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Castlevania Speed Revision

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Hello Vampire Hunters

So, recently I was taking a good look at Castlevania's profiles, to see if one of them could fight Dante from DMC without being a stomp for one side, and I noticed a problem, a big one, actually, about their speed. Currently, they all scale to Paranoia, but the fact is that this isn't enough to be FTL, let me explain:

Paranoia is a boss in Dawn of Sorrow that can, indeed, fire lasers which travels at the speed of light, however, Paranoia himself doesn't scale to this, he have a Lightspeed attack, but he doesn't move at such speeds, look at some descriptions about him, none of them states that he actually moves at the same speed of his Laser Beam. And yeah you can avoid the laser with Soma, I'll talk about this soon.

Here is their fight, as you can see, Paranoia doesn't move with his beams, in gameplay his speed is comparable to Soma's, and he can enter the mirrors, and so can Soma after defeating him

But Dante, in game we can dodge his Laser beam as Soma

Yeaaah, kinda.

It's a of the fact that you know from where the laser will come and his actual speed, since Soma does moves in a comparable speed to the beam, he can react to it, and this was actually calculated, and I don't know why this isn't linked in his profile for at least a supporting feat, but is similar to many laser dodging feats in this wiki, the characters who fought against these types of attack aren't scale to FTL out of nowhere, they Always have a calc, like people from DCEU, who can react to Superman's Laser, but none of them are FTL or even Lightspeed

Here is the calculatio

As you guys can see, the results from Soma's actual speed are Relativistic, and from the same video we can compare Paranoia's speed to his own laser beam and find some values that would scale to the bosses

So, my suggestion is to Downgrade them to "At least Relativistic" based on Darkanine's calc, it scales to Dracula, Belmonts and people on this level since it is a casual feat from Soma. They also have many spells based on light that we can try some calcs

But what about Chaos feat of moving galaxies ?

Well, it isn't accepted here, for now at least, and I'm neutral about it, but if it is rejected for whatever reasons and Paranoia is the only feat, they should be downgraded.
 
That calc you linked needs to be evaluated first before it can be used in profiles.

As for the actual revisions, I'm neutral the aim dodging might as well be game mechanics.
 
Actually there is no aim dodging there, Soma reacts to it because of his speed

I was going to cut that from the OP
 
Actively keeping up with a character who's attacks are almost all focused on light reflecting on mirrors should count for FTL speeds There is also Medusa in PoR which can produce a wave of petrifying light from her gaze and obviously Jonathan and Charlotte can react to it which should make it consistent. Relativistic makes even less sense if you take it from said feat
 
Then ask a calculation for Medusa tho

Paranoia can only fire Lasers and Soma's reaction was calculated at Relativistic, by comparing his speed to the Laser

There is no justification for FTL based on this, but off course we have any feats against light that should be higher than Relativistic
 
That's just ridiculous, Paranoia entire gimmick is that he redirects and controls his Light beam via his mirrors. It's a different thing dodging a single laser beam in fiction than fighting a character who only fights with lasers

This is also ignoring a Castle speed feat i found recently which spins stars and planets inside it, which is consistent with the Chaos feat. So yeah FTL Castlevania isn't going anywhere
 
"Ridiculous"...excuse me ?

Anyway, that's how it works, someone fires light against you, you react to it, the calc will find your speed, in Soma's case is Relativistic, we only see Paranoia firing laser beams and nothing more

You can have FTL feats based on whatever you find, but based on Paranoia it doesn't make sense, just ask calcs tho
 
Dante Demon Killah said:
"Ridiculous"...excuse me ?
It is when you are proposing to downgrade the entire verse even though there are numerous FTL feats. Medusa's light gaze, the Castle moving planets and stars, possibly the ecplise, Chaos.

