Im just a puppet at this point: Limbo vs Grimmon

[PaChi2]

Material Limbo and 2-A Grimmo

Joke. Tier 8 Grimmon.

SBA

Speed equal.




Grimmom

 

[Firephoenixearl]

"Material Limbo"

You always forget that.

 

[PaChi2]

Done

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Does Grimmon do anything to mindless puppets?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

He has mindhaxed Dark Area Digimon before. There is also the fact that being a robot likely won't save you from a Digimon we've seen Machine Digimon being mind controlled before. And also the fact that robots do have consciousness and this mind data.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Not exactly a robot, literally a meat puppet. As in just useless blobs of meat that are only capable of moving and fighting because The Operator has the "strings of the puppets". I mean they are actually incapable of thinking or acting on their own and stuff.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

The Operator is the last thing I expected a Warframe character to look like...

Anyway, any defense for juat getting erased?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

xD Yes they are actual children (i know there is a girl in the pic but they have different genders)...to think children who have been abbandoned by their parents are actually going around eradicating entire civilisations and mass murdering armies...warframe is a lot darker when you think of it this way.

What does that mean?

On a side note: Dark area digimon have a non-existent mind no? I don't think that's the same as mindless. I mean since 1 is capable of thinking while 1 is not. (I think they are different at least).

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

It means getting completely erased.


Chrono DSR (Chrono Destruction): A power inherited directly from Chronomo. Degrades and destroys any data in the Digital World. This means that this attack not only destroys all matter but minds and souls.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Oh.

Well the soul and mind are pretty useless due to the warframes lacking that, but the body should work. So my question now is:

How likely is he to go for that?

And is that capable of taking care of their type 9?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Grimmon starts with either Chrono DSR or Mind hax. If he see Mind hax doesn't work, then Chrono DSR it is.

Depends on how the Type 9 works.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Idk, he may be banished by the time he tries to go for DSR.

Well it's basically. Since the true selfe is The Operator and the warframes are just meat puppets, even if 1 warframe is destroyed (besides reviving), the operator can just create another warframe.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Chrono DSR isn't a slow attack and he doesn't have to move to use it. Not to mention it will spread the its virus around. Also just to note, Grimmon can teleport and cross dimensions.

It is only a matter of time before Grimmon figure this out. There is really nothing more that can happen due to Grimmon not going to let up on Chrono DSR. The Chrono Core is no fool. There is also the fact that if Grimmon is defeated, the Chrono Core can just take and fuse into one of Limbo's and steal control. Or even so much as locate the operator.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Once it's inside the banish it's mostly game over rly since range and stasis can stop any attempt to get out of it. Also Limbo can just kill him inside banish (durability negating effects and Banish damages and causes knockback).

Well true that, if he finds the operator (just for reference, the operator is located in a spaceship that flies across the galaxy), type 9 mostly gives the warframes tactical advantage and/or stalls (since the next limbo will be fully prepared and in hiding. How can Chrono DSR take control of Limbo doe? I mean since he lacks mind and soul.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

How large is it seeing as Grimmon can cross servers in which are infinite universes. And if Stasis is like Time Stop it won't work. Also Chrono DSR is more of an Information Based virus than anything.

Because, he fuses with it. It is Possession.

Also, I just realized that this guy is High 6-A...fighting Mystic Energy Grimmon....and the opponent has no mind and has basically endless versions of it with a tactical advantage.....

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Well it's basically described as a dimensional rip. He will still be present though in another dimension, i'll give you a pic so you can see. Grimmon would need to understand he's in another plane of existence to teleport (that's how the Rift is called btw, a different plane of existence), but Stasis is the main problem, since it won't let him do anything. Here is a banished enemy btw, as you can see he's still "present" in a sense, though he is not in the same plane of existence.

Yeah, that's what i mean. Most possessions use souls or minds as a medium (possess the soul or the mind), both of which Limbo lacks. Can you elaborate a bit more on the possession?

That tier gun get removed. Gonna be replace with something along the lines of tier 9 or 8 and at best 7. But against 2-A mind hax, AP is irrelevant. And about the damage Warframes have about 3 billion ways to ignore durability. So since it doesn't make much difference i decided this should be ok.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well, like I said the Chrono Core is fused within Grimmon. The only reason Grimmon has Chrono DSR is due to the Chrono Core which is the left behind Chrono Data from Chronomon.

