DmC Reboot Downgrade Thread 3 - It Ain’t Time Manipulation Donte

[Qawsedf234]

Also gravity can't just, you know, halt your movements that way (at least that I know of). Occam's razor says it should be time stop or something like that idk

Occam's Razor is that the result with the least amount of assumptions is correct. The result requiring the least amount of assumptions is telekinesis or gravity manipulation, as the people can still visibly move, and time manipulation is never mentioned within the power.

So for the OP, I'm fine with the power removal/change.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

So the vote only counting mods is
Agree: @Drite77 , @Random-Helper323 , @Duedate8898 , @Vietthai96 , @Qawsedf234

It seems that the current consensus is:

• No to Time Manipulation
• Yes to Gravity Manipulation with Telekinesis and Status Effect Inducement

Please reply if anything is wrong
Edit: Obviously, Dante keeps his resistance to Time Manipulation, and he should have resistance to Gravity Manipulation, Telekinesis, and Status Effect Inducement as he like his brother Vergil who is completely unaffected by DT

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Again, do you have any statement from a reliable source indicating its a time stop? Because all the statements we do have point towards Localized Gravity Manip with TK.

Like I said, we don't need statements when we have visuals.

See what I have said in the first line. I find it difficult to compromise on a "possibly" when all official statements point to only Gravity Manip with the visuals being to ambiguous to point one way or the other.
Although there is an argument for Conceptual Manip Type 3 since Vergil destroyed stuff such as Self-Doubt in Vergil's Downfalll

Same point as above.

There are many ways to suspend enemies movement, not just Time Stop could so that


Yeah, this isn't Time Stop, the enemy still getting moved with get hit. Time Slow isn't either because the new enemy just casually jump out of the ground with normal speed, and the enemy who got hit back in the ground move normally

So this is just some kinds of whacky game mechanic. Trying to "translate" this into a power in our wiki, the best i could see is Gravity Manipulation as it lift enemies to the ir and stop them from dropping down due to normal gravity, though it having weakness of not affecting new enemy who jump in or get dragged to the ground

Like I said in comments before, this thing apparently stops working when Dante hits the enemies, same thing happens with this one.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Alright, since no one seemed to disagree the following changes will be applied:

• Remove Time Manipulation from Donte
• Removal Resistance of Time Manipulation from Vergin.
• Addition of Gravity Manipulation, Telekinesis and Status Effect Inducement for Donte's DT
• Addition of Resistance to Time Manipulation for Donte
• Addition Time Manipulation via Hell Gate for Mundus, as he is never shown affecting time without it

 

[Random-Helper323]

Do any inanimate objects slow down via DT? That'd support time slow, since it's hard to stun an object. It does have some kind of basis, since Mondis was able to use time hax and the DT ability was clearly inspired by Quicksilver from DMC3 as repeatedly talked about by the journalists at the time.

I'm not disagreeing, I'd just rather be thorough.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Do any inanimate objects slow down via DT? That'd support time slow, since it's hard to stun an object.

No, you can see here in the Gif

When the new enemy show up that the debris from the ground moves just fine

 

[Random-Helper323]

No, you can see here in the Gif

When the new enemy show up that the debris from the ground moves just fine

Really? The debris in the GIF kind of seems slow, although it noticeably slows down as the demon does. It even hangs in the air for a moment.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Really? The debris in the gif kind of seems slow, although it noticeably slows down as the demon does. It even hangs in the air for a moment.

Could be the gif itself. Give me until the end of the day and I'll upload a better one.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Could be the gif itself. Give me until the end of the day and I'll upload a better one.

Take your time. I'm not trying to naysay or anything, I'd just rather be thorough given this completely reassesses this ability's basic function.

Also, it makes lesser demons float, but what about stronger ones, like bosses? What happens to them?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Take your time. I'm not trying to naysay or anything, I'd just rather be thorough given this completely reassesses this ability's basic function.

Also, it makes lesser demons float, but what about stronger ones, like bosses? What happens to them?

 

[Random-Helper323]

The fact that the gunk stuff seems to keep floating upwards even further than the demon itself does support gravity hax.

What does this ability do to bosses or larger enemies?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

The fact that the gunk stuff seems to keep floating upwards even further than the demon itself does support gravity hax.

What does this ability do to bosses or larger enemies?

Nothing.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Nothing.

Nothing at all, you say? So other than boosting stats, this thing only floats weak enemies?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Nothing at all, you say? So other than boosting stats, this thing only floats weak enemies?

Yep

 

[Random-Helper323]

That'd mean the stronger characters had resistance to it if nothing else.

Edit: yeah, this looks like a stun Status Effect Inducement and either gravity or telekinesis.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

That'd mean the stronger characters had resistance to it if nothing else.

Edit: yeah, this looks like a stun Status Effect Inducement and either gravity or telekinesis.

I just included both for safety. Regardless, since the changes have been applied, this can be closed

 

[ShroobWasTaken]

I vote for agree on the downgrade specifically to change it to; Status Effect Inducement Stun and Gravity

 

[AThe1412]

Next thing you should do is downgrade Donte and Vergin's regen.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Actually, the DT seems to be used to affect Limbo itself. Something about his scream doing something to Limbo? Could it be some kind of limited reality hax? I guess that'd still fit with gravity though.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Since the changes have been applied, this thread can be closed.

 

[Duedate8898]

Closing