[FINALS] 1st Generals of Grove Tournament - Kaint vs. Patians Pyaright (0-0-0)

[ExSENNA]

Welcome to the GRAND FINALE of the 1st Generals of Grove Tournament! (Bracket) (Event Leaderboard)

On the blue corner, we have Kaint, submitted by @MintyBoi1!
On the red corner, we have Patians Pyaright, submitted by @ExSENNA!
Duel 15, let's go!

Kaint is 750 Tons. Patians is 515 Tons. Kaint has a 1.4x AP Advantage.
Kaint has Class 50, Patians has Class T LS. Patians has the LS Advantage.

Supreme Tournament Kaint is used.
Anything above 8-A is restricted.
Speed is equalized.
Starting distance is 7 meters.

Kaint:
Patians:
Incon:

 

[MintyBoi1]

So Patians resists fear but not electricity or paralysis. On top of that she’s mainly a close ranged fighter aside from her Cachets and lacks Kaint’s experience due to only starting her training at 16 (8 years meanwhile Kaint is 22 and has been trained since childhood). Her enhanced senses however will be an issue since Kaint can’t surprise her with much. She’ll be able to detect Electrical Arc and maybe even his claws if they come into play. Though Kaint can respond to her speedy sword slashes with force fields and his own impressive acrobatics plus he has more AP.

 

[ExSENNA]

So Patians resists fear but not electricity or paralysis. On top of that she’s mainly a close ranged fighter aside from her Cachets and lacks Kaint’s experience due to only starting her training at 16 (8 years meanwhile Kaint is 22 and has been trained since childhood). Her enhanced senses however will be an issue since Kaint can’t surprise her with much. She’ll be able to detect Electrical Arc and maybe even his claws if they come into play. Though Kaint can respond to her speedy sword slashes with force fields and his own impressive acrobatics plus he has more AP.

The 1.4x AP gap is notable but not that significant imo, especially considering Patians upscales from her own value, has durability amps and stronger attacks

The primary ranged thing Kaint seems to have is electric chakrams which can be evaded, Patians can dodge things faster than herself with her analytical prediction, 2 chakrams will have a tough time hitting her.


Electricity/paralysis gets countered by purification or basic Sahir ability of Affray replication


I see Kaint has more experience but I'm not sure what he has to show for it when Patians has more expansive knowledge of martial arts and weapons, greater perception, greater analytics, greater acrobatics + two different types of body control, can consistently outpace her peers who have similar abilities and thus is one of the most capable Caliber 2 Sahirs despite lacking an Inborn Art of her own

Kaint's moves can be predicted and sensed pretty easily and reliably here, Patians can anticipate what he will try to do and act accordingly, better than Kaint could do for Patians's offense

 

[MintyBoi1]

The 1.4x AP gap is notable but not that significant imo, especially considering Patians upscales from her own value, has durability amps and stronger attacks

The primary ranged thing Kaint seems to have is electric chakrams which can be evaded, Patians can dodge things faster than herself with her analytical prediction, 2 chakrams will have a tough time hitting her.


Electricity/paralysis gets countered by purification or basic Sahir ability of Affray replication


I see Kaint has more experience but I'm not sure what he has to show for it when Patians has more expansive knowledge of martial arts and weapons, greater perception, greater analytics, greater acrobatics + two different types of body control, can consistently outpace her peers who have similar abilities and thus is one of the most capable Caliber 2 Sahirs despite lacking an Inborn Art of her own

Kaint's moves can be predicted and sensed pretty easily and reliably here, Patians can anticipate what he will try to do and act accordingly, better than Kaint could do for Patians's offense

Fair enough, but they’re relative enough to where Kaint could easily cut through Patians.

Kaint still has his precise control of the chakras and was able to hit Cinner who is extremely acrobatic and could handle 70 fighters coming at him with weapons at the start of the series.

The page says she can eject foreign substances from her body, but this is electricity. Would she really be able to eject such a thing? After all, the brain needs a certain amount of electricity to function. And what do you mean by Affray replication?

