Higher dimensional characters

[Aurasuke]

I was wondering what type of feats would one need to have to be considered Hyperversal or hyperversal+. They claim to be higher dimensional characters but someone like Demonbane looks just like a three dimensional one. I know fiction doesn't really take into account actual dimensions the same way as they do in real life which is why I'm asking.

For example would they be higher dimension just because the author says he's infinite dimensions? Do they even understand the concept of 11 dimensions designated by string theory let alone infinite dimensions?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

You mean "look" as in actual appearence? Like, I don't know of ANY characters that looks like more than 3 dimensions. Usually, we go by WoG, statement or otherwise. Also, usually we take the term "dimension" as the scientific one, unless it is clearly not that (AKA when it is used to describes universes).

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

If a character is stated to exist in a certain number of dimensions (for instance, 11), it is not about what they must do to prove this, but what can happen in order to disprove this.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Technically speaking, it's impossible to actually "look" like you exist in more than 3 dimensions, as it is impossible for us to percieve them in an actual manner, and what they would look like would vary from author-to-author.

 

[Aurasuke]

in other words the author doesn't have to state what's beyond 11 dimensions which consists of all possibilities, all the different starting points of the universe different from our big bang, all possible laws not just those of gravity, electromagnetic forces or the speed of light, and all concepts of existence and non existence, he simply has to state a character exists in infinite dimensions without realy having to understand the magnitude of such a statement and it automatically becomes true, even if the characters feats have only been shown to affect 11 dimensions at most despite the claim of a higher dimension?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

in other words the author doesn't have to state what's beyond 11 dimensions which consists of all possibilities, all the different starting points of the universe different from our big bang, all possible laws not just those of gravity, electromagnetic forces or the speed of light, and all concepts of existence and non existence, he simply has to state a character exists in infinite dimensions without realy having to understand the magnitude of such a statement and it automatically becomes true, even if the characters feats have only been shown to affect 11 dimensions at most despite the claim of a higher dimension?

Not that, either. If a character is claimed to exist in infinite dimensions, the concept of dimensions must be shown to be understood, as well as having nothing suggesting otherwise or throwing this statement into question. If that's the case, the character itself really has no need to do very much.

 

[Aurasuke]

I noticed that the dimensions here refer to 4 dimensions as time, but 4 dimensions could also refer to a spatial dimension or a Tesseract.

I can understand an infinite dimension if they were refering to a spatial dimension, but a space time dimension or a dimension as donated by string theory stops a 11 dimensions at most because humans can literally not imagine anything larger (and scientifically accurate).

When we refer to 16 dimensions are refering to space time dimensions from string theory or simply spatial dimensions like in vector calculus?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

As far as I know, time as a dimension functions the same way, as all it does is add an extra set of coordinates, which are all the idea of dimensions really are.

Space and time are heavily linked, and something infinite dimensional would likely be just that: something that would require an infinite number of coordinates to locate a single point in.

It really shouldn't change anything. I'd suggest checking out some stuff about Bosonic String Theory and perhaps infinite dimensional Hilbert Space.

 

[Aurasuke]

Well extra spatial dimensions simply mean extra degrees of freedom. The reality warping thing is just included because most authors don't really know how much that extra degree of freedom applies.

Then how about demonbane characters that exists outside dimensions? They seem 3 dimensional when they battle even though they tier 1-A or higher.

Is it because they are stated simply to be beyond dimensions that we give then tier 1-A status?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Quite a lot, as most reality warping of that level wouldn't really even be reality warping. Just something we couldn't fully understand. For instance, a being of four dimensions could move freely forward and backward in time, which to us would seem like reality warping/magic/etc.

How we view things aren't always how they truly are.

For instance, the Cthulhu Mythos' "multiverse" is composed of infinite realities that are all part of an infinite dimensional structure. Many, many beings exist beyond said structure and other structures outside of it, viewing it merely as fiction/a game to be played, thus meeting the requirements for tier 1-A. Similarly, in Demonbane, there are characters who exist beyond infinite dimensional structures, making them tier 1-A.

 

[Aurasuke]

I see, so even though they look like 3-D beings, they are actually beyond dimensional ones.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

They only look like 3-D beings to us, because we ourselves are 3-D.

For instance, Yog-Sothoth appears to 3-D beings like Carter as a mass of glowing spheres. However, it appears vastly differently to all other beings depending on how many dimensions they encompass, because everything, regardless of size, is just viewing a small portion of Yog from a different perspective.

 

[Aurasuke]

Hmm, true but that's just for Yog though, but there's no arguging that demonbane looks like a massive robot with super reality warping powers lol

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Obvious reason for that.

Robots are f%&#ing cool. lol

 

[Promestein]

Hmm, true but that's just for Yog though, but there's no arguging that demonbane looks like a massive robot with super reality warping powers lol

That would be because 'sensible, readable character design' comes above 'depicting hypothetical beyond-dimensional beings accurately' in storytelling.

 

[Aurasuke]

lol someone said that Demonbane was like Chuthulu Mythos combined with gurren laggan.

I kind of wish the people who made Gurren Laggan were actually directing Demonbane though, they seem to know how to make a better plot according to the ratings.

Demonbane wasn't bad, it just didn't have the same kind of spirit as gurren laggan in a way.

 

[Aurasuke]

Hmm, true but that's just for Yog though, but there's no arguging that demonbane looks like a massive robot with super reality warping powers lol

That would be because 'sensible, readable character design' comes above 'depicting hypothetical beyond-dimensional beings accurately' in storytelling.

lol agreed