Fire Emblem Engage discussion thread

[The_Italian_Writer]

It has been almost two years since FE Engage came out and I am surprised that more people have not talked about this game or what the characters in this game scale to. Either way, it is messy from what I heard but at a bare minimum, I would guess that all the characters are at least Town Level due to meteor being a spell in this game. However, with other things, it could get more complicated, especially with the Emblems. Alear is capable of using Falchion in Engage and Falchion is Island Level and possibly MSS Level according to its page so I would guess that Alear and all the Emblems or characters who have fought on par with him in the paralogues and scale to him should be on a similar level. But I am going out of my reach here as I am unsure how this would work or if it works at all.

Either way, I do think that we should discuss this more and make pages for these characters as it has been almost 2 years and there is no page for them.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Believe or not, it's actually got valid 1-C scaling from Veronica.

 

[The_Italian_Writer]

Believe or not, it's actually got valid 1-C scaling from Veronica.

I heard that FE Engage is canon to Heroes so if that is the case then I guess they would have Low 1-C through scaling to Veronica. I am also guessing that all the Emblems would have the same scaling to Veronica through scaling to Alear right?.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Veronica is outdated since 6-D is actually 1-C now as opposed to Low 1-C. Low 1-C is for 5-D sized multiverses.

 

[The_Italian_Writer]

Veronica is outdated since 6-D is actually 1-C now as opposed to Low 1-C. Low 1-C is for 5-D sized multiverses.

Well if that is the case then Alear and everyone else in FE Engage like the Emblems and all the other characters who directly scale to Alear like in-game bosses should scale to that 1-C feat. The Emblems that have fought with and alongside Alear like Marth for example, should also scale to this but I am not sure if this can be put on their profiles. FE Engage is a canon game and a mainline game in the franchise but I am not sure if we can put this on their profiles or not. Either way , regardless of weather or not this should be put on their main profiles or a separate profile should be made altogether, the Emblems like Marth should scale to Veronica through scaling to Alear who scales to her.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The Emblems would be 1-C for sure, but iirc, we wanted to restrict it to Emblems scaling with a few exceptions. Alear being 1-C outright when she becomes an Emblem, and obviously Sombron. There's also Rafal from the DLC expansion.

 

[The_Italian_Writer]

The Emblems would be 1-C for sure, but iirc, we wanted to restrict it to Emblems scaling with a few exceptions. Alear being 1-C outright when she becomes an Emblem, and obviously Sombron. There's also Rafal from the DLC expansion.

So basically as far as I understand it, this would mean that for example Roy, Marth, Ike, and the rest of the Emblems would scale to 1-C stuff through scaling to Veronica but we would not scale any other character who did not show up in Engage to this feat?. For example, Ashera would not be getting 1-C scaling through scaling to Ike who scales to Veronica in Engage if I am understanding this correctly.

And on a side note, since FE Engage confirms that Heroes is canon and part of the mainline story through Veronica showing up in it, would that make Heroes scaling canon now?. Would it be like a similar thing with Heroes like what we did with Dissidia FF?.

 

[TheGatememer]

The 1-C ratings wouldn't scale to anyone outside of Engage/Heroes, since Emblems aren't the original Hero, and instead exist as the "concept" of all iterations of the original hero. So, no back scaling to any of the other mainline games.

Non-Emblems/Engaged characters would likely be rated as "At least 7-C, possibly 1-C". The former for obvious reasons, and the latter because, while Emblems are far superior to the main cast, they can still be defeated as seen in their Trial Maps.

So basically as far as I understand it, this would mean that for example Roy, Marth, Ike, and the rest of the Emblems would scale to 1-C stuff through scaling to Veronica but we would not scale any other character who did not show up in Engage to this feat?. For example, Ashera would not be getting 1-C scaling through scaling to Ike who scales to Veronica in Engage if I am understanding this correctly.

Correct. Though, Emblem Ashera would scale.

And on a side note, since FE Engage confirms that Heroes is canon and part of the mainline story through Veronica showing up in it, would that make Heroes scaling canon now?. Would it be like a similar thing with Heroes like what we did with Dissidia FF?.

