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Ichigo Kurosaki vs March 7th (14-13-3)

Hellscream said:
She doesn't have passive ice aura on her profile.

Either way, ichigo's aura is more than enough to **** with her combat capabilities so whether she can hit ichigo or not is questionable, since ichigo has a speed advantage by being able to use shunpo / sonido etc.
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Oh yeah I remember you mention that soul crush can effect the physical body. Could you show me an example about that?
 
Quick note that Shar122 change of vote wasn't counted:
Shar122 said:
Screw it, I'm changing my vote to March, she can freeze Ichigo with her aura + 1-A shenanigans on top of that 🗿💥
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And I think Aernasilver votes Match here:
Aernasilver said:
March because she is getting a 5 star version.
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So I think it should be 14-14-1, if both of them confirms their votes.

Btw, I want to ask something about this supposed AP Aura. Is there any evidence that it is of a comparable AP than himself? Because if it is shown to only affect normal people or notably weaker character than it wouldn't really be that relevant in this match (even if at the moment isn't being considered that much anyways). If it kills a random guy than it would just mean the Aura is >10-B or whatever, and if it kills a 5-B than it just means it is >5-B. It doesn't mean that it is the same AP as him, nor that it would affect characters comparable or stronger than him. Like, does Ichigo "AP Aura" affect other character comparable to himself? Does this AP Aura have any effect in battles between comparable characters or characters that are just a little weaker than the other?
In this case, March is more than twice stronger than Ichigo in base. Does this AP Aura have any evidence of actually affecting in any significant way stronger individuals? Doesn't change that much to the result of the fight itself for me, so I am indifferent, but it is something that should be clarified for the match if it is used as an argument in Ichigo's favor.
 
ThanatosX said:
Quick note that Shar122 change of vote wasn't counted:

And I think Aernasilver votes Match here:
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None of those votes have valid reasons. All they need to say is fra

ThanatosX said:
Btw, I want to ask something about this supposed AP Aura. Is there any evidence that it is of a comparable AP than himself? Because if it is shown to only affect normal people or notably weaker character than it wouldn't really be that relevant in this match (even if at the moment isn't being considered that much anyways). If it kills a random guy than it would just mean the Aura is >10-B or whatever, and if it kills a 5-B than it just means it is >5-B. It doesn't mean that it is the same AP as him, nor that it would affect characters comparable or stronger than him. Like, does Ichigo "AP Aura" affect other character comparable to himself? Does this AP Aura have any effect in battles between comparable characters or characters that are just a little weaker than the other?
In this case, March is more than twice stronger than Ichigo in base. Does this AP Aura have any evidence of actually affecting in any significant way stronger individuals? Doesn't change that much to the result of the fight itself for me, so I am indifferent, but it is something that should be clarified for the match if it is used as an argument in Ichigo's favor.
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Frankly, the soul crush is not even the main argument. The actual argument is he goes sonído and getsuga and one shots.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Frankly, the soul crush is not even the main argument. The actual argument is he goes sonído and getsuga and one shots.
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Yeah, and I can get behind those arguments, I can see this go both ways. But Hellscream specifically use that as part of his justification as to why Ichigo wins:
Hellscream said:
Either way, ichigo's aura is more than enough to **** with her combat capabilities so whether she can hit ichigo or not is questionable, since ichigo has a speed advantage by being able to use shunpo / sonido etc.
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Which is my main problem. From what I have seen, the Soul Crush having AP elements among other things is already questionable, but it severely affecting another comparable character seems to be an assumption based on that I know of the characters.
I just want to clarify this because it look really iffy to me, since otherwise when two Bleach character fight they would constantly crush each other with their AP and characters with notable AP difference would just passively crush the opponent. And I am also asking in case of another match with Honkai characters is made, since there were some discussions about it that I saw in the HSR discussion thread (just don't use Welt, Acheron or other really haxed characters and some good matchups can be done I think). Votes for Ichigo in general are fine as I said, there is an argument to be made for both winning.
 
