Elder God Demonbane vs The Ultimate gods (Mythos)

[Senkoro]

Can Elder God Demonbane beat The Ultimate Gods in the original Mythos?

 

[Alakabamm]

Probably, considering none are at Yog's level

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Not counting Yog or anybody from the EU, this is a stomp for EGD.

 

[Senkoro]

What does the EU have to do with this?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

What does the EU have to do with this?

Because there are an absurd number of other, strong gods who fall under this category in the EU.

 

[Senkoro]

Can they beat Elder God Demonbane?

 

[FanofRPGs]

Didn't Elder God Demonbane seal away the Ultimate Gods after he defeated Nyarlathotep?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Senkoro

No, though there could probably be a stalemate. There are some in the EU who are supposed to be on equal footing to Yog.

@Fan

He sealed away the court of Azathoth, iirc. So basically yes.

 

[Senkoro]

Didn't Elder God Demonbane seal away Azathoth as well within the Shining Trapehedron?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Didn't Elder God Demonbane seal away Azathoth as well within the Shining Trapehedron?

Sleeping Azathoth not fighting back isn't even close to the same as awakened Azathoth actively using its powers.

 

[Senkoro]

Isn't that contradictory to the definition of an omnipotent? An omnipotent should be able to do anything regarldess if they were awake or asleep.

If they are constricted to action while awake that kind of counters the argument of them being omnipotent.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

This implies Azathoth was sealed against its will as opposed to simply not caring, which is false.

Also, were this used to say Demonbane Azathoth is not omnipotent, all it would do is state that DMB Azathoth < Mythos Azathoth, which is pointless here, because this is EGD vs Mythos characters.

 

[Senkoro]

Then how come we know with such certainty that EGD can defeat the Ultimate Gods who are just below Yog, but not any character that is Yog's equal or greater?

Isn't that implying that Yog from Demonbane is the same as Yog in the Mythos?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

No, but they're both High 1-A entities, whereas it is unlikely any of the original canon Ultimate Gods are.

 

[Senkoro]

Is the Namless Mist considered apart of the court of Azathoth? Didn't Elder God Demonbane seal off all the other gods except Yog Sothoth, and considering that the Namless mist created Yog doesn't that mean he's stronger?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

1. We don't know enough about the Nameless Mist to say that, for sure. We can just say they're on even footing, and we don't know if the Mist is sentient.

2. There is no Nameless Mist in Demonbane. Demonbane is not the exact same as the Mythos (obviously).

 

[Senkoro]

Still if Demonbane can seal a tier 0, doesn't that mean that he should be logically able to seal a tier 1? It means he can take on others that are close to his level of existence. Demonbane didn't fight Yog because he didn't have to, but if he could seal Azathoth, doesn't that mean he should be logically able to seal Yog?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Again.

You are assuming this was done to a tier 0 against its will by overpowering it or something, but this is not the case.

 

[Senkoro]

Was it stated that Azathoth wanted to be sealed? Even if he didn't care, it still meant he didn't didn't lend Demonbane a weapon for the sole purpose of sealing him.

Also wasn't it state that Demonbane would survive Azathoth's awakening? Not even Yog can do that.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Was it stated that Azathoth wanted to be sealed? Even if he didn't care, it still meant he didn't didn't lend Demonbane a weapon for the sole purpose of sealing him.
Also wasn't it state that Demonbane would survive Azathoth's awakening? Not even Yog can do that.

I never said he wanted to be sealed. I said he didn't care. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about a VN I'm not sure if you've read.

No, it wasn't. That quote seems to be taken out of context. Also, by that same logic, it's never said that Azathoth's awakening would get rid of Yog in particular.

 

[FanofRPGs]

I am reading (Well trying too, damn Nicovideo crashed when I found the videos and won't be fixed for days) Demonbane 2, and this is off topic, but when does Elder God Demonbane seal the court of Azathoth? Is it a statement, or was it shown that he did that?

 

[Senkoro]

Have you finished reading Demonbane?

What do you mean by out of context? And doesn't Azathoth's awakening destroy all of reality?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Have you finished reading Demonbane?
What do you mean by out of context? And doesn't Azathoth's awakening destroy all of reality?

Yes, I have actually read Demonbane, though my experience with DMB 2 was a while ago.

Azathoth's awakening in Demonbane (or at least in Blasterz and DYN Freaks) is portrayed differently than in the mythos. Reality begins to crumble and collapse, as opposed to in the original mythos, wherein everything would simply no longer be there immediately, as it was just Azathoth's dream. Of course, in the original Demonbane series, Azathoth never wakes up. Nor does he in the mythos.

 

[Senkoro]

Actually I was asking Fan of RPGs, but okay then.

Even if reality begins to crumble and collapse, isn't the end result the same though? How would Demonbane Survive if it happens slowly rather than quickly?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Actually I was asking Fan of RPGs, but okay then.
Even if reality begins to crumble and collapse, isn't the end result the same though? How would Demonbane Survive if it happens slowly rather than quickly?

Ah, okay.

Yes, but that wasn't the point. The point was that the quote does not refer directly to Demonbane.

 

[Senkoro]

Then who was it refering to?

 

[Promestein]

Are you talking about that poem thing or whatever where it mentions that Azathoth can't destroy something?

It refers to the story, I think.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

It's not a "who".

There's a reason Matthew was doing everyone a favor by doing blog posts with a summary of Demonbane. It's one of those things that's incredibly annoying to explain if you haven't read it before, or at least a cliffnotes version or something.

 

[Senkoro]

The story?

 

[Senkoro]

Is this one of those translation things?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Ehhhh for some of it. For other parts, it's because the story can be all over the place.

 

[Senkoro]

Is the idea that Demonbane's story can't be destroyed by Azathoth then?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Sort of. More the story of the world, which Demonbane is a character in.

 

[Senkoro]

The main story, not the stories of Athleta right?

Does that mean that Yog will survive as well? But if that's the case then that pretty much includes all of reality. Does that mean Azathoth waking does nothing then?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

No, not quite.

Again, it's kind of hard to explain without proper context.

 

[Jockey-1337]

Ultimate Gods stomp. There are infinite 1-A outer gods in Cthulhu Mythos whereas Demonbane-verse has finite amount of them.

 

[Jockey-1337]

@Senkoro
No, though there could probably be a stalemate. There are some in the EU who are supposed to be on equal footing to Yog.

@Fan

He sealed away the court of Azathoth, iirc. So basically yes.

"He sealed away the court of Azathoth, iirc. So basically yes."


Demonbane Court of Azathoth =/= Mythos Court of Azathoth. These things are from different fictional universes, there are no evidences to say "Demonbane Court has infinite 1-As".

 

[Jockey-1337]

In quality original Outer Gods > Demonbane Outer Gods also. They are bigger:


"The main body of the beings inhabits strangely organized abysses wholly beyond the utmost reach of any human imagination. The space-time globule which we recognize as the totality of all cosmic entity is only an atom in the genuine infinity which is theirs."

 

[Alakabamm]

Demonbane is at least an infinity above 1-A normally

 

[Jockey-1337]

Demonbane is at least an infinity above 1-A normally

Proofs?