False Six Paths Vs Greatest Hero (Obito Vs Deku) GRACE

[AlternativePrinciple]

Ten Tails Jinchūriki Obito is being used

AP: 200 Teratons to 183.24 Petatons with SoN
Durability: 400 Teratons

Finial War Arc Deku is being used

AP: 42.37 Petatons with Full Cowl to 12.71 Exatons with strongest attack
Durability: 2.54 Exatons

Unequalized speed
SBA
Starting distance: 1 KM

Obito: Ghost, David, Machmatej, xsoulofcinderx, jaynic1, gamecoob, Kazuma_kuwabara, Dark_Soul20189 (8)

Deku: (0)

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

List the ap & dura pls


Dekus profile doesn’t show stat values for durability

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

List the ap & dura pls


Dekus profile doesn’t show stat values for durability

K

 

[DavidTPPM]

Finial War Arc Deku is being used (H6B with Full Cowl)

Deku is H6A not H6B

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Deku is H6A not H6B

Changed to raw values

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Just wanna point out how this same exact match was removed from both profiles

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Just wanna point out how this same exact match was removed from both profiles

do you know why?

 

[DavidTPPM]

That sigma male moment when you epicly forget you already participated in this exact match up

(GRACE) Deku VS Obito

"Deku" Izuku Midoriya VS "Jinchūriki" Obito Uchiha Both in-character Starting Distance: 100m Equalized speed Final War Arc Deku | Jūbi Jinchūriki Obito LOCATION: Deku: Obito: 7 (@Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe, @DavidTPPM, @XSOULOFCINDERX, @Johner2133451, @TsukasayaEmmaDCD, @Bernkastelll...

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[Machmatej]

This is a stomp, guys. Obito has too many insta-win options for Deku to be able to fight back.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

do you know why?

Probably because half of the thread of the OG is just calling the match a stomp?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Stomp FRA

 

[DavidTPPM]

Probably because half of the thread of the OG is just calling the match a stomp?

That doesn't matter on its own. Everyone calls everything a stomp these days because it's a cheap way to avoid an L on a characters profile.

And looking at Dekus 20:0 win lose ratio, I can definitely see this happening here as well.

Deku has several blitz amps and can vape Obito with a single hit while most of Obitos win cons require him hitting Deku (except genjutsu). This shit is NOT a stomp

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Voting Deku for Ko'ing Obito by his facial expression.

Though seriously, I swear I have seen this exact matchup before...

 

[R81handman]

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Stats difference aside, Obito wins 10/10 with Hax stomping. Those Blitz Amps need time to be used. Obito will start protecting himself with a TSO sphere shield, and wait as his IT prep time is done before unleashing it. Deku can't break a TSO it will EE him.

 

[Machmatej]

That doesn't matter on its own. Everyone calls everything a stomp these days because it's a cheap way to avoid an L on a characters profile.

And looking at Dekus 20:0 win lose ratio, I can definitely see this happening here as well.

Deku has several blitz amps and can vape Obito with a single hit while most of Obitos win cons require him hitting Deku (except genjutsu). This shit is NOT a stomp

Sharingan is a counter to blitz amps. And Deku also has to get close to actually one-shot, and he'd have a severe disadvantage up close. This is a stomp.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

make Hagoromo fight Deku instead

 

[DavidTPPM]

Sharingan is a counter to blitz amps.

Except Deku has like 3-4 blitz amps he can stack on top of each other as well as danger sense.

And Deku also has to get close to actually one-shot,

Kid named range

Tens of Kilometers with One For All (At 30% of One For All, his range is superior to 20%, which can create large air blasts and form massive tornadoes hundreds of meters in size. His 45% can generate shock waves big enough to spread across a city. His 100% is strong enough to destroy a storm, as well as create a tornado ten kilometers tall. Comparable to All Might, who could shift the weather of a region), Hundreds of Meters with Blackwhip (The Pinpoint Focus skill managed to reach Lady Nagant from a large distance away) and Smokescreen (Can cover a few city blocks with his smoke while it was raining) | Standard Melee Range, up to Thousands of Kilometers with One For All (His punches can unleash winds so powerful that they dispersed a storm of unprecedented size and cleared the skies across the United States of America), Kilometers with Blackwhip (The tendrils can extend long enough to reach the inner walls of Dark Might's fortress, which is so big it contains several mountains inside. Used Blackchain to lift a huge chunk of land) and Smokescreen (Can generate a smoke cloud the size of Mount Fuji)

Meanwhile Obs loses control over TSO past 70 meters and physically can't even scratch Deku without them

This is a stomp.

