Gill vs T.K.O. (8-B Tourney)

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Gill vs T.K.O. (Early Series T.K.O)

Speed equalized

Is it just me or does K.O.’s P&A section need work?

 

[SamanPatou]

AP: From what I see, K.O. scales to Boxman jr., who could oneshot characters who scale to 16 tons.
On the other side, Gill is much stronger than Juri, who could perform a 48 tons feat. Gill can also enhance his attacks with Damage Boost.

LS:
K.O's Class 5, while Gill's Class 25 and possibly 50. The latter has the advantage, and given that his fighting style heavily resembles Pankration, which employs many submissions, it could be a big problem for K.O.

Speed: Equalized because it's Supersonic vs FTL, way more than the 3X gap allowed by the tournament rules

Versatility: I totally need an explanation on how K.O.'s equipment and powers work, since there is no explanation. For the moment, I'm just going to talk about Gill for now.

Resurrection is his best tool, since upon defeat he basically comes back with full health. It's difficult to stop if you don't know it is going to happen, also because he will erupt flames around him to push you away, and it takes just a few seconds.

Retribution is his second best tool, since his powered-up Fire and Ice attacks will cause statuses, and the same happens with his meteors and icicles, which don't need to be powered up in order to trigger the statuses.
Such statuses, as explained in Gill's P&A section, cause either progressive damage (burning) or complete immobilization (freezing), although the latter requires a few hits in order to trigger. When an opponent is afflicted by such statuses, including "incomplete" freezing, they take double damage if hit by the opposite element.

Other good tools are Blocking, which is a defense stance that nullifies the opponent's blow, Stat Amps (that will become further Damage Boost in the future) that enhance his special moves and allows him to use new ones, and lastly you standard elemental damage of fire and ice.

Skill: By comparing their intelligence sections and the opponents they've fought, I'd say that Gill also has an advantage in this.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Honestly, especially after the the stuff said above too, it seems like Gill game set

 

[SamanPatou]

I also want to add that Gill has the range advantage, both physically (due to being taller) and with ranged attacks, which include projectiles, meteors and the omnidirectional Seraphic Wings.
Also, attacks such as Tree of Frost and Delay Freeze Lance allow him to create ice constructs from his limbs, extending physical range even further.

 

[Chaos Jester25]

AP: From what I see, K.O. scales to Boxman jr., who could oneshot characters who scale to 16 tons.
On the other side, Gill is much stronger than Juri, who could perform a 48 tons feat. Gill can also enhance his attacks with Damage Boost.

This likely won't negate the AP gap but T.K.O has Rage Power so he will be getting stronger as the fight goes on due to being easily angered.

LS:
K.O's Class 5, while Gill's Class 25 and possibly 50. The latter has the advantage, and given that his fighting style heavily resembles Pankration, which employs many submissions, it could be a big problem for K.O.

T.K.O has teleportation meaning he could teleport out of the submission holds.

Versatility: I totally need an explanation on how K.O.'s equipment and powers work, since there is no explanation. For the moment, I'm just going to talk about Gill for now.

T.K.O mostly relies on hand to hand combat with energy blasts mixed in but as the battle goes on he might use his Disempowerment Dome which is a AOE attacks that power nulls and completely drains the energy of anyone hit.

 

[LaserPrecision]

As noted above, T.K.O. as some solid counters to many of Gill's abilities. I'll cover more into detail what was mentioned above in addition to countering some arguments for Gill.

teleportation

Self-explanatory. T.K.O. can just teleport at will. Allowing him to escape Gill when he uses his Lifting Strength advantage. Effectively nullifying it.

T.K.O mostly relies on hand to hand combat with energy blasts mixed in but as the battle goes on he might use his Disempowerment Dome which is a AOE attacks that power nulls and completely drains the energy of anyone hit.

Energy blasts are also self-explanatory. T.K.O. can also fly which he often does while fighting.

The Disempowerment Dome is DEFINITELY T.K.O.'s massive win-con. It allows him to instantly drain fighters who upscale from 16 Tons of all their power to fight, causing them to drop to the floor in seconds while absorbing their power/strength for his own:

Retribution is his second best tool, since his powered-up Fire and Ice attacks will cause statuses, and the same happens with his meteors and icicles, which don't need to be powered up in order to trigger the statuses.
Such statuses, as explained in Gill's P&A section, cause either progressive damage (burning) or complete immobilization (freezing), although the latter requires a few hits in order to trigger. When an opponent is afflicted by such statuses, including "incomplete" freezing, they take double damage if hit by the opposite element.

