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Dr. Clef Vs Ainz

Clef's defensive plot manip mind of... rids Ainz of most of his options, cause none of his main options or magic would exactly be a satisfying conclusion...

But good God you put a dude with some hard-core passive power null and EE on supernatural stuff on a dude who's almost entirely supernatural, like, wow. You sure you didn't use The wrong character? Because yes, this key of Clef is equally as bad as throwing a culexus assassin at ainz, cause you need a 100% natural thing to throw at him, which Ainz is exactly not that.

Also doesn't help that even the other keys of Clef wear Telekill armor that, I know anything bout SCP, Ainz can't get around, or, he just throws death manipulation- except that doesn't work because of the plot manipulation and you start to see why this match doesn't work.

Edit: oh. And you also gave Clef prior knowledge and prep. You gave an SCP Researcher prior knowledge and prep. You know how many different ways that lets Clef stomp Ainz? Don't give prep to any SCP researchers unless, you know, it's something as skewed of a smurf as Nyarlathotep or Archaon.
 
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DaReaperMan said:
Clef's defensive plot manip mind of... rids Ainz of most of his options, cause none of his main options or magic would exactly be a satisfying conclusion...

But good God you put a dude with some hard-core passive power null and EE on supernatural stuff on a dude who's almost entirely supernatural, like, wow. You sure you didn't use The wrong character? Because yes, this key of Clef is equally as bad as throwing a culexus assassin at ainz, cause you need a 100% natural thing to throw at him, which Ainz is exactly not that.

Also doesn't help that even the other keys of Clef wear Telekill armor that, I know anything bout SCP, Ainz can't get around, or, he just throws death manipulation- except that doesn't work because of the plot manipulation and you start to see why this match doesn't work.

Edit: oh. And you also gave Clef prior knowledge and prep. You gave an SCP Researcher prior knowledge and prep. You know how many different ways that lets Clef stomp Ainz? Don't give prep to any SCP researchers unless, you know, it's something as skewed of a smurf as Nyarlathotep or Archaon.
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Wait so Clef kinda wins or...? Cause I saw all this

Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception, Master Swordsmanship, Preparation, Magic, Magic Constructs (Can create weapons, armor, arrows, etc.), Limited Magic Modification, Danmaku, Elemental Manipulation (Fire, Ice, Lightning, Wind, Darkness, Light, likely more), Holy Manipulation, Poison Manipulation, Hell Flame Manipulation, Time Stop, Spatial Manipulation, Durability Negation (Reality Slash cleaves through the fabric of space while also ignoring magical defenses[1]), Negative Energy Manipulation and Projection (heals undead and drains the stats of the living, eventually paralyzing them), Gravity Manipulation (With Gravity Maelstrom), Death Manipulation, Immortality Negation (Type 4; Ainz can use the Instant Death spell True Death, which negates resurrection[2]), Soul Manipulation, Bone Manipulation, Pseudo-Black Hole Creation, Forcefield Creation, Healing (Healing spells heal the living, Negative Energy heals the undead), Necromancy, Immortality (Types 1 and 7), Creation, Absorption, Power Mimicry (With Dark Wisdom, he can initiate a ritual to learn a spell from the corpse of another), Invisibility (Can use Complete Invisibility, as well as Perfect Unknowable, which also removes one's traces and sound[3]), Stealth Mastery, Teleportation, Telepathy, Telekinetic Fixation, Flight, Explosion Manipulation, Power Nullification (Ultimate Disturb stops the target from casting spells while also raising their resistance to magic. The Staff of Ainz Ooal Gown can use Dimensional Lock, which prevents the use of transfer magic such as teleportation. Has an unnamed Anti-Magic spell), Enemy Summoning Nullification, Statistics Amplification (strength, speed, resistances, luck, etc), Resurrection (Can resurrect others. One of his rings allows him to resurrect at least once), Summoning, Spiritual Awareness, Night Vision, Magic Vision, Aura, Portal Creation, Limited Intangibility (Having a resistance to Movement Hindrances/Physical Impediments allows one to pass through restricting material such as a net), Homing Attacks, Invulnerability (Unaffected by non-magical attacks, though environmental damage such as an avalanche circumvents it.[4][5] All physical attacks from those under level 60 are nullified. Unaffected by piercing damage, such as being stabbed), Reality Warping (With "Wish Upon A Star"), Power Absorption (Ainz could use Wish Upon a Star to steal Nfirea’s Talent), Statistics Reduction (Can reduce the strength and speed of opponents with each touch), Dimensional Storage, Clairvoyance, Transformation, Transmutation, Information Analysis (With spells such as Life Essence, Mana Essence, Enemy Scan, All Appraisal Magic Item, and more), Information Manipulation (Can use False Data: Life and False Data: Mana to fake his HP and MP respectively), Illusion Creation, Mind Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Despair Aura IV inflicts permanent insanity on a foe), Paralysis Inducement, Regeneration Negation, Resistance Negation (The metamagic enhancement Penetrate Magic can allow one to penetrate resistances. Has skills that boost some of his abilities to overcome weaker resistances, and The Goal of All Life is Death allows Ainz to ignore any types of resistance to his Instant-Death magic - even immunities or immortality, killing everything from the oxygen in the air to the ground itself), Non-Physical Interaction (Can cause damage to intangible and incorporeal targets), Damage Boost, Status Effect Inducement, Self-Sustenance (All Types), Social Influencing (Is noted to be extremely charismatic and regularly makes people overestimate his intelligence, though this is entirely unintentional and usually unknown to him. His charisma made Neia Baraja incredibly worshipful of him)
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Kirinator07 said:
Wait so Clef kinda wins or...? Cause I saw all this
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Those are spells or generally supernatural. This is second key Clef who's a Reality Sink. A damn powerful one. Ainz's body is supernatural. He's literally going to be slowly EE'd as he can't do shit, or Clef gets a bunch of reality anchors and strews them about, Ainz can't do anything about Reality Anchors. Or Clef just walks in with several armies of folks who specifically **** people like Ainz. Or like five dozen other things cause giving him prep gives him access to literally everything in the Foundation's arsenal, including things like dropping SCP-682 in with Clef.
 
