Dragon Ball and the Unknown tier questions

[Ednaxel2]

Dragon Ball
Why aren't multipliers used for lifting strength for Dragon Ball? I can understand how travel speed can make the scaling more confusing but why can't we do multiplier chains for lifting strength like we do for AP and Combat Speeds?

Unknown Tier
If character A has Unknown speed and character B has Hypersonic speed, can we say character B has the speed advantage since we know his value or can we not compare them because we don't know the value of the other one? Or how about when character A has Unknown speed and character B had Below Average Human speed, is character B faster, is character A faster, or can we not compare either one?

 

[Saqphire]

Agree on the LS part. For the characters with unknown speed, I think you just can’t compare the speeds of either character

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I don't know why we don't use multipliers for lifting strength but it might be because we separate that from ap and they don't showcase a noticeable change in that area when they transform?.

As for the second question, if the characters speed is unknown and we have nothing to go on such as them being comparable to a fast character then yes, I do think we treat the hypersonic speed character as faster but that's solely due to unknown speed rather then the exact knowledge that they are faster.. As for the second scenario, if the character with unknown speed still could run or even walk in a similar capacity to that of a human, then yes we'd consider them faster than the below average human speed character because even if we don't know the exact value, they'd be average by just moving like a normal person. Now if the character who has unknown speed never moved, never used an ability or acted then you can't compare the two because we have to many unknowns.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

This thread should be in Q&A

 

[Ednaxel2]

This thread should be in Q&A

My mistake I thought I posted in QnA

 

[Ednaxel2]

I don't know why we don't use multipliers for lifting strength but it might be because we separate that from ap and they don't showcase a noticeable change in that area when they transform?.

We see notable changes in LS in og db, like when Goku before Roshi's training was around Class 25 and post training he was Class K, then Tao Pai Pai being able to perform a greater Class K feat (several times greater than Goku's feat) more easily. It's already accepted in the Ki Manipulation page for DB "Manipulating and increasing the ki in the body amplifies statistics, such as strength, overall power" and in the notes section for the verse page "larger ki means greater statistics – statistics such as strength and overall power" that the stronger the characters is the greater strength/overall power they then gain, even using the example of Kaio-ken for this which straight up multiplies power

 

[Ednaxel2]

I would make a CRT if there weren't already 3 going on

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I moved this to the questions board

 

[LordGriffin1000]

We see notable changes in LS in og db, like when Goku before Roshi's training was around Class 25 and post training he was Class K, then Tao Pai Pai being able to perform a greater Class K feat (several times greater than Goku's feat) more easily. It's already accepted in the Ki Manipulation page for DB "Manipulating and increasing the ki in the body amplifies statistics, such as strength, overall power" and in the notes section for the verse page "larger ki means greater statistics – statistics such as strength and overall power" that the stronger the characters is the greater strength/overall power they then gain, even using the example of Kaio-ken for this which straight up multiplies power

Then I can't think of any reason we don't use it.

 

[AwkguyDB]

I agree they should be used and we should scale

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I think we should use this.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

We see notable changes in LS in og db, like when Goku before Roshi's training was around Class 25 and post training he was Class K, then Tao Pai Pai being able to perform a greater Class K feat (several times greater than Goku's feat) more easily. It's already accepted in the Ki Manipulation page for DB "Manipulating and increasing the ki in the body amplifies statistics, such as strength, overall power" and in the notes section for the verse page "larger ki means greater statistics – statistics such as strength and overall power" that the stronger the characters is the greater strength/overall power they then gain, even using the example of Kaio-ken for this which straight up multiplies power

Tao pai pai's pillar throw has been updated, it's actually Class M

 

[Ednaxel2]

Tao pai pai's pillar throw has been updated, it's actually Class M

damn major upgrade

 

[AwkguyDB]

Damn so where would we be scaling up from that multipler wise

 

[StrymULTRA]

Isn't the LS unknown because the verse being extremely inconsistent from that regard? Gravity being amplified of hundreds of times shouldn't even bother Vegeta enough to the point of being training for him if they were that high, Yamcha almost died in the gravity room as well.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Isn't the LS unknown because the verse being extremely inconsistent from that regard? Gravity being amplified of hundreds of times shouldn't even bother Vegeta enough to the point of being training for him if they were that high, Yamcha almost died in the gravity room as well.

There is not an inconsistent LS in DBZ but a consistent gap between normal lifting strength and sustained weight training, shown time and time again, same way there is a gap between combat speed and sustained travel speed.

 

[Padaruyos]

I'll try to cook up an LS blog using multipliers and see where that gets us