T.K.O.'s noted to have power mimicry. His mimicry is unique though. He can use an opponents attack against themself:


It's likely after seeing these attacks that T.K.O. would then use them against Gill to induce the same ailments to him.

K.O. is also able to slow down time to the point even his friends at comparable speed seem slow. I don't have the clip, but I know it happens in the episode "You're in Control". That would certainly give him an advantage as despite speed being equalized, he could have a speed advantage via slowing Gill down.

K.O. can also manipulate electricity via T.K.O.'s power

 

[SamanPatou]

This likely won't negate the AP gap but T.K.O has Rage Power so he will be getting stronger as the fight goes on due to being easily angered.

From what I read on his profile, rage power is used to enter the TKO form, thus he has already received the boost.
Is there proof his power grows overtime while in this form?


If he can freely teleport at will then yes, submissions become useless, but given his lower AP and LS, he can still be crushed if caught at the right time before he has the chance to activate or react, which is still a possibility, and one of Gill's base grabs has him squeezing your skull.

The Disempowerment Dome is DEFINITELY T.K.O.'s massive win-con. It allows him to instantly drain fighters who upscale from 16 Tons of all their power to fight, causing them to drop to the floor in seconds while absorbing their power/strength for his own:

That's surely something, do it seems to take a little amount of time and TKO has to to stay still, giving Gill the chance of attacking him with some projectile or super move to interrupt him or starting to get away.
It isn't really big, at least at first, so Gill might try to avoid it with his acrobatics, which is really good, or maybe even Teleportation, although is isn't really in-character for him to use it.
Giving his larger AP when compared to the other characters, Gill might also last longer before being drained, and some characters almost managed to outrun the barrier, which seems to fade away after not much time.
Resurrection would also give Gill a second chance, although TKO would have more AP at that point.

T.K.O.'s noted to have power mimicry. His mimicry is unique though. He can use an opponents attack against themself:


It's likely after seeing these attacks that T.K.O. would then use them against Gill to induce the same ailments to him.

Here he uses that guy's energy against which, but do we have proof he'd be able to copy entirely different types of powers, like Gill's pyro and cryokinesis?

K.O. is also able to slow down time to the point even his friends at comparable speed seem slow. I don't have the clip, but I know it happens in the episode "You're in Control". That would certainly give him an advantage as despite speed being equalized, he could have a speed advantage via slowing Gill down.

K.O. can also manipulate electricity via T.K.O.'s power

His profile says he doesn't use it to fight and has only used it once unconsciously for non-combat purposes, and it is unknown if he'd able to control it
I wouldn't consider this a viable option.

As noted above, T.K.O. as some solid counters to many of Gill's abilities. I'll cover more into detail what was mentioned above in addition to countering some arguments for Gill.


Self-explanatory. T.K.O. can just teleport at will. Allowing him to escape Gill when he uses his Lifting Strength advantage. Effectively nullifying it.

Energy blasts are also self-explanatory. T.K.O. can also fly which he often does while fighting.

The Disempowerment Dome is DEFINITELY T.K.O.'s massive win-con. It allows him to instantly drain fighters who upscale from 16 Tons of all their power to fight, causing them to drop to the floor in seconds while absorbing their power/strength for his own:


T.K.O.'s noted to have power mimicry. His mimicry is unique though. He can use an opponents attack against themself:


It's likely after seeing these attacks that T.K.O. would then use them against Gill to induce the same ailments to him.

K.O. is also able to slow down time to the point even his friends at comparable speed seem slow. I don't have the clip, but I know it happens in the episode "You're in Control". That would certainly give him an advantage as despite speed being equalized, he could have a speed advantage via slowing Gill down.

K.O. can also manipulate electricity via T.K.O.'s power

It doesn't seem an impressive form of electricity and looks to be limited to his physical blows.
The same thing and more is done by Urien, Gill's brother, so it really isn't anything new or special to him.

 

[Chaos Jester25]

Is there proof his power grows overtime while in this form?

T.K.O states this.

 

[LaserPrecision]

If he can freely teleport at will then yes, submissions become useless, but given his lower AP and LS, he can still be crushed if caught at the right time before he has the chance to activate or react, which is still a possibility, and one of Gill's base grabs has him squeezing your skull.

