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Edit: Gaia's Heart is already accepted as a Concept (here). This thread's purpose is to establish it as a type 1, instead.
It is shown here that Gaia is unaffected by the destruction of the earth, Mujin even uses her heart for healing purposes later on.
As Gaia is the heart of the world, if her core is altered, the Earth itself starts changing.
According to the CM page:
In conclusion, I want to suggest Gaia as an independent concept in GOH verse.
The ability description would be something like this (sorry, too lazy to write a new one. Have to deal with a copy-paste one):
This would also affect Mori's Abstract Existence as he is one with everything, including earth. This would give his AE a type one rating.
Agree: Hellformer
Disagree: Grabbing_dragon, Yeolban, DavidTPPM
Neutral:
Massive Edit: Since many people believe that the absorption feat pushes away any efforts of putting Gaia as an independent concept, here are my counterarguments to their counterarguments:
Supporting Gaia as a Type 1 Concept in the Absorption Scenario:
1. Gaia’s Independence from the Original Earth’s Existence
4. Implications of Using Gaia’s Core in the New Earth
It is shown here that Gaia is unaffected by the destruction of the earth, Mujin even uses her heart for healing purposes later on.
As Gaia is the heart of the world, if her core is altered, the Earth itself starts changing.
According to the CM page:
Type 1 Concepts are entirely independent of the object/area they govern. And the scans I have provided above shows that Gaia is completely unaffected by the Earth's destruction.
In conclusion, I want to suggest Gaia as an independent concept in GOH verse.
The ability description would be something like this (sorry, too lazy to write a new one. Have to deal with a copy-paste one):
Law Manipulation and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; Comparable to Mujin who can manipulate Gaia's core element which is the heart of the world itself and the earth had started dying when Gaia's heart was taken by Mujin, and any changes to her core can affect the whole world. But even after the destruction of earth and its reformation, Gaia's heart wasn't shown affected and even later shown to be used by Mujin to heal himself. Mandeok Sang stated that the laws of the world were created by the Supreme God, and that the world belonged to the Supreme God. Ohkwang even states that the Supreme God can revive the dead)
This would also affect Mori's Abstract Existence as he is one with everything, including earth. This would give his AE a type one rating.
Agree: Hellformer
Disagree: Grabbing_dragon, Yeolban, DavidTPPM
Neutral:
Massive Edit: Since many people believe that the absorption feat pushes away any efforts of putting Gaia as an independent concept, here are my counterarguments to their counterarguments:
Supporting Gaia as a Type 1 Concept in the Absorption Scenario:
1. Gaia’s Independence from the Original Earth’s Existence
- The absorption of the old Earth into a new one would imply that while the original Earth as a physical entity may be transformed or merged, Gaia herself remains unaffected. This aligns with the definition of Type 1 Concepts, which are independent of the objects they govern
- If Gaia is truly a Type 1 Concept, then the restructuring or merging of Earth into a new form would not alter Gaia’s fundamental nature or existence. The fact that Gaia can persist through such a transformation reinforces her independence from the physical form of the Earth she governs.
- When the old Earth was absorbed into a new Earth, Gaia’s influence as the “heart of the world” extended to the new Earth without any fundamental change in her nature. This demonstrated that Gaia is not bound to a single, specific version of Earth but rather embodies the concept of a planet’s life force.
- This continuity of influence despite the Earth’s transformation supports the notion that Gaia governs the conceptual essence of what it means to be a world, rather than being tied to a specific planet’s physical structure.
- The transformation or absorption of one Earth into another implies a change in the physical and structural aspects of a planet but not necessarily in the conceptual domain that Gaia governs. This means that while the physical Earth might change or merge, Gaia’s core concept remains constant, unaffected by these changes.
- Type 1 Concepts are independent of the objects they shape, meaning that even if the specific object (the original Earth) is altered, the concept (Gaia) continues to exist and govern its new manifestation.
4. Implications of Using Gaia’s Core in the New Earth
- Gaia’s core is used in the process of healing Mujin's wounds and creating the new Earth, thus it suggests that Gaia’s conceptual influence extends to the new Earth, which further solidifies her role as a Type 1 Concept.
- The fact that Gaia’s core can be leveraged in this process without losing her essence implies that while her powers can be utilized, her fundamental nature remains unchanged, independent of the specific Earth she governs.
- Whether Earth is destroyed, absorbed, or transformed into a new version, the fact that Gaia remains unaffected proves her independence as a Type 1 Concept. She is not tied to the existence of one specific Earth but instead embodies the conceptual essence that can persist across different iterations or versions of a world.
- Thus, the scenario of Earth being absorbed rather than destroyed still aligns with Gaia being a Type 1 Concept since her influence transcends individual planetary forms.
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