Well the question is of 2-A Mindhax works on 3-D Mindless beings.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Chrono Core controls Grimmon? Also is there like no medium to this possession? I mean what does it use to possess (most possessions use soul). Where can i find more context on this possession?

I don't think so tbh. I think Mind hax would have to have feats of doing that as it's not potency that's the problem here, but the mechanics. As in does that mind hax work on actually mindless people. IIRC the Potency > Mindless is only if it is said by a character. So if someone tries to mind hax someone then percieves him as mindless for example Misogi Kumagawa then a more potent mind hax would work on him, though i don't think that applies to actually mindless beings, who lack a mind to do anything.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I think we need some more admin opinions on the mind hax vs mindless case.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Like I said it is a fusion type situation. Basically he becomes one with Grimmon, yet is in complete control of his powers and actions. Like I said, Chrono Core is a living Virus. There is never mentioned to be a medium here, just a fusion.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I think we need some more admin opinions on the mind hax vs mindless case.

Message Kaltias.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

.....Now I want Phazon vs Chrono Data...

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Like I said it is a fusion type situation. Basically he becomes one with Grimmon, yet is in complete control of his powers and actions. Like I said, Chrono Core is a living Virus. There is never mentioned to be a medium here, just a fusion.

Oh so it's basically some reverse-nonreverse Absorption kind of thing. So they essentially become the same entity. Ok i get it. I didn't know Grimmon was controled by Chrono Core. That's interesting.

I msg-ed Kal btw.

1 more question, do our standards allow digital viruses like Chrono or X.A.N.A to take control over human bodies? (In a case where they haven't shown feats of doing so i mean)

 

[Schnee_One]

Way I see it

If he resists=Stomp via everything

If he doesn't=Grimmon thinks

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Sadly we know nothing much about Grimmon the Digimon other than he's a Devil Dragon...

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Way I see it
If he resists=Stomp via everything

If he doesn't=Grimmon thinks

I don't think that's necessarily the case. I mean The Operator is vulnerable to 2-A mind hax. It's just a case of reaching him. If he's down, the warframes will be easy job.

Does that qualify as a stomp?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Fire

Dunno about XANA, but in Digimon, anything that can effect Digital beings can effect normal beings as even things in the real world are nothing but data for a Digimon to interact with. This os shown multiple times in verse.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

1 more question, do our standards allow digital viruses like Chrono or X.A.N.A to take control of human bodies? (In a case where they haven't shown feats of doing so i mean)

@Dragon ^^^

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Fire

Dunno about XANA, but in Digimon, anything that can effect Digital beings can effect normal beings as even things in the real world are nothing but data for a Digimon to interact with. This os shown multiple times in verse.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

@Fire
Dunno about XANA, but in Digimon, anything that can effect Digital beings can effect normal beings as even things in the real world are nothing but data for a Digimon to interact with. This os shown multiple times in verse.

Oh so it's a verse equalization type of thing? Ok

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I dunno if it's verse equalization compared to Digimon showing that its Data Mechanics works on non Digital beings. XANA I couldn't answer you.

 

[Kaltias]

It looks kinda like this.

>Operator controls Limbo

>Grimmon uses M I N D H A X and takes control of Limbo

>Operator (Probably) starts using another body puppet with Limbo being more or less turned off

>Repeat the above I guess

Btw X.A.N.A is kind of a bad example, it can control people and machines alike

 

[Firephoenixearl]

1 more thing. Wouldn't cases where Grimmon dies but Chrono take over still be a loss for Grimmon? Since his opponent is still ok, or inconclusive if chrono counts as incap.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

No, it still counts as Grimmon as this isn't Grimmon the Digimon but moreso Grimmon the Host to Chrono Core.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Well, that's pretty convinient.

I love how this is a total stalemate untill we get more input on mind hax vs mindless.


Waiting for input

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Btw, on the mindless topic. Just to mention, Warframes actually don't have thinking processes, they don't think or act on their own. Mind haxing a warframe would be like mind haxing an object or a weapon.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Bump

 

[PaChi2]

Bump

Create a discussion thread over the mindhax thingy.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

The CRT about that has already concluded. And warframes are mindless, they are controled through energy from a dude far away, they themselves do not possess a mind.

 

[PaChi2]

The CRT about that has already concluded. And warframes are mindless, they are controled through energy from a dude far away, they themselves do not possess a mind.

I meant mindless vs mindhax.