Sadly, on the wiki Lifting Strength can't be assumed to crush/kill an opponent. I find it weird since in games and other series characters are shown to explicitly crush people to death with lifting strength, but vs wiki doesn't use that logic. We just assume it gives them a better grapple over someone. Thus, T.K.O. could teleport out of his grasp to prevent a win via incapacitation or anything like that.

That's surely something, do it seems to take a little amount of time and TKO has to to stay still, giving Gill the chance of attacking him with some projectile or super move to interrupt him or starting to get away.
It isn't really big, at least at first, so Gill might try to avoid it with his acrobatics, which is really good, or maybe even Teleportation, although is isn't really in-character for him to use it.
Giving his larger AP when compared to the other characters, Gill might also last longer before being drained, and some characters almost managed to outrun the barrier, which seems to fade away after not much time.
Resurrection would also give Gill a second chance, although TKO would have more AP at that point.

I'm unsure if he'd be able to outrun the barrier if characters who scaled to his speed couldn't outpace it. Since this is equalized speed, the chance of him outrunning the expansion is very unlikely. Especially since T.K.O. can also slow down time for an advantage if need be.

I'm also unsure if having greater strength means they take longer to get absorbed, but I don't think that's the case. I think it's tied to a character's resistance to power absorption like how most hax work. Unless of course it's explicitly portrayed to work like that.

Here he uses that guy's energy against which, but do we have proof he'd be able to copy entirely different types of powers, like Gill's pyro and cryokinesis?

The wiki has it listed as power mimicry, and I assume we'd work under the basis that he can apply the same fundamental method on other characters, ie. he could grab his Pyro and Cryokinesis. Later on although admittedly in a higher key, we see T.K.O. use this exact same power again to turn others attacks into his own and reverse them, so it's not like it's limited to only telekinesis/energy-based attacks or anything. Of course like I said, that's later on, but it's the same exact method and ability. How I imagine it would play out is Gill uses pyro or cryokinesis at T.K.O., and he redirects it and uses it against Gill.

His profile says he doesn't use it to fight and has only used it once unconsciously for non-combat purposes, and it is unknown if he'd able to control it
I wouldn't consider this a viable option.

While that is possible, it did activate during a 'crisis' moment. When the sign of the bodega fell and was going to crush his mother (who had an injured leg and thus couldn't move), it activated then. It also clearly occurred before he interacted with T.K.O.. So while I don't think he's actively going to use it, I don't think it would be applicable if he were in immediate danger.

It doesn't seem an impressive form of electricity and looks to be limited to his physical blows.

This is my fault, I didn't link far enough. That's just one application, watch more of the video. After Boxman Jr (The small green guy) hits him with a sign by swinging it around, K.O. launches electricity at him.

 

[SamanPatou]

How reliable that statement is?
Is there proof the he actually becomes stronger, and by a notable margin?

 

[LaserPrecision]

How reliable that statement is?
Is there proof the he actually becomes stronger, and by a notable margin?

It's likely connected to the fact that T.K.O. is drawn out from negative emotions and insecurities. Which likely results in growth from T.K.O. whilst he's in the form, while with K.O., he would just trigger his transformation. I can probably look to see if he does seem to grow stronger, but it's hard to tell if he does in the episode because he's basically stomping everyone, lol.

It can probably be implied he got faster when Enid who he initially couldn't catch due to her extreme acrobatics and agility (She's a ninja), but upon summoning the barrier, he easily ensnared her.

In the fight with Boxman Jr, he was initially fighting on par, but after becoming enraged due to being unable to beat him, after K.O. utilizes his power, he's able to one-shot Boxman Jr

So he likely does become stronger as he grows given all of this.

 

[SamanPatou]

Sadly, on the wiki Lifting Strength can't be assumed to crush/kill an opponent. I find it weird since in games and other series characters are shown to explicitly crush people to death with lifting strength, but vs wiki doesn't use that logic. We just assume it gives them a better grapple over someone. Thus, T.K.O. could teleport out of his grasp to prevent a win via incapacitation or anything like that.

With the necessary combination of AP and LS, then yes, you can iirc, and Gill has both and by a notable margin.