Seems like everything is a stomp when Deku loses these days. How else would a kick-punch merchant get a 20:0 win rate

 

[Purgy]

They both have a valid wincon, Obito's is just better and he's more capable of pulling it off, not a stomp imo just a decisive win for Obito.

 

[Machmatej]

Except Deku has like 3-4 blitz amps he can stack on top of each other as well as danger sense.

Deku only has gearshift and faux 100, which needs time to charge up. And speed is unequal so Deku still just isn't reaching Obito.

Seems like everything is a stomp when Deku loses these days. How else would a kick-punch merchant get a 20:0 win rate

No, it's just people doing mental gymnastics to find win conditions against characters who clearly stomp and obliterate Deku. Besides, the last like 5 deku matches I was involved with weren't ever even considered stomps, it was just deku winning.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah I'm voting Obito for the same reasons as in the previous thread

So Deku hits harder but Obito can erase him upon physical contact with TSOs, and eye contact leads to Dekus immediate demise due to genjutsu. And worst case scenario there's paralysis+soul stealing from rinnegan. Oh and if Deku gets a lucky shot Obito heals it up.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Deku only has gearshift and faux 100, which needs time to charge up. And speed is unequal so Deku still just isn't reaching Obito.

Dekus 1st gear, 2nd gear, and top gear are treated as individual massive speed amps and he can use low gear to nerf Obitos speed as well as eventually boost himself by near blitz levels with fajin.

Plus has anapre and danger sense to avoid attacks.

No, it's just people doing mental gymnastics to find win conditions against people who clearly stomp and obliterate Deku. Besides, the last like 5 deku matches I was involved with weren't ever even considered stomps, it was just deku winning.

Dekus win con against Orochi was that, and I quote,

he is blitzing Orochi so hard that Orochi doesn’t even know what’s happening,

Steven?

Deku will just amp his speed as well to blitz steven before he could even react

Spiderman?

blitz one shot fa jin

Tanjiro?

he can use his blitz amp back-to-back

Superman?

Deku uses Gearshift and completely violates him at an absurd blitz level.

Hashiras?

Faux 100% blitzes, Quintuple Detroit Smash is massive AOE

That's the most recent match ups I could see on his profile.

If Deku speed blitzing and one shotting isn't enough to be a "stomp" in his favor then Obito being ever-so-slightly too haxxed is absolutely not a stomp. Not even close to being a stomp actually since he literally needs to physically hit him with most of his hax

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

Yeah I'm voting Obito for the same reasons as in the previous thread

Genuinely how is that not considered a Stomp tho.

Obito can erase him upon physical contact, can heal from any of his attacks (if they ever land to begin with), eye contact is an immediate loss, and the last one I don't remember Obito ever using, nor do i see it landing, but it just seems like deku has nothing he can do here regardless?

 

[Machmatej]

Dekus 1st gear, 2nd gear, and top gear are treated as individual massive speed amps

They're not. They're not speed amps included on his profile, it's literally just gearshift, and that still doesn't make up for the FTL speed Obito upscales from, his perception speed amps, and the BASIC fact that a speed amp can't bump you one speed tier higher, no matter how great the blitz amp is, unless it's a multiplier. Deku can have 10 blitz amps and he still can't breach FTL. But of course, even equalized speed can't help Deku against someone who has far better perception speed amps than his blitz amps

he can use low gear to nerf Obitos speed

Obito is resistant to paralysis, and Obito's truth-seeking orbs can just nullify that.

If Deku speed blitzing and one shotting isn't enough to be a "stomp" in his favor then Obito being ever-so-slightly too haxxed is absolutely not a stomp. Not even close to being a stomp actually since he literally needs to physically hit him with most of his hax

A stomp is when one character doesn't have a win condition. And Obito isn't "ever-so slightly outhaxed", he literally counters everything and has several different instant win options that Deku literally can't prevent no matter what.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Obito FRA

 

[DavidTPPM]

Genuinely how is that not considered a Stomp tho.

