Fist of the Blue Sky: Soryu Tenra

[Grudgeman1706]

Hey guys Grudgeman here with yet again another HNK question (well SNK question to be specific.) I need your guys opinion on this move from Souten no Ken. The move is called Soryu Tenra(Blue dragon heavenly silk) and well it's confusing on what it could do. Their seems to be some kind of manipulation this move does when Kasumi uses it. If you guys can, can you please read chapter 224-225 to understand and look at the move [here]

If you guys bother to read the chapters please tell me what type of manipulations this move does.

From what I've seen it creates a room like sphere where their in a place where "heaven and earth don't exist" according to Kasumi. In this room Kasumi and Liu can apperantly kill each other endlessly, when one of them dies it just restarts like it never happens. Death in a away is nulled to an extent until they cross the barrier of death where one of them will die permanently and be erased from existence. (Spoilers) Kasumi is stopped by the celestial goddess of hokuto before he could kill Liu. Anyway this is my take on it what do you think guys. (Please read the two chapters if you can for a better grasp of the move.)

I'd like to find out what kinda of manipulation Kasumi is creating and doing.

Edit: here is what the hokuto wiki wrote about the move for reference as well [hokuto wiki link]

 

[LordXcano]

As I said in PMs, IMO this isn't one single manipulation or multiple. This is a specific technique that can only be used as-is. If there was any other way of using this Ken could've ended the fight in a much simpler fashion.

I think it should just be added in as a technique/ability at the bottom of the page rather than a series of powers.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

As I said in PMs, IMO this isn't one single manipulation or multiple. This is a specific technique that can only be used as-is. If there was any other way of using this Ken could've ended the fight in a much simpler fashion.

I think it should just be added in as a technique/ability at the bottom of the page rather than a series of powers.

Your right on two things but I must disagree on two of your proposal, one it's a technique of course and it is labeled as such, however it isn't a move that's used too outward but feather as an ability he summons, the only example I could think of is ichiryuu moves from toriko, minority world. What do I mean by this. Well when Kasumi activates this move he creates a whole new environment where things are different, as he points out they are now in a place where "heaven and earth don't exist" in this room Kasumi and his opponent are no longer bound to the laws of the world or even heaven per se.

They no longer are bound to gravity and float and fly in this place, when kasumi is killed, he doesn't die permanently and can continue to fight for as long as he want(until he crosses the barrier of death with Liu where if one of them dies their body and souls vanish from existence forever. I don't know kind of manipulation that is which is why I'm asking ) also another thing I realized after rereading theses chapters is when two people enter the sonryu Tenra, they can no longer use their energy projectiles or any kind of energy shields or blast and must fight, using their physical might only, as they don't use projectiles any,ore within this fight.(here's the evidence, [Evidence]

Also xcano, you must know this by now, but most characters don't spam or use their attacks in a way that would quickly end a fight unless the author or story specifically states that they do. If every character did that goku would be spamming solar flare or something and distructo disc and end a fight right their. Or just spam Their deadly manipulation on the spot. Kasumi is a warrior, as such he never ever uses cheap tactics to end a fight in such a cheap way, when a worthy foe appears he doesn't use his insta kill powers right away and rather watches and learns form his opponent, in fact he's known to troll his opponents more than end it. What I'm asking is what kinds of manipulations can he use when using sonryu Tenra, that's all.

 

[LordXcano]

Even if he wouldn't just "spawn a void in his head" there are still much more practical non-cheap ways to use all the manipulations this would require rather than combining them all into one huge technique.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

Even if he wouldn't just "spawn a void in his head" there are still much more practical non-cheap ways to use all the manipulations this would require rather than combining them all into one huge technique.

Well if it helps he does sorta use his intangibilty ability to get the upper hand [here] and [here].Like I said the type of manipulation he does inside his sonryu Tenra may be limited their, again however what I'm asking for you and others to tell me what kind of manipulations he can use when in the sonryu Tenra. I might just close this TBH, aside from you no one actually cares too comment so it's pointless to keep it open.

 

[LordXcano]

The manipulations would be

• Void manipulation

• Soul manipulation

• Death manipulation

• Dimension creation

 

[Grudgeman1706]

The manipulations would be

I can see where the three of those manipulations could come from, but where did soul manipulation come from? For reference.

 

[Thebluedash]

I don't understand where soul manipulation comes from either. This sounds like Death and Nothingness manipulation to me.

 

[Ryukama]

Void and Death Manipulation along with Dimension Creation seem fine to me.

I can also kinda see Soul Manipulation, if FOtNS verse has an afterlife but this technique makes the person just get erased rather than go there.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Ryukama. However, we call it "Pocket Universe/Realm Creation" here.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

I agree with Ryukama. However, we call it "Pocket Universe/Realm Creation" here.

So, can we add theses to their profiles, or should I get more people on this ant.

Also now that I recall. Kenshrio (and possibly Kasumi) already have soul manipulation, thanks too Museo tensei, because "it allows you too coming with the souls of your fallen rivals and have them fight with you, not only that Kenshiro can use the special abilities they had in their Arsenal, like shuus ability to hear and fell the hearts of his oppeoent and surroundings, when Ken lost his eyesight someone saw shuus soul next to Ken as Ken said he will be I find. I can provide the scans if someone needs proof, and I believe cross might remember that.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if Kenshiro has never demonstrated such an ability, I think that we can only add this to Kasumi's profile.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

Well, if Kenshiro has never demonstrated such an ability, I think that we can only add this to Kasumi's profile.

It's supposedly the ultimate Hokuto Shinken technique passed down to a single successor, given the fact that he is the successor to it he must know the technique from his previous master ryuuken, if he did not he most likely learned if from the the hokuto life pillar, given that when Kasumi and Ken touched it they saw the history of hokuto Shinken itself and all of its previous sucessors, Kasumi goes into detail about what he saw. It's ignore likely he learned it

 

[Grudgeman1706]

Also it's not as secret or unique as let's say Museo tensei, given that you can learn it, where as MT you needed to learn true sadness.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, maybe a "possibly" listed before the abilities then?

 

[Grudgeman1706]

Well, maybe a "possibly" listed before the abilities then?

That could work

 

[Grudgeman1706]

May I add these abilities with your permission. With Kenshiro being "possibly" or "most likely" on his profile with a brief explanation saying what I said.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, that should probably be fine.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

Alright, you may close this thread if you wish.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

Yes, that should probably be fine.

I'm sorry could you link me the realm creation page.

 

[Antvasima]

We do not have such a power listed in this wiki yet, as far as I know. I simply mentioned that we try to use the term "dimension" correctly here.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

@Antvasima, so what do I list it as you stated "pocket universe/Realm creation, or is their another power that I should instead put.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, you can check here to see if you can find a suitable power to link to, and if that fails, the Superpower wiki should definitely have a page for it.

Alternately, you could simply mention the ability without a link.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

Well, you can check here to see if you can find a suitable power to link to, and if that fails, the Superpower wiki should definitely have a page for it.

Alternately, you could simply mention the ability without a link.

Alright I f I can't find anything I'll just put something like " pocket realm creation" and give a description.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. That is fine.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

I found something, could this work http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Pocket_Dimension_Creation

This also somewhat fits http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Dimensional_Manipulation

 

[Antvasima]

The first link should be fine, although you will have to call it "pocket universe creation" in the text.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

The first link should be fine, although you will have to call it "pocket universe creation" in the text.

Gotcha, now you may decide whether to close this thread or not. Everything is done.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.