Hax average to be a very good tier 2

[Kirby71]

Say Hax required to be very respected in tier 2,go:

Low 2-C:

2-C:

2-B:

2-A:

High 2-A:

 

[Mand21]

Pseudo-omnipotence (high level RW) over your tier's scale.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So just found this...I love how Digimon and SMT are the topics of a Tier 2 hax thread.

 

[Theglassman12]

>>Hax to be respected in tier 2

You need all of the hax.

 

[DMB_1]

You need at last decent Rality Warping, or to be as versatile as ****. That would make you at leat decent.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Good regen, immortality, the ability to interact with abstracts/non-corporeals, reality warping, probably some resistances, oh and immeasurable speed for pesky time freezers.

Remind me again why Lavos has such good acausuality?

 

[Mand21]

Are there levels of acausality?

 

[Kaltias]

There are.

Lavos has parallel timeline clones (he has a lot more stuff going for it, but the dupes are the only thing that isn't common at tier 2)

 

[Lightbuster30]

There are.

Lavos has parallel timeline clones (he has a lot more stuff going for it, but the dupes are the only thing that isn't common at tier 2)

So he's acausual because it would only make a path to an alternate future? That is: Because there are infinite versions of universe existing in the past, present, future, and thus when you alter the past it won't override the future, but diverge you to a new, yet pre-existing future? Leaving OG timeline intact?

That doesn't sound very impressive as far as acausallity goes. Seriously. I've heard people say that Lavos is to acausuals what they are to causuals. They've said his AC is crazy, but I'm not sure how that would warrants a higher "tier" of AC.

 

[Mand21]

Seriously. I've heard people say that Lavos is to acausuals what they are to causuals. They've said his AC is crazy.

wtf how would that even actually look like

 

[Kaltias]

No, actually he is acausal due to this

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FateAlbane/Lavos_and_Time_Travel..._Or_"How_I_should_Time_Travel_and_make_this_blog_post_in_the_past"

The thing complicated to get around is that you need to get rid of him from all the parallel timelines / all points in time, otherwise another Lavos opens a portal and continues the fight.

Ironically Lavos' acausality becomes comparatively weaker with the new forms.

Asking a 2-A being to do stuff on a corresponding scale? Reasonable.

Asking it to a 5-A? Unless it's from Warhammer, no

Edit: Dammit wikia messed up the link. Just copy paste it directly instead of clicking on it

 

[Mand21]

Err, so his "acausality" is having the power to...

1. Warp through timelines 2. Understand what's going on in each timeline 3.Remain sort of the same person for all intents and purposes, between timelines?

...is this even actually acausality? >.>

 

[Akreious]

Law Manipulation.

Make it law that you literally cannot lose. GG.

Well most characters don't do this with law Manip. but hey, it's an option.

 

[Phoenix821]

I believe Lavos has an entire blog about his Acausality.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...e_Travel_and_make_this_blog_post_in_the_past"

 

[The_Everlasting]

I still don't believe it's actually Acausality.

An ability yes but how does it relate to lacking causality.

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, it's basically just abusing the "you can't kill me now via killing me in a different point in time" side of acausality, then combining it with a bunch of time travel to get dupes

 

[Lightbuster30]

No, actually he is acausal due to this

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FateAlbane/Lavos_and_Time_Travel..._Or_"How_I_should_Time_Travel_and_make_this_blog_post_in_the_past"

Can't really see it, getting an error. Still don't see whats so impressive about it. I get that the guy is acausual, I just don't see what makes it so special compared to other people with the same ability.

 

[Kaltias]

Check Phoneix's link, that one works

 

[Mand21]

But if several timelines exist, then any normal human can say "you can't kill me now via killing me in a different point in time". Doesn't make them acausal at all.

For f*ck's sake, Rintarou Okabe can.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Why aren't you discussing this in a CRT?

 

[Kaltias]

My dude you can bet that if you shot me in the head with a pistol, that wouldn't lead to my past self realizing that and time traveling to prevent it

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

My dude you can bet that if you shot me in the head with a pistol, that wouldn't lead to my past self realizing that and time traveling to prevent it

Not with that attitude.

 

[Kaltias]

Was it aggressive? Sorry. It wasn't meant to be

It's pretty much what Lavos does though

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Was it aggressive?

No it wasn't. "Not with that attitude" = "That's quitter talk".

 

[Kaltias]

Law Manipulation.

Make it law that you literally cannot lose. GG.

Well most characters don't do this with law Manip. but hey, it's an option.

Tbf I know people who can make laws saying "you aren't allowed to exist" so it isn't that different

 

[Mand21]

All I'm seeing here is Lavos having such an advanced version of Reading Steiner that it borders on timelessness due to being able to understand whatever happens to any version in any point of time. Is this really acausality, rather than atemporality and, eh, portal manipulation with multiversal range?

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, I suppose that you could call it atemporality if you mean "not influenced by changes in the timeline", but not being influenced by the timeline changing is acausality

 

[Mand21]

He is, though. Another version replaces him, though

His consciousness basically doesn't care about time and he can sense all points in all timelines, so long as he exists there, I guess.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Some way to bypass durability, and a way to attack non corporeals or abstract beings. You need either reality warping, or a counter to it in some way. Some at least basic defensive hax, and a way to counter time stop such as immeasurable speed.

 

[Mand21]

Some way to bypass durability, and a way to attack non corporeals or abstract beings. You need either reality warping, or a counter to it in some way. Some at least basic defensive hax, and a way to counter time stop such as immeasurable speed.

Since Tier 2 often involves timelines, then one should also have a good counter to time manipulation in general, don't you think?

So, say, acausality or atemporality.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

How about we get the obvious answer. Be a Digimon, Saint Seiya or SMT character.

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, resisting timelines shenanigans is more the "git gud" part than "hax needed to be impressive by tier 2 standards"

 

[RKGenki]

Strong enough hax and resistances to not care about AP differences I'm looking at you, UKG. Also a strong enough erasure to bypass Mid-Godly

 

[Mand21]

I kinda thought Lapitus was basically giving the, uh, "Decent Tier 2 Character Starter Pack".

 

[Lightbuster30]

Since Tier 2 often involves timelines, then one should also have a good counter to time manipulation in general, don't you think?

So, say, acausality or atemporality.

Is there any way to transcend or be unbound by the time and space of an infinite multiverse to get immeasurable speed without becoming High 2-A? Being detatched from it yet not existing in a higher dimension?

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, you don't need to transcend the space-time of an entire multiverse to be immeasurable.

Being detached from it but no higher dimensions? I suppose that you could exist in a higher plane of existence above it, while you still aren't infinitely beyond it

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Care more about power than story. Fite me.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I think you mean care more about story than p o w a h!

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

What Dragon said: Goddamit Cal not this again...

What Cal got from that: Holy shit, Matt was right. Just responding to threads doesn't make you follow them anymore.

 

[Kaltias]

Care more about power than story. Fite me.

Nah you only need to have the patience to look for obscure untranslated stuff have you seen what this did for Madoka ovo