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Introduction:
Simply put, I believe, with the evidence we are given, Gremmy shouldn’t have Nonexistence Erasure. I originally planned on including this in my previous ability removal thread, but I decided against it, given how controversial the ability is, and what the replacement ability would entail.
Argumentation - Gremmy’s Nonexistence Erasure:
To address why I disagree with the ability ascribed, I’ll need to lay some groundwork: In the given feats, we see Gremmy destroy a careening block of concrete blasted off by Kenpachi, and the next one is Gremmy eliminating Guenael Lee. Specifically, with the Lee example, it’s stated by Gremmy that “I’m sorry. I don’t know who you are, but I can’t imagine your future anymore.” It’s assumed from here that when he’s saying he can’t “imagine your future anymore” he’s erasing Lee from existence, and the prior mentioned concrete block event is used to further support this interpretation as when Gremmy destroys the object, it seemingly leaves behind nothing at all.
Now, I believe it’s pretty easy to point out the fact that Gremmy stating he can’t “imagine your future anymore” is incredibly weak evidence for Existence Erasure, much less Nonexistence Erasure. It’s especially so when the proceeding panel shows Lee being exploded, and having his internals spewed around the environment. If his existence was truly erased, there wouldn’t be any remaining, biological, evidence of his existence, as the nature of Existence Erasure is to erase you from existence. It’s completely illogical to assert so.
As for the concrete block flying towards him, we see fragmented pieces, indicating it wasn’t erased but rather forcefully destroyed. It’s also something created by his power, and as we clearly see throughout the fight, he can destroy his creations whenever he desires.
Personally, I believe these are just instances of Durability Negation / Self-Destruction on the part of Gremmy, which is something he has already shown to do with his clones, which are derived from his ability to create life, so I don’t know why we wouldn’t assume it would extend to his separate creations, like Lee or that concrete block, as well.
So, with this addressed, I believe we should remove the ability outright until further evidence is provided, that implies he’s actually erasing things and not just destroying them by other means.
Argumentation - Non-Physical Interaction:
However, I still believe there is an ability to gain from the Lee feat. See, as hypothesized by Kenpachi, and later confirmed by Gremmy, he must still continually think about his creations in order to sustain them, as if he doesn’t, they’ll be deactivated / dematerialized. This is important to remember as Lee still retained his sentience even after erasing himself from existence, which could only happen if Gremmy was still sustaining him through that process. This indicates that Gremmy’s Imagination can interact with Nonexistent entities, as his imagination must’ve still sustained Lee’s sentience to keep him “alive” during his erasure, as when he stopped retaining that imagination Lee was killed, completely.
We also have additional evidence that Lee was still beholden to Gremmy’s Imagination as stated in “Beginning of the revive of Tomorrow” Lee was just a mere imaginary product formed who was still under the control of Gremmy. More importantly, it’s described that Shaz reforming himself into a physical form “turned himself into a reality.” This usage of “reality” is important to remember as its stated constructions made into reality don’t require anything from Gremmy to continually sustain them, while objects still imaginary are contingent on Gremmy’s continued imagination as delineated previously. Lee is still an imaginary product, so he is still contingent on Gremmy. This is further evidenced when Gremmy stated he couldn’t continue “imagine your future anymore” to Lee, it subsequently caused him to die.
We have a preponderance of evidence that Lee, even while erased, is still being kept “sentient” and “alive” by Gremmy’s Imagination. Necessitating the conclusion Gremmy’s Imagination can manipulate / interact with structures at this degree of nonexistence.
Conclusion:
So, with everything laid out above, I believe we should remove Nonexistence Erasure from Gremmy’s profile and instead replace it with Non-Physical Interaction.
Voting:
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Simply put, I believe, with the evidence we are given, Gremmy shouldn’t have Nonexistence Erasure. I originally planned on including this in my previous ability removal thread, but I decided against it, given how controversial the ability is, and what the replacement ability would entail.
Argumentation - Gremmy’s Nonexistence Erasure:
To address why I disagree with the ability ascribed, I’ll need to lay some groundwork: In the given feats, we see Gremmy destroy a careening block of concrete blasted off by Kenpachi, and the next one is Gremmy eliminating Guenael Lee. Specifically, with the Lee example, it’s stated by Gremmy that “I’m sorry. I don’t know who you are, but I can’t imagine your future anymore.” It’s assumed from here that when he’s saying he can’t “imagine your future anymore” he’s erasing Lee from existence, and the prior mentioned concrete block event is used to further support this interpretation as when Gremmy destroys the object, it seemingly leaves behind nothing at all.
Now, I believe it’s pretty easy to point out the fact that Gremmy stating he can’t “imagine your future anymore” is incredibly weak evidence for Existence Erasure, much less Nonexistence Erasure. It’s especially so when the proceeding panel shows Lee being exploded, and having his internals spewed around the environment. If his existence was truly erased, there wouldn’t be any remaining, biological, evidence of his existence, as the nature of Existence Erasure is to erase you from existence. It’s completely illogical to assert so.
As for the concrete block flying towards him, we see fragmented pieces, indicating it wasn’t erased but rather forcefully destroyed. It’s also something created by his power, and as we clearly see throughout the fight, he can destroy his creations whenever he desires.
Personally, I believe these are just instances of Durability Negation / Self-Destruction on the part of Gremmy, which is something he has already shown to do with his clones, which are derived from his ability to create life, so I don’t know why we wouldn’t assume it would extend to his separate creations, like Lee or that concrete block, as well.
So, with this addressed, I believe we should remove the ability outright until further evidence is provided, that implies he’s actually erasing things and not just destroying them by other means.
Argumentation - Non-Physical Interaction:
However, I still believe there is an ability to gain from the Lee feat. See, as hypothesized by Kenpachi, and later confirmed by Gremmy, he must still continually think about his creations in order to sustain them, as if he doesn’t, they’ll be deactivated / dematerialized. This is important to remember as Lee still retained his sentience even after erasing himself from existence, which could only happen if Gremmy was still sustaining him through that process. This indicates that Gremmy’s Imagination can interact with Nonexistent entities, as his imagination must’ve still sustained Lee’s sentience to keep him “alive” during his erasure, as when he stopped retaining that imagination Lee was killed, completely.
We also have additional evidence that Lee was still beholden to Gremmy’s Imagination as stated in “Beginning of the revive of Tomorrow” Lee was just a mere imaginary product formed who was still under the control of Gremmy. More importantly, it’s described that Shaz reforming himself into a physical form “turned himself into a reality.” This usage of “reality” is important to remember as its stated constructions made into reality don’t require anything from Gremmy to continually sustain them, while objects still imaginary are contingent on Gremmy’s continued imagination as delineated previously. Lee is still an imaginary product, so he is still contingent on Gremmy. This is further evidenced when Gremmy stated he couldn’t continue “imagine your future anymore” to Lee, it subsequently caused him to die.
We have a preponderance of evidence that Lee, even while erased, is still being kept “sentient” and “alive” by Gremmy’s Imagination. Necessitating the conclusion Gremmy’s Imagination can manipulate / interact with structures at this degree of nonexistence.
Conclusion:
So, with everything laid out above, I believe we should remove Nonexistence Erasure from Gremmy’s profile and instead replace it with Non-Physical Interaction.
Voting:
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