Patians has more martial arts and weapon skill than any normal human, but the same can be said for Cinner who Kaint beat and who also has skill in striking and grappling. Even UFC fighters can’t beat a knife, but he can beat guns just with a staff or his acrobatic skill. Sure, Patians knows how to use more weapons, but she’s armed with a basic sword which Kaint has experience dealing with and using himself. And Kaint caught Cinner whose acrobatics seem quite similar besides the squishing thing and who can bend his own spine without ill effects plus he can dodge AOE attacks. Perception and analysis are fair, but it’s not like the skill gap is so huge Kaint couldn’t get over it. Kaint also has statements of being more capable than most of his clan which is full of highly trained killers.

Patians is pretty simple as well as admitted in her weaknesses section. Her long range attacks lose most of their power after 3 meters which Kaint should be able to stay out of effectively and her special moves equate to strong and fast sword slash.

 

[ExSENNA]

Fair enough, but they’re relative enough to where Kaint could easily cut through Patians.

Kaint still has his precise control of the chakras and was able to hit Cinner who is extremely acrobatic and could handle 70 fighters coming at him with weapons at the start of the series.

The page says she can eject foreign substances from her body, but this is electricity. Would she really be able to eject such a thing? After all, the brain needs a certain amount of electricity to function. And what do you mean by Affray replication?

Patians has more martial arts and weapon skill than any normal human, but the same can be said for Cinner who Kaint beat and who also has skill in striking and grappling. Even UFC fighters can’t beat a knife, but he can beat guns just with a staff or his acrobatic skill. Sure, Patians knows how to use more weapons, but she’s armed with a basic sword which Kaint has experience dealing with and using himself. And Kaint caught Cinner whose acrobatics seem quite similar besides the squishing thing and who can bend his own spine without ill effects plus he can dodge AOE attacks. Perception and analysis are fair, but it’s not like the skill gap is so huge Kaint couldn’t get over it. Kaint also has statements of being more capable than most of his clan which is full of highly trained killers.

Patians is pretty simple as well as admitted in her weaknesses section. Her long range attacks lose most of their power after 3 meters which Kaint should be able to stay out of effectively and her special moves equate to strong and fast sword slash.

Both can harm each other pretty easily, Kaint can do it a bit easier.

To clarify, a Sahir disciple has better martial arts and weapon than any ordinary human. Patians is a Caliber 2 Sahir. The gap in proficiency between these two is massive (Sahir disciple < Caliber 5 < Caliber 4 < Caliber 3 < Caliber 2. Plus she is one of the most capable Caliber 2 Sahirs, far above the usual, despite her limited capabilies and lack of Inborn Art)

Electricty Kaint will be putting on her is a foreign substance no? Affray replicement is a basic Sahir ability allowing them to replicate functions of their organs with Affray. Like, if there is an issue with nerves, she can use her Affray to do the tasks nerves typically do. If her heart stops, she can use her Affray to replicate functions of a heart.

High-end Caliber 3/baseline Caliber 2 Sahirs have the same acrobatics and body control, she upscales from them in terms of proficiency in acrobatics and agility.

It is pretty significant actually. Patians is just as agile and skilled as Kaint if not more while Kaint has no reliable answer to her senses and predictions. She can dodge AOE attacks as well, those coming from people who have enhanced senses and analytical prediction like she does. She can dodge things straight up faster than herself, any average Caliber 2 can.

Like, she has most things Kaint has. Kaint has higher AP and some more range, things Patians used to fighting against, while she has senses and analytidcal prediction, and instinctive action with Partial Zone, making it very tough for Kaint to land hits on her, while she rushes at him, predicting his moves and sensing him all the while. If this gets to close-range it is even worse for Kaint due to LS difference which is enough for Patians to fold him like paper

 

[MintyBoi1]

Both can harm each other pretty easily, Kaint can do it a bit easier.

To clarify, a Sahir disciple has better martial arts and weapon than any ordinary human. Patians is a Caliber 2 Sahir. The gap in proficiency between these two is massive (Sahir disciple < Caliber 5 < Caliber 4 < Caliber 3 < Caliber 2. Plus she is one of the most capable Caliber 2 Sahirs, far above the usual, despite her limited capabilies and lack of Inborn Art)

Electricty Kaint will be putting on her is a foreign substance no? Affray replicement is a basic Sahir ability allowing them to replicate functions of their organs with Affray. Like, if there is an issue with nerves, she can use her Affray to do the tasks nerves typically do. If her heart stops, she can use her Affray to replicate functions of a heart.