TBH I gave up on this one a long ass time ago-why y’all always show up mad late and never when I’m actively bumping things?
 
Kirinator07 said:
So what do we consider supernatural in a character? Just wanna know
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When it comes to characters like Clef and a Culexus Assassin, just, generally being a supernatural thing is enough, the power needs to be 100% natural to really work, This guy is a VERY good example, im pretty sure he actually BEAT a culexus assassin in a match, because he's 100% natural.
 
DaReaperMan said:
When it comes to characters like Clef and a Culexus Assassin, just, generally being a supernatural thing is enough, the power needs to be 100% natural to really work, This guy is a VERY good example, im pretty sure he actually BEAT a culexus assassin in a match, because he's 100% natural.
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So someone like Yumiya was able to beat Clef due to some of her abilities being natural while the rest of her hax was nullified by Clef's Anti-Supernatural kit.
 
From DontTalk
While Rakko is an esper, her esper ability is unknown. The subjective reality and quantum manipulation stuff is just what "is an esper" translates to in ToAru. They are mere technicalities.
Basically, Clef's spatial manip and EE only work on Rakko's ability. The very ability Rakko doesn't use anyways. So it really doesn't factor into the fight for either of them.
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So at that point, it would be Rakko's enhanced senses and stealth that would've given her the win but they didn't mention Clef's mind hax.
 
Depends on skill at that point, if they're on Agent Ukelele then he's S T U P I D skilled and probably would've won a skill contest, but doesn't have reality sink shit
 
Has she fought someone who's mastered every martial art and then some that can also swat bullets out of the sky and solo entire highly trained and "professional" task forces with nothing but a nerf sword? Cause yeah. 076-2 does that. Guess who Ukelele fights
 
DaReaperMan said:
Has she fought someone who's mastered every martial art and then some that can also swat bullets out of the sky and solo entire highly trained and "professional" task forces with nothing but a nerf sword? Cause yeah. 076-2 does that. Guess who Ukelele fights
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Isn't that the key that's without the Katusverse features? However, Dr. Clef has fought Dr. Kondraki who also scales to SCP-076. So the long answer is a hard no, Rekko would've been bodied hard if there was more emphasis on his skill.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Has she fought someone who's mastered every martial art and then some that can also swat bullets out of the sky and solo entire highly trained and "professional" task forces with nothing but a nerf sword? Cause yeah. 076-2 does that. Guess who Ukelele fights
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Oh and by "some" I think you mean extensive mastery of most if not all martial arts not native to earth.
 
Kirinator07 said:
Isn't that the key that's without the Katusverse features? However, Dr. Clef has fought Dr. Kondraki who also scales to SCP-076. So the long answer is a hard no, Rekko would've been bodied hard if there was more emphasis on his skill.
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Yes, Katsuverse is where Clef is a reality sink, he just has telekill in the other keys.

Kondraki is a weird case, since he won through really specific rules and the like if I recall.
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Oh and by "some" I think you mean extensive mastery of most if not all martial arts not native to earth.
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Yeah basically lol
 
Kirinator07 said:
Hmm, Archaon, the 1-A 40K smurfy guy, yeah I wonder how Clef can handle him?
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A. Necro(Dead stomp match of all ****** things)

B. Archaon just hits him over the head with the Slayer of kings or some other physical attack if magic for some reason doesn't work.
 
DaReaperMan said:
A. Necro(Dead stomp match of all ****** things)

B. Archaon just hits him over the head with the Slayer of kings or some other physical attack if magic for some reason doesn't work.
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1. Guiltiness rejected, requested for thread to be closed soon after.

2. Not even plot/reality warp will save this one.
 
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