F@ck it - A-Train vs Goku [STOMP, thought speed was the way]

[Just_Butchering]

• Emperor Pilaf Saga Goku and Season 1 A-Train are used (Oozaru and Nimbus are restricted, while A-Train gets access to vials of V)​
• Goku scales to 0.744 Tons of TNT, while A-Train scales to 0.428 Tons of TNT, higher with Compound V​
• Goku scales to 29.95 m/s travel speed with 246 m/s combat speed, while A-Train scales to 339 m/s overall speed, 371 m/s with Compound V​
• Goku is 1.74 times stronger (gap lowers with V), while A-Train is 1.38 (1.51 with V) times faster than Goku (in combat, in running he is 11.32-12.39 times faster)​
• Goku is in-character, A-Train is bloodlusted​
• SBA otherwise​

A-Train:

Son Goku: 3 (@MintyBoi1, @LephyrTheRevanchist, @Omegas03)

Inconclusive:[/B]

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Yeah, A-Train is too fast. Don't think Goku can keep up.

 

[Omegas03]

How much of a better fighter Goku is than A Train here? A Train is very likely to abuse the movement speed advantage he has over Goku. I refrain from voting yet.

(Goku likely has a stamina + dura advantage too).

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

How much of a better fighter Goku is than A Train here? A Train is very likely to abuse the movement speed advantage he has over Goku. I refrain from voting yet.

A-Train has 0 experience at this point against someone unironically able to tag and catch him like Goku can here.

Goku also has insane acrobatics here, jumping up to clouds, changing directions mid air, and keep fighting effectively. He also trained and could give fight in sparrings to Gohan, a genius and master of all martial arts.

 

[Omegas03]

ye I am voting Goku FRA if this isn't a stomp hes far better at fighting + more durable and if fight gets long for some reason he aint getting any heart attack (way better stamina).

 

[MintyBoi1]

Goku is way too skilled and intuitive to not be able to catch someone like A-Train who just abuses his speed. Voting Kid Goku

 

[Just_Butchering]

A-Train has 0 experience at this point against someone unironically able to tag and catch him like Goku can here.

"At this point" I don't think he has it later even lol
But that's kinda why I went with Bloodlust and the V for him, to lessen (not remove) his weakness of his cockiness, and so he can better abuse his speed via V

Goku also has insane acrobatics here, jumping up to clouds, changing directions mid air, and keep fighting effectively. He also trained and could give fight in sparrings to Gohan, a genius and master of all martial arts.

While I don't think Gohan was going full serious, a casual sparring more than outskills A-Train's traning.
Vote counted.

ye I am voting Goku FRA if this isn't a stomp hes far better at fighting + more durable and if fight gets long for some reason he aint getting any heart attack (way better stamina).

I feel people get the impression that A-Train is all season on the verge of a heart attack lol. He is sick, but not by that much lol. (Although, do you guys believe S4 A-Train would be better?)

Goku is way too skilled and intuitive to not be able to catch someone like A-Train who just abuses his speed. Voting Kid Goku

Also counted

 

[AThe1412]

Monke FRA.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Goku FRA.

 

[Pyro9278]

Goku FRA

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

The A-Train gets derailed FRA

 

[Jaakor48]

Goku's skill+durability should be too much here
Goku wins

 

[Just_Butchering]

So, technically starting Grace, but ... Do you guys think this is an stomp? Like, Goku wins, but does A-Train have a reliable wincon? Otherwise idk if I can add this LOL

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Probably a skill stomps tbh

 

[Jaakor48]

A stomp implies A-train has no win con, he does, Goku just has better ones

 

[Just_Butchering]

A stomp implies A-train has no win con, he does, Goku just has better ones

Yeah, that's why I was asking what does he has lol
Because, I thought "speed", but if he gets that countered...

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

A stomp implies A-train has no win con, he does, Goku just has better ones

How? It gets countered heavily by;

Goku also has insane acrobatics here, jumping up to clouds, changing directions mid air, and keep fighting effectively. He also trained and could give fight in sparrings to Gohan, a genius and master of all martial arts.

I'd like to see A-Train run on clouds or commit an instant 180 to intercept Goku who's incomparably more skilled here. Can't have a wincon if your opponent has a direct counter, unless you think Goku will give him a chance to catch him which SBA wouldn't allow. Such a mismatch imo ngl

 

[Arkansalter2]

I wonder how this isn't a stomp.
Goku wins.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

I wonder how this isn't a stomp.
Goku wins.

Fr. Goku outskills to oblivion and is insanely acrobatic to the point he outdoes what A-Train can do with a speed advantage.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Yeah, guuess it's an stomp.
How do I get this closed?

 

[Jaakor48]

How? It gets countered heavily by;

I'd like to see A-Train run on clouds or commit an instant 180 to intercept Goku who's incomparably more skilled here. Can't have a wincon if your opponent has a direct counter, unless you think Goku will give him a chance to catch him which SBA wouldn't allow. Such a mismatch imo ngl

I thought having a wincon just means having a way to win, even if your opponent has a way to counter it to stop it from hitting them

 

[Just_Butchering]

I thought having a wincon just means having a way to win, even if your opponent has a way to counter it to stop it from hitting them

The wincon needs to have at least some reliability. If you win only with X, but the opponent counters that, you have nothing.

Or if X is very unlikely/out of character for the fighter to do, then it may also not count.

 

[Jaakor48]

The wincon needs to have at least some reliability. If you win only with X, but the opponent counters that, you have nothing.

Or if X is very unlikely/out of character for the fighter to do, then it may also not count.

I see
Then yea, this is a stomp

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I wasn't voting btw, I was answering a question

Closing