Also i'm pretty sure you can be faster than Paranoia's beam via the Black Panther soul too, so that point is moot too
 
It's literally in the op, I'm against FTL for Paranoia, not for another FTL feats...but instead of reading it, you need to call me ridiculous huh ? Which is a shame, I expected more from you

Than "FTL with X ability", simple, or we can also calc it based on the Laser speed

If there so many FTL feats, ask calcs for them, that's the third time I say this to you
 
Then why make the thread at all and not specifically make this point in the already existing Castlevania CRT if you agree with FTL Castlevania? This seems incredibly random and out of nowhere when it can be talked about easily
 
I made this because I'm against FTL for Paranoia, but other FTL feats are fine if they exist

Then what you do ? If you know another feats, try to list them here without calling others ridiculous, because this is a REVISION thread for their speed, not a necessary Downgrade

Also, it would be good since we can see them, if they are valid or not, and then ask a calculation
 
Asking for calcs can take a ton of time, besides i don't see anything wrong with the Paranoia feat since it was already accepted in the past and its a fodder character, ignoring Medusa. It's a nice lowball for normally MFTL or Infinite speed feats. Again why does this need a seperate thread when there is already one for general revisions?
 
It's better in this way, we can talk about speed and only speed

I disagree with you about Paranoia, my arguments are in the OP, also, the calc is less than 50% of Lightspeed, a Lowball can't just jump to FTL, it's a big gap

Can you show me those FTL feats ?
 
I already listed them to you above lol, Medusa, the eclipse, the castle etc. Also the calc doesn't mention anywhere it being Relativistic, besides having literally no evaluations and being 2 years old. Also you ignored the fact that you can be way faster than base speed via Black Panther, which the calc also doesn't take into account
 
I didn't ignored, I literally said that it should be "Higher with Black Panther"

What proves that Medusa's attacks are real light ? It's not that easy to prove, we have Standards for that. Any link ?

Can you show me a link to the Castle's feat ?

What eclipse ? From Aria of Sorrow ? We already have a calc for that and it isn't FTL

The calc result is Relativistic for Soma. If everything that you said gets rejected, I'll ask a new one
 
Medusa: Just watch the boss battle from PoR, literally a gigantic light beam

Castle: It's on my CRT which you seem to be against talking on

Eclipse: Relativistic? Where?

Dodging/maneuvering around a Light beam is FTL, don't know why this is hard to grasp on Paranoia
 
Except by the part where the calc (that takes Soma's speed) result is Relativistic, not FTL, not FTL+ and not Relativistic+

Medusa's beam is even stated to be Lightspeed ? And even with this, it isn't enough, there are many standards to be accepted as as Real Light that travels at the speed of light

I'll take a look at the Castle

And I didn't said that the eclipse was Relativistic lol
 
>Result is Relativistic

>Literally nowhere does it say Relativistic on the calc

Being fast enough to dodge a Beam of Light is FTL by definition, how often do i need to say this?
 
Makes no sense, dodging Light speed attacks which Paranoia spams is FTL and at bare minimum reaction speed.
 
Tell that to Darkanine who literally took the speed of the beam, considering Speed of Light for it, and calculated Soma's speed with it, while Soma is dodging it

Relativistic

However, a new version of the calc should be fine
 
I'm highly skeptical that dodging Lightspeed attacks casually from a character who spams said attacks isn't FTL.
 
And yes i agree that things obviously need to be recalced with the Castle feat taken in consideration, because it would make MFTL Castlevania consistent
 
I'm highly skeptical that dodging Lightspeed attacks casually from a character who spams said attacks isn't FTL.

I never saw him spaming Lasers, he fight you on close combat and sometimes he enters the mirrors to fire those lasers, "spam" is a little too much

Also, we have many feats of dodging lasers going into Sub Rel, Sub Rel+, Rel and Rel+

Wonder Woma

Link and other characters from Zelda

Noctis in Final Fantasy

You wanna tell me Paranoia is faster than Drac?

No, I don't want it, why ? Paranoia have a Lightspeed attack, sure, and Soma can react to it going on Relativistic speeds, Drac scales to Soma physically and he's also able to use Light based spells just like Paranoia. Having a single attack that is faster doesn't mean that you are faster, since it doesn't scale to your physical speed

And yes i agree that things obviously need to be recalced with the Castle feat taken in consideration, because it would make MFTL Castlevania consistent

Yes, if the castle feat is considered valid by the admins, that's our best bet, and Chaos feat, off course
 
No offense but given the cosmology of how Castlevania works, it makes 0 sense for Dracula to be slower than Paranoia.
 
I didn't said that, Matt

Paranoia only have one move that goes at Light Speed which is the Laser, he doesn't scale to the beam, also there some characters that can attack with light based spells

Dracula, Belmonts and etc should scale to the calc which is Relativistic going by Soma's speed in relation to the beam
 
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