I'm unsure if he'd be able to outrun the barrier if characters who scaled to his speed couldn't outpace it. Since this is equalized speed, the chance of him outrunning the expansion is very unlikely. Especially since T.K.O. can also slow down time for an advantage if need be.

Yeah, outrunning doesn't seem really likely, but I wouldn't exclude it, since characters who scaled to his speed almost managed to do it.
It also depends of where TKO is when he starts creating such barrier, since it takes a while before expanding and in that moment Gill might not even be that close.

I'm also unsure if having greater strength means they take longer to get absorbed, but I don't think that's the case. I think it's tied to a character's resistance to power absorption like how most hax work. Unless of course it's explicitly portrayed to work like that.

I agree on that, tho the SF verse runs on DB-like mechanics based on "countable" reserves ki, so it might be something.

The wiki has it listed as power mimicry, and I assume we'd work under the basis that he can apply the same fundamental method on other characters, ie. he could grab his Pyro and Cryokinesis. Later on although admittedly in a higher key, we see T.K.O. use this exact same power again to turn others attacks into his own and reverse them, so it's not like it's limited to only telekinesis/energy-based attacks or anything. Of course like I said, that's later on, but it's the same exact method and ability. How I imagine it would play out is Gill uses pyro or cryokinesis at T.K.O., and he redirects it and uses it against Gill.

Power Mimicry is subject to many different applications, we don't assume that just because a character can copy something, he'd be able to copy entirely different kinds of powers unless he has showed to be able of doing such, and it often comes up in vs threads.
Like, the first example that comes into my mind is in a match between Garou and Akuma, where we determined that Garou wouldn't have been able to copy ki-based techniques due to not having showed to ability to use ki.
Besides, you can argue that TKO's is more like non-physical interaction, since he hasn't really copied that energy beam, he just grabbed it instead.
Since it happens in a later key, we don't assume he can do the same in this one, unless there are good reasons to assume so.

Even then, redirecting projectiles wouldn't really work on Gill unless TKO is damn good at doing it.
Gill has fought against his brother Urien many times, and could always outskill and easily stomp him, despite the two having the same exact strength.
And Urien's specialty is the Aegis Reflector, an energy mirror that reflect projectiles.
He can casually create even three mirrors at the time, and it's totally in-character for him to do it, so attack reflection is something Gill is very used to.

While that is possible, it did activate during a 'crisis' moment. When the sign of the bodega fell and was going to crush his mother (who had an injured leg and thus couldn't move), it activated then. It also clearly occurred before he interacted with T.K.O.. So while I don't think he's actively going to use it, I don't think it would be applicable if he were in immediate danger.

We can't even assume he'd be able to take advantage of it if it were to be triggered, since he doesn't have control on it, and could occur at anytime, for a brief period.
It may possibly activate once to save him from a particularly strong move, and allow him to dodge it, but nothing more, at least from what I'm reading.

This is my fault, I didn't link far enough. That's just one application, watch more of the video. After Boxman Jr (The small green guy) hits him with a sign by swinging it around, K.O. launches electricity at him.

That's better, but I'd also say nothing Gill isn't used to deal with.
Unless he's very skilled with them, Gill has already dealt with master fighters who are specialized in projectiles, like G and the aforementioned Urien, who also used electric spheres as a form of attack.
Projectiles are also very popular in the SF verse, and one like Gill has surely quite a lot of experience against them, on top of being able to counter with his own.

In the fight with Boxman Jr, he was initially fighting on par, but after becoming enraged due to being unable to beat him, after K.O. utilizes his power, he's able to one-shot Boxman Jr

So he likely does become stronger as he grows given all of this.

Was he already in his TKO form when this occurred?
Otherwise, he already starts with such boost in this match, since he is TKO from the start.

I also want to say that Gill has his own boosts, which affect the strength and additional effects of his special moves.

 

[Chaos Jester25]

Was he already in his TKO form when this occurred?
Otherwise, he already starts with such boost in this match, since he is TKO from the start.

When T.K.O started fighting Boxman JR they were around the same level power wise. Later in the fight when K.O. was using T.K.O's powers he was stomping Boxman JR.

 

[SamanPatou]

So, it was KO vs Boxman, and then he turned into TKO to defeat him, right?

If that's so, in this match he's not going to receive such boost, because he already starts in his TKO form.

 

[Chaos Jester25]

So, it was KO vs Boxman, and then he turned into TKO to defeat him, right?