Obito can erase him upon physical contact,

So can Deku, except Obitos range is far smaller.

can heal from any of his attacks (if they ever land to begin with),

A single direct blow atomizes Obitos entire body, he can only heal from partial indirect hits.

eye contact is an immediate loss,

Obito doesn't open with genjutsu (especially not from 1km). He'd most likely only use it if he sees his standard techniques don't work.

and the last one I don't remember Obito ever using,

?

nor do i see it landing, but it just seems like deku has nothing he can do here regardless?

Kid named one shotting:

 

[Xaropadob3ta]

This is a stomp >>>>>>

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

So can Deku, except Obitos range is far smaller.

No he can't, his sharingan abilities, speed advantage and preception increase pretty much nullifies all of deku's attacks and potential counter attacks

He literally cannot be hit

A single direct blow atomizes Obitos entire body, he can only heal from partial indirect hits.

a blow which can never land as far as i can tell?

Obito doesn't open with genjutsu (especially not from 1km). He'd most likely only use it if he sees his standard techniques don't work.

Meaning he could use it on the kid he sees moving in slow motion with trivial ease.

Kid named one shotting:

he is on break currently due to obito's hax and speed advantage

 

[DavidTPPM]

They're not. They're not speed amps included on his profile, it's literally just gearshift,

Yes they are

Relativistic+ with Full Cowl (While seriously injured and tired, he was able to take All For One by complete surprise, who can easily avoid a Flashfire blow from Shoto and Endeavor, and was stated to be too fast for most heroes), far higher with 100% (Could battle on par with Complete Shigaraki, whose speed is comparable to All Might at his prime. Stated to be able to travel over 200 kilometers in an instant), even higher with Fa Jin (Able to take Shigaraki by surprise), much higher with Gearshift (His Second Gear blitzed Shigaraki to the point he couldn't perceive his movements, with following gears further improving his speed) and Overlay (Can keep up with the speed of Full Power Shigaraki)

And

Deku rushes toward his opponent and delivers several punches, with each consecutive hit increasing the speed of Gearshift, before sending his opponent flying. These increases in speed are labeled as "gears", with the gears being Second Gear, Third Gear, and Top Gear, the final and fastest speed.

and that still doesn't make up for the FTL speed Obito upscales from,

Deku also massively upscales from his rel+ value which is already about 37% slower than Obitos baseline FTL value.

his perception speed amps, and the BASIC fact that a speed amp can't bump you one speed tier higher, no matter how great the blitz amp is, unless it's a multiplier. Deku can have 10 blitz amps and he still can't breach FTL.

Factually wrong. Deku used to upscale to baseline FTL as well back when the S&S calc was rated at around 0.75c (only around 10ish % higher than now) even without gearshift. Only reason he doesn't anymore is that his value is slightly below the upscale value, and even then it was proposed.

And even that's strictly speaking for indexing purposes. They can upscale you above an FTL character in a vs thread regardless of what they're indexed as on his profile.

Obito is resistant to paralysis, and Obito's truth-seeking orbs can just nullify that.

How would Obitos TSO nullify low gear? And what does paralysis res matter here?

A stomp is when one character doesn't have a win condition.

Again not true. A stomp is when a character has no way of winning. If you have a win con but can't hit the opponent because of speed amps or some hax like kamui then it's still a stomp.

And Obito isn't "ever-so slightly outhaxed", he literally counters everything and has several different instant win options that Deku literally can't prevent no matter what.

Obito literally has 1 win con that requires direct physical contact with his short range orbs and 1 that requires Obito to directly touch Deku.
And genjutsu are which he doesn't start with giving Deku plenty time to one-shot him.

Dekus win con is essentially the same as Obitos main win cons- one shotting, it's just that Dekus comes from the AP advantage while Obitos comes from hax. The only reason Obito wins is that his win con is slightly more versatile

 

[JoeDM021]

This is a stomp and I feel like it was made out of spite cause of how many wins deku has so

Stomp FRA

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

No he can't, his sharingan abilities, speed advantage and preception increase pretty much nullifies all of deku's attacks and potential counter attacks

He literally cannot be hit

And with kilometer range he can't do any shockwave to damage him? Right

 

[GodEarh206]

Gearshift Fa Jin GG's

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

And with kilometer range can't do any shockwave to damage him? Right

Air isn't a good medium for energy transfer with the output rapidlydecreasing/dispersing with distance, weakening the impact the farther it travels.