KingogKings777 said:
How does that get past Marchs Shields?
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"Blocks damage up to a certain amount"
Voidnether said:


Oh yeah, she could give it to herself too by the way. Assuming defense here equals to durability, the only way is to probably have a better AP than March or through hax.
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And here gets cited how much

Getsuga is fairly higher than Ichigo's AP, so her x2 advantage gets nullified, which would bypass the shield
 
ThanatosX said:
Yeah, and I can get behind those arguments, I can see this go both ways. But Hellscream specifically use that as part of his justification as to why Ichigo wins:

Which is my main problem. From what I have seen, the Soul Crush having AP elements among other things is already questionable, but it severely affecting another comparable character seems to be an assumption based on that I know of the characters.
I just want to clarify this because it look really iffy to me, since otherwise when two Bleach character fight they would constantly crush each other with their AP and characters with notable AP difference would just passively crush the opponent. And I am also asking in case of another match with Honkai characters is made, since there were some discussions about it that I saw in the HSR discussion thread (just don't use Welt, Acheron or other really haxed characters and some good matchups can be done I think). Votes for Ichigo in general are fine as I said, there is an argument to be made for both winning.
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Yh, that's what happens in bleach they can control the output of their reiatsu as well, so they don't end up crushing their allies.
The severity of it depends on the difference in reiatsu quantity, which can also be controlled. Like when yamamoto crushed nanao just to scare her off, or Aizen crushing grimmjow.
Or Ichigo not crushing his own allies.

That's also something i explained earlier, bleach characters resist each other's Reiatsu crush, by inherently possessing reiatsu as well, it's basically a passive aura vs a passive aura, both of which cancel each other out unless if the other characters aura is significantly stronger.
March does not have reiatsu, and therefore does not resist / is unable to counteract it so this does not apply to her.
 
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Why would Reiatsu crush even work on March? Her AP is higher until Ichigo uses GT, and she has resistance to soul manip, mind manip and information manip.
 
KingogKings777 said:
Why would Reiatsu crush even work on March? Her AP is higher until Ichigo uses GT, and she has resistance to soul manip, mind manip and information manip.
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So just because a being has double the AP of a character's passive aura, she'd be unaffected by the constant pressure of half her AP?

You don't just magically "resist" an aura just because it's half ur AP lol
Unless if it's significantly weaker, which it's not
 
Hellscream said:
So just because a being has double the AP of a character's passive aura, she'd be unaffected by the constant pressure of half her AP?
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Are you saying that half the ap would prevent March from freezing him and counter her passive probability manipulation?
 
her "passive" pobability manipulation shouldn't even give anything with what i've seen on her profile lol

Pretty much a non-factor in this fight
 
Hellscream said:
Yh, that's what happens in bleach they can control the output of their reiatsu as well, so they don't end up crushing their allies.
The severity of it depends on the difference in reiatsu quantity, which can also be controlled. Like when yamamoto crushed nanao just to scare her off, or Aizen crushing grimmjow.
Or Ichigo not crushing his own allies.

That's also something i explained earlier, bleach characters resist each other's Reiatsu crush, by inherently possessing reiatsu as well, it's basically a passive aura vs a passive aura, both of which cancel each other out unless if the other characters aura is significantly stronger.
March does not have reiatsu, and therefore does not resist / is unable to counteract it so this does not apply to her.
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All that you explained doesn't really seems AP related, though, but rather a consequence of their Soul Manipulation and their Soul Crush. If a character can resists it, nullify it with their own Aura or is unaffected by having a reiatsu than that's not really an AP thing, but rather a hax thing. It is impossible to "resist" an AP based attack or Aura, unless you use Power Null or something of the sort. Everything you said just look like a side effect of Soul Crush rather than a projection of their own AP. And again, even if we go by this interpretation, I fail to see how that would prove that this aura is comparable to their own AP and that it would greatly affect her. It is still really iffy to me, but given that at the moment it isn't something in the profile (and that I want to go to sleep) I will not continue with this debate to avoid going off-topic.
 
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ThanatosX said:
All that you explained doesn't really seems AP related, though, but rather a consequence of their Soul Manipulation and their Soul Crush. If a character can resists it, nullify it with their own Aura or is unaffected by having a reiatsu than that's not really an AP thing, but rather a hax thing. It is impossible to "resist" an AP based attack or Aura, unless you use Power Null or something of the sort. Everything you said just look like a side effect of Soul Crush rather than a projection of their own AP. And again, even if we go by this interpretation, I fail to see how that would prove that this aura is comparable to their own AP and that it would greatly affect her. It is still really iffy to me, but given that at the moment it isn't something in the profile (and that I want to go to sleep) I will not continue with this debate to avoid going off-topic.
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Because their aura affects physical, as well as incorporeal beings?
Including physical inanimate objects

Also yes, their reiatsu scales to their AP it's literally the source of their power
 
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All that wank just to still only debatably beat Ichigo is lowkey embarrassing.

Anyway, voting inconclusive. Sounds like whoever one-shots first, with a side of "passive aura gg"
 
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