I need to explain this better. The fight started with K.O. becoming T.K.O and matching Boxman Jr and they were around the same level. Later in the fight T.K.O became base form K.O. K.O then used T.K.O's power without transforming and was stomping BoxMan Jr.

 

[LaserPrecision]

So, it was KO vs Boxman, and then he turned into TKO to defeat him, right?

If that's so, in this match he's not going to receive such boost, because he already starts in his TKO form.

It started as T.K.O. vs Boxman Jr. At best you could argue T.K.O. had a slight advantage but it was practically dead-even. After becoming enraged from this, Base K.O. utilizes T.K.O.'s power in his Base Form to one-shot Boxman Jr. So T.K.O.'s power went from being on par with, to one-shotting Boxman Jr.

 

[LaserPrecision]

With the necessary combination of AP and LS, then yes, you can iirc, and Gill has both and by a notable margin.

Lifting Strength alone can only be used to easily hold the opponent in place, or heck, even win by keeping them held in place for long enough for them to win since SBA accounts for Incapacitation. But Lifting Strength on its own can't be used to crush the opponent to death. That's connected to AP, but LS allows him to hold them in place, but I see T.K.O. teleporting away before they get that chance.

Yeah, outrunning doesn't seem really likely, but I wouldn't exclude it, since characters who scaled to his speed almost managed to do it.
It also depends of where TKO is when he starts creating such barrier, since it takes a while before expanding and in that moment Gill might not even be that close.

They didn't almost escape. After being caught in the attack, T.K.O. stopped expanding the dome and proceeded to walk over to his mother.

I should also mention, you stated that Gill has the range advantage, but his range is tens of meters. K.O.'s range has shown to extend far past the planet. We've seen his power fist reach even the moon in just episode 2.



Meaning he should have a large range advantage.

Power Mimicry is subject to many different applications, we don't assume that just because a character can copy something, he'd be able to copy entirely different kinds of powers unless he has showed to be able of doing such, and it often comes up in vs threads.
Like, the first example that comes into my mind is in a match between Garou and Akuma, where we determined that Garou wouldn't have been able to copy ki-based techniques due to not having showed to ability to use ki.
Besides, you can argue that TKO's is more like non-physical interaction, since he hasn't really copied that energy beam, he just grabbed it instead.
Since it happens in a later key, we don't assume he can do the same in this one, unless there are good reasons to assume so.

Even then, redirecting projectiles wouldn't really work on Gill unless TKO is damn good at doing it.
Gill has fought against his brother Urien many times, and could always outskill and easily stomp him, despite the two having the same exact strength.
And Urien's specialty is the Aegis Reflector, an energy mirror that reflect projectiles.
He can casually create even three mirrors at the time, and it's totally in-character for him to do it, so attack reflection is something Gill is very used to.

Isn't Garo's mimicry limited to martial arts technique? I don't recall him ever straight out copying an actual power like energy beams, explosion generation, etc.

While Gills' fought characters who can use mirrors, has he ever fought anyone with as many unique/seperate abilities as K.O. in general? He has Power Fist which are basically energy blasts that have ridiculous range, can change trajectory mid-flight, electricity, power-mimicry, teleportation, and absorbtion.

Assuming T.K.O. gets backed into a corner, he's also likely to grow stronger and use his power absorption which would absorb him of all his energy in a short time period based on what we've seen. Gill also wouldn't know the barrier saps people of their power, thus wouldn't know to evade it. If he sees it as a barrier to protect him, or is in his general vicinity, T.K.O. can just rapidly expand his barrier at speeds that characters comparable to him were unable to escape from. So him escaping the barrier seems very unlikely, especially since he has no prep time.

We can't even assume he'd be able to take advantage of it if it were to be triggered, since he doesn't have control on it, and could occur at anytime, for a brief period.
It may possibly activate once to save him from a particularly strong move, and allow him to dodge it, but nothing more, at least from what I'm reading.

Couldn't that be seen as an advantage? Allowing him to save himself from particularly strong moves? He could save himself with that kind of technique, it's certainly noteworthy in that case.

 

[SamanPatou]

It started as T.K.O. vs Boxman Jr. At best you could argue T.K.O. had a slight advantage but it was practically dead-even. After becoming enraged from this, Base K.O. utilizes T.K.O.'s power in his Base Form to one-shot Boxman Jr. So T.K.O.'s power went from being on par with, to one-shotting Boxman Jr.