Even with a massive differential btw deku's output and Obito's durability I highly doubt it would do any serious damage.

And even if it did anything, it would all be healed due to regeneration.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Initially was leaning towards this being a stomp but after seeing David listing wincons from passed threads I’m voting for Non stomp Obito FRA




Gotta be consistent with your standards, if those aren’t stomps this isn’t either, if this is a stomp they should be removed

 

[DavidTPPM]

No he can't, his sharingan abilities, speed advantage

You're aware that on paper Obito is only around 37% faster right? Even a 200% difference isn't enough for blitzing.

and preception increase

Deku has danger sense and analytical prediction himself so while Obitos is clearly better, it's not by such a significant amount that it'd make him untouchable.

pretty much nullifies all of deku's attacks and potential counter attacks

Deku is literally the hard counter here. Him relying mainly on physical attacks completely negates Obitos invulnerability and absorption hax.

A weaker version of Dekus moveset is literally what someone in Naruto used to almost kill what's basically a stronger version of Obito and only failed because the AP difference was smaller than it's here.

He literally cannot be hit

Oh so you'd agree it's the same as half of Dekus Ws on his profile? Neat, means it's not a stomp then.

a blow which can never land as far as i can tell?

Not true.

Meaning he could use it on the kid

If he realizes it's his only chance yeah

he sees moving in slow motion with trivial ease.

"slow motion" and it's a 37% speed difference

he is on break currently due to obito's hax and speed advantage

Deku speed blitzing and one shotting = based and straight to the profile

Deku being 37% slower = omega-super-stomp, completely invalid to add anywhere

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

And even if it did anything, it would all be healed due to regeneration.

It’s not like Obito has low godly regen, you gotta target the brains and it’ll be the end of him

 

[Machmatej]

Yes they are

Those aren't gearshift in different gears. Full Cowl is him equally diverting 100% across his body, Fa Jin is only a speedblitz with Faux 100% when he has time to charge it (in this case, he doesn't), and gearshift isn't divided in different gears as different speed amps on his profile.

Deku also massively upscales from his rel+ value which is already about 37% slower than Obitos baseline FTL value.

And Obito's perception with the Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan massively upscale his baseline speed to the point he can predict and counter opponents who are blitzing him. Alongside other analytical prediction and information analysis to further prevent a blitz. and thus prevent Deku's only win condition.

Factually wrong. Deku used to upscale to baseline FTL as well back when the S&S calc was rated at around 0.75c (only around 10ish % higher than now) even without gearshift. Only reason he doesn't anymore is that his value is slightly below the upscale value, and even then it was proposed.

And even that's strictly speaking for indexing purposes. They can upscale you above an FTL character in a vs thread regardless of what they're indexed as on his profile.

Deku isn't baseline FTL anymore. Just read the rules for equalized speed, please. Deku's win con is blitzing, so if we were trying to call this a stomp because it's a Deku L. like you claimed, this match can't even be added so it would be pointless.

• Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles.
  • As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added.

Again not true. A stomp is when a character has no way of winning. If you have a win con but can't hit the opponent because of speed amps or some hax like kamui then it's still a stomp.

And in this case, Deku indeed has no way of winning since everything gets countered.

How would Obitos TSO nullify low gear? And what does paralysis res matter here?

Gearshift works on a cellular level. Obito has resistance to Paralysis Inducement, Body Puppetry & Possession, which is just a full counter to Deku freezing his cells in place.

Dekus win con is essentially the same as Obitos main win cons- one shotting, it's just that Dekus comes from the AP advantage while Obitos comes from hax. The only reason Obito wins is that his win con is slightly more versatile

Deku's only win-con is speed-blitzing and one-tapping, which is just simply impossible to do here.