High-end Caliber 3/baseline Caliber 2 Sahirs have the same acrobatics and body control, she upscales from them in terms of proficiency in acrobatics and agility.

It is pretty significant actually. Patians is just as agile and skilled as Kaint if not more while Kaint has no reliable answer to her senses and predictions. She can dodge AOE attacks as well, those coming from people who have enhanced senses and analytical prediction like she does. She can dodge things straight up faster than herself, any average Caliber 2 can.

Like, she has most things Kaint has. Kaint has higher AP and some more range, things Patians used to fighting against, while she has senses and analytidcal prediction, and instinctive action with Partial Zone, making it very tough for Kaint to land hits on her, while she rushes at him, predicting his moves and sensing him all the while. If this gets to close-range it is even worse for Kaint due to LS difference which is enough for Patians to fold him like paper

Right.

That’s a good chain, but Kaint still scales many times above peak humans as well.

I wouldn’t exactly call electricity a substance since I see it as something you ingest. But if Patians can make her muscles work while paralyzed that could mess with it. How fast can she do this, because once Kaint lands a paralysis he’ll immediately go for the kill.

Cinner has mostly the same stuff though. Jumping dozens of feet, easily performing flips and spins, bending in unnatural ways, moving in all terrains, and jumping mid air are all things Kaint has seen or can replicate himself.

Can Patians really predict the chakrams every time though when they move in such varied ways? He can force her to guard one then attack with the other from another direction. Or have a chakram strike her from behind. Her dodging of quicker attacks works on anticipating time and placement of attacks which would be difficult to keep up with two blades constantly shifting angles coming at her. Kaint has experience catching agile foes off guard as well, even while in the air. He also has more leeway to miss with force fields meanwhile Patians can just lower his damage a portion.

Patians also has things Kaint is used to being up against like her sword and agility, and her Instinctive Action only serves to let her automatically attack within 3.43 meters which Kaint will be trying to stay out of. They start at almost double that distance.

 

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[ExSENNA]

Right.

That’s a good chain, but Kaint still scales many times above peak humans as well.

I wouldn’t exactly call electricity a substance since I see it as something you ingest. But if Patians can make her muscles work while paralyzed that could mess with it. How fast can she do this, because once Kaint lands a paralysis he’ll immediately go for the kill.

Cinner has mostly the same stuff though. Jumping dozens of feet, easily performing flips and spins, bending in unnatural ways, moving in all terrains, and jumping mid air are all things Kaint has seen or can replicate himself.

Can Patians really predict the chakrams every time though when they move in such varied ways? He can force her to guard one then attack with the other from another direction. Or have a chakram strike her from behind. Her dodging of quicker attacks works on anticipating time and placement of attacks which would be difficult to keep up with two blades constantly shifting angles coming at her. Kaint has experience catching agile foes off guard as well, even while in the air. He also has more leeway to miss with force fields meanwhile Patians can just lower his damage a portion.

Patians also has things Kaint is used to being up against like her sword and agility, and her Instinctive Action only serves to let her automatically attack within 3.43 meters which Kaint will be trying to stay out of. They start at almost double that distance.

Ok.

Same for Patians and then some.

Faster than it would affect her in a meaningful way.

As I said, much less proficient people have these acrobatics, Patians would obviously be better than them in this regard

Yes she can, she already senses things all around her. Chakrams are not even faster than her here. Attacking from behind isn't an advantage given she would hear it's coming and predict it will happen. Patians have the experience of basically fodderizing agile foes who have more range than Kaint more AOE attacks, and senses with prediction which Kaint lacks. Even if it did land on her, aura + partial damage-reducing aura would together reduce more than half its damage (For example if Kaint was able to land a hit on Patians's arm, Patians would use partial aura to coat her arm and reduce the damage up to half + full aura reducing a portion of it). This is without taking Blooming Allure Cloak into account, not only does she have more than enough ways to evade being hit, she can reliably tank it if she is hit.

The thing is, Kaint is lesser than people Patians fights against due to his lack of senses, predictions, flight, and better ranged options, who Patians can still defeat. Partial Zone is something I bring to imply her defense here, a Wild Cachet hits everything in her Zone at once which would also block Chakrams.