But this happened only after he reverted back to K.O. which can't happen here.
And even then, it would be a property of base K.O. not applicable to TKO, and Early Series TKO scales to just harming Boxman Jr.
Maybe he could use another key for this specific state?

Lifting Strength alone can only be used to easily hold the opponent in place, or heck, even win by keeping them held in place for long enough for them to win since SBA accounts for Incapacitation. But Lifting Strength on its own can't be used to crush the opponent to death. That's connected to AP, but LS allows him to hold them in place, but I see T.K.O. teleporting away before they get that chance.

I mean, crushing one is still a form of harming the other, when you both have superior AP and LS I don't know why we'd want to ban this form of attack for no reason.
TKO might get out from submissions, but if Gill manages to get a grab of him and quickly squeeze his body, head or else, he's definitely going to break his bones or worse.

I should also mention, you stated that Gill has the range advantage, but his range is tens of meters. K.O.'s range has shown to extend far past the planet. We've seen his power fist reach even the moon in just episode 2.



Meaning he should have a large range advantage.

This should be added to his profile through a revision, because currently he only has several meters with energy blasts.

Isn't Garo's mimicry limited to martial arts technique? I don't recall him ever straight out copying an actual power like energy beams, explosion generation, etc.

It was an example, we hardly would do the same even with the likes of Kid Bu and other character who can copy more than just techniques.
Power Mimicry is one of those powers that heavily relies on case by case basis, and from what I see, TKO's isn't even propert mimicry, since he's just grabbed some energy thread, let alone assuming he can somehow copy entirely different powers.

While Gills' fought characters who can use mirrors, has he ever fought anyone with as many unique/seperate abilities as K.O. in general? He has Power Fist which are basically energy blasts that have ridiculous range, can change trajectory mid-flight, electricity, power-mimicry, teleportation, and absorbtion.

Well, yes.
For what we know hes fought with and proved himself better than G, Urien (many times), Dudley, Ibuki and Necro. He's also one of the oldest characters in the SF universe, having possibly hundreds of years, spent honing his abilities and most likely fighting other warriors, since it's in-character for him to look out for worthy opponents to seek a challenge or make them his followers.
Energy Blasts are really nothing new, since most of the fighters in the SF verse use them, same with changing trjectory mid-flight, which is something Gill himself can do, and other characters like Cammy and Blanka reach flight-like levels. Electricity also is just one of the many elements SF people control, and as I said, Urien has control over it and can employ it in several ways, from projectiles, to pillars to electrify his physical blows.
Teleportation is also rather common, Ibuki could do it, for example, and same goes for Absorption, many characters in the verse can do it, and G does it (just listing the few known people who have fought and lost to Gill).

Even for sheer battle savviness, Gill is just better than a person who knows all martial arts on Earth blended in a single style (G), a man who's master of all forms of combat (Urien) and others champions and gifted fighters, all things that are much more impressive than what KO knows and can do in terms of hand-to-hand combat, at least according to his profile.

Assuming T.K.O. gets backed into a corner, he's also likely to grow stronger and use his power absorption which would absorb him of all his energy in a short time period based on what we've seen. Gill also wouldn't know the barrier saps people of their power, thus wouldn't know to evade it. If he sees it as a barrier to protect him, or is in his general vicinity, T.K.O. can just rapidly expand his barrier at speeds that characters comparable to him were unable to escape from. So him escaping the barrier seems very unlikely, especially since he has no prep time.

TKO could still be interrupted while initiating the barrier, since it takes a little time to kick in, leaving him still and open to stuff like standard projectiles or stronger and more advanced techniques such as Meteor Strike or Seraphic Wings.
And if he isn't too close, he can still jump away from it, and even running could work, if he isn't really really close.
For one as smart, skilled and experienced as Gill, who's also fought people who use barriers all the time, he'd know that staying close to them isn't a good idea.


About everything else, TKO would also likely get plenty of fire and ice damage, given the elemental properties of Gill's attacks, could be put in both a burning or freezing state, could be stunned, could take double damage from being hit by the opposite element and his attacks, when they aren't getting avoided or countered by pure skill, would just get nullified by Blocking (the technique).
And even without the barrier absorbing Gill's life, his Resurrection still works as second chance ticket to come back with full health.

 

[SamanPatou]

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