 

[Machmatej]

Gotta be consistent with your standards, if those aren’t stomps this isn’t either, if this is a stomp they should be removed

It's a stomp because Deku has no win condition besides blitzing and one-shotting, which is just something that he can't do considering Obito's perception will always be above Deku's amps. And physical contact with Obito is pretty much guaranteed insta-kill. Even glancing at his eyes is an insta-win, which is pretty much guaranteed to be something that Deku would do.

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

You're aware that on paper Obito is only around 37% faster right? Even a 200% difference isn't enough for blitzing.

I was accounting for the mangakeyo sharingan's preception amps.

I don't remember if the rinnegan had any but even a 3 tomoe sharingan allowed sasuke to easily beat up kid naruto due how slow his moves appeared to be and its future sight abilties.

Deku has danger sense and analytical prediction himself so while Obitos is clearly better, it's not by such a significant amount that it'd make him untouchable.

this doesn't really addess Obito's ability to turn intangible, neither danger sens nor analytican prediction can do anything to allow for a successful attack if the enemy can simply negate your attacks by being untouchable, with the MS and his speed advantage he should pretty easily avoid taking any damage no?

Deku is literally the hard counter here. Him relying mainly on physical attacks completely negates Obitos invulnerability and absorption hax.

Obito counters back by just being untouchable.

No ammount of physical attacks will do anything if your opponent simply can't be hit.

A weaker version of Dekus moveset is literally what someone in Naruto used to almost kill what's basically a stronger version of Obito and only failed because the AP difference was smaller than it's here.

Can you remind of this scene?

and if so, Why is obito winning here?

Oh so you'd agree it's the same as half of Dekus Ws on his profile? Neat, means it's not a stomp then.

I have zero clue about the context of those matches, so i will refrain from talking about them..

Not true.

Okay then how are they landing...because i can't see any of them doing so.

"slow motion" and it's a 37% speed difference

Once again, i'm accounting for the sharingan.

Unless i'm overestimating it, in which case feel free to correct me.

It’s not like Obito has low godly regen, you gotta target the brains and it’ll be the end of him

please refer to my previous statements in that post.

Air isn't a good medium for energy transfer with the output rapidlydecreasing/dispersing with distance, weakening the impact the farther it travels.

Even with a massive differential btw deku's output and Obito's durability I highly doubt it would do any serious damage.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Initially was leaning towards this being a stomp but after seeing David listing wincons from passed threads I’m voting for Non stomp Obito FRA




Gotta be consistent with your standards, if those aren’t stomps this isn’t either, if this is a stomp they should be removed

Just gonna say this now. If yall are resorting to using matchups irrelevant to this one then it’s a stomp.

I’m also disappointed how those matchups are also being taken out of context for the sake of painting a narrative of defending this matchup. Especially considering that yall named drop all of my matchups so I know the context of those versus threads well and based off what I just read, no one bothered to read the arguments.

I’ll use Steven as an example. Real crazy how this is being portrayed as a blitz stomp win for Deku when literally almost every single person in that thread agreed that Steven nullified Gearshift with his own blitz amp and even dragged out the fight to OVER 20 minutes, almost killing Deku.

Also another thing. People already tried this weird tactic of trying to nuke half of Deku’s matches by falsely accusing them of being blitz stomps as retaliation over getting an actual stomp removed from his profile. I already prevented all of them from being removed and labeled as blitz stomp wins.

 

[Machmatej]

Just gonna say this now. If yall are resorting to using matchups irrelevant to this one then it’s a stomp.

I’m also disappointed how those matchups are also being taken out of context for the sake of painting a narrative of defending this matchup. Especially considering that yall named drop all of my matchups so I know the context of those versus threads well and based off what I just read, no one bothered to read the arguments.

I’ll use Steven as an example. Real crazy how this is being portrayed as a blitz stomp win for Deku when literally almost every single person in that thread agreed that Steven nullified Gearshift with his own blitz amp and even dragged out the fight to OVER 20 minutes, almost killing Deku.

Also another thing. People already tried this weird tactic of trying to nuke half of Deku’s matches by falsely accusing them of being blitz stomps as retaliation over getting an actual stomp removed from his profile. I already prevented all of them from being removed and labeled as blitz stomp wins.

they're deadass just doing mental gymnastics because they don't want Deku going 20-0. It's kind of sad