Heroes has always been canon, so nothing changes here.

 

[The_Italian_Writer]

The 1-C ratings wouldn't scale to anyone outside of Engage/Heroes, since Emblems aren't the original Hero, and instead exist as the "concept" of all iterations of the original hero. So, no back scaling to any of the other mainline games.

Non-Emblems/Engaged characters would likely be rated as "At least 7-C, possibly 1-C". The former for obvious reasons, and the latter because, while Emblems are far superior to the main cast, they can still be defeated as seen in their Trial Maps.


Correct. Though, Emblem Ashera would scale.


Heroes has always been canon, so nothing changes here.

Is Heroes a mainline game in the series though? I have heard some people claim it is and I guess if it is then pretty much all Characters who are in Heroes would get 1-C Scaling through Heroes given that it is canon and it is canon to the mainline series through Engage. I always thought Heroes was Non-Canon and it was more to the Mainline Games like what DBH is to DBS for instance but I guess now it can be considered to be more like Dissidia to FF than DBH to DBS.

But yeah, everyone in Engage should at least scale to Town Level by being able to survive and use Meteor which is a spell calculated to be Town Level and even the weakest characters in Engage should scale to that.

 

[TheGatememer]

Is Heroes a mainline game in the series though? I have heard some people claim it is and I guess if it is then pretty much all Characters who are in Heroes would get 1-C Scaling through Heroes given that it is canon and it is canon to the mainline series through Engage. I always thought Heroes was Non-Canon and it was more to the Mainline Games like what DBH is to DBS for instance but I guess now it can be considered to be more like Dissidia to FF than DBH to DBS.

Yes. Heroes is listed among the mainline games in the Legacy of Archanea book, is counted among the mainline games by Sakurai in the Byleth Direct, and is listed among the mainline games on IS' official website for Fire Emblem, and Alfonse is usually seen alongside other mainline lords in promotional artwork. Heroes has never been non-mainline, nor non-canon. So, yeah, it is much more similar to what Dissidia is to FF.

 

[The_Italian_Writer]

Yes. Heroes is listed among the mainline games in the Legacy of Archanea book, is counted among the mainline games by Sakurai in the Byleth Direct, and is listed among the mainline games on IS' official website for Fire Emblem, and Alfonse is usually seen alongside other mainline lords in promotional artwork. Heroes has never been non-mainline, nor non-canon. So, yeah, it is much more similar to what Dissidia is to FF.

So I guess canonically we can consider all the major FE Protagonists and most Antagonists to scale to FE Heroes stuff since FE Heroes is canon and most major FE characters appeared in it and thus scale to it, similarly to how most FF characters (Outside of the characters who did not appear in Dissidia like FF Tactics Characters) have Dissidia stuff on their profiles due to Dissidia being canon. I never thought 1-C FE Characters would actually be a thing lol. But I guess this is kind of venturing into an off-topic discussion and this may warrant some upgrades to the verse as a whole like what we did to FF characters with Dissidia.

But on the other hand and more on topic, I agree with making Alear and characters who directly scale to him as being 1-C through scaling to Veronica, all the Emblems should also get scaled to 1-C as well due to being directly comparable to Alear, the low tier characters should all be at least Town-Level through scaling to spells that are on that level of power like Meteor. The characters that we are not as sure about should be Town-Level with the possibility of being 1-C through possibly scaling to Alear who scales to Veronica.

The issue is making the profiles for these characters but I am sure someone will get to it eventually, I also think we should make profiles for the Emblems but they should be separate from their main counterparts because the Emblems exist as concepts of the original hero but not as the original hero, therefore Emblem Marth, Roy, Lucina, Corrin, Byleth, Ike, Sigurd, and the others should have separate profiles from their mainline selves, like how for example Xeno Goku and GT Goku have two different profiles and not one profile despite Xeno Goku coming from the GT timeline and mentioning events that happened in GT.

 

[TheGatememer]

I do have a sandbox of Alear, and Emblem Marth somewhere, but they aren’t anywhere near finished as of me writing this, since I’m currently prioritizing other stuff (Like overhauling our current FE profiles)