Carnivores Minor Revisions

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Full credit to SpikeTheEditor for carrying out the calculation that made this thread possible.

This will be simple.

Giganotosaurus/T-Rex/The Agents/The Hunter

The Giganotosaurus AP should be upgraded to 8-C+ by destroying a wall, and the T-Rex should scale to Giganotosaurus as well due to being the Apex Predator from the planet where the Giganotosaurus was transported.

The Agents can damage the Giganotosauruses with their weapons and even kill them.

The Hunter can kill the Tyrannosaurus with his strongest weapons.

The Other Dinosaurs/Animals

Alphadon has the size of a small dog not a rat, so we could scale them from mammals of similar size and also has at least Average Human speed.

The other large dinosaurs of the game such as Nanotyranus and Suchomimus can take shots from the agent's strongest firearms.

The Agent weapons scale to 8-C+ because they can damage a Giganotosaurus that has wall-breaking feats, and other dinosaurs can repeatedly withstand shots from those same weapons, so their durability scales accordingly. So basically, the Nano and Sucho's durability should scale to the 8-C+ values.

Important Note: They don't scale to each other; their Durability scales only to the weapon’s AP.

T-Rex Hax

The T-Rex should get Resistance to Magma & Extreme Heat/Fire as it can enter in volcanoes without issue.

Thoughts?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Re5yh]

Agree with OP

 

[AyOgUyS]

All the dinosaurs in the game even the Coelophysis can survive gunshots from the Agents, those weapons can damage the Giganotosaurus.

This seems questionable. What is the extent of this damage? It seems unreasonable to me to scale the durability of every dinosaur to the Giga.

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

agree with OP

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

This seems questionable. What is the extent of this damage? It seems unreasonable to me to scale the durability of every dinosaur to the Giga.

The scaling isn’t arbitrary. The Giganotosaurus is a playable character and demonstrably loses health when shot by the agents’ firearms, establishing that those weapons can damage dinosaurs of that tier. Since other playable dinosaurs also lose health from the same firearms and can survive multiple shots before being defeated, this supports at least comparable baseline durability against that weapon class. This does not imply full stat scaling to the Giga, only shared resistance to the same consistent damage source.

After giving it some more thought, I think it may be more appropriate for only the larger dinosaurs to receive the 8-C+ durability rating. To reflect that, I’ve updated the OP accordingly to keep the scaling more conservative and consistent.

 

[SpikeTheEditor]

agree with OP.

 

[That_moron2]

I agree

 

[Random-Helper323]

This looks fine.

 

[AyOgUyS]

HP is Game Mechanics. I would just scale their durability to the gun’s AP rather than arguing “X can survive this explosion which damaged Y so C has comparable durability. This is literally like arguing: My cat can survive a slash from a knife which can damage me so now my cat scales to me like just scale my cat to the knife’s AP.

Damaging doesn’t necessitate full on scaling

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

HP is Game Mechanics. I would just scale their durability to the gun’s AP rather than arguing “X can survive this explosion which damaged Y so C has comparable durability. This is literally like arguing: My cat can survive a slash from a knife which can damage me so now my cat scales to me like just scale my cat to the knife’s AP.

Damaging doesn’t necessitate full on scaling

Just to clarify, are you aware that the Agent in his Story Mode is capable of damaging and killing the Giganotosaurus?

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

HP is Game Mechanics. I would just scale their durability to the gun’s AP rather than arguing “X can survive this explosion which damaged Y so C has comparable durability. This is literally like arguing: My cat can survive a slash from a knife which can damage me so now my cat scales to me like just scale my cat to the knife’s AP.

Damaging doesn’t necessitate full on scaling

If the same firearm damages multiple playable dinosaurs that supports comparable baseline durability against that weapon. The knife analogy doesn’t apply. The argument isn’t that they fully scale to each other; only that they scale to the same weapon’s AP

 

[AyOgUyS]

If the same firearm damages multiple playable dinosaurs that supports comparable baseline durability against that weapon. The knife analogy doesn’t apply. The argument isn’t that they fully scale to each other; only that they scale to the same weapon’s AP

if the argument is that the gun has 8-C AP then I am fine with every Dino getting 8-C dura

 

[AyOgUyS]

Just to clarify, are you aware that the Agent in his Story Mode is capable of damaging and killing the Giganotosaurus?

I don't see how that means every Dino scales to the giga

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I don't see how that means every Dino scales to the giga

It was a reply meant for this.

HP is Game Mechanics

 

[Oiguana2701]

if the argument is that the gun has 8-C AP then I am fine with every Dino getting 8-C dura

The Carnivores dinosaurs can consistently withstand repeated strikes from the same weapon that is capable of injuring a Giganotosaurus that smashed through a wall, that provides clear scaling in my view.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

if the argument is that the gun has 8-C AP then I am fine with every Dino getting 8-C dura

That was actually the point I was trying to make; maybe I could have explained it better, though the other users here, including the staff members, seem to have understood it.

 

[AyOgUyS]

That was actually the point I was trying to make; maybe I could have explained it better, though the other users here, including the staff members, seem to have understood it.

ok in that case if the gun has 8-C feats and every Dino is 8-C cuz they tank it then that's fine ig

 

[AyOgUyS]

The Carnivores dinosaurs can consistently withstand repeated strikes from the same weapon that is capable of injuring a Giganotosaurus that smashed through a wall, that provides clear scaling in my view.

first of all: what is the extent of the injuries inflicted
second of all: my turtle can withstand repeated punches from my lil bro that hurt me, does this mean my turtle scales to me? obviously not
pls specify the exact extent of the injuries inflicted

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

first of all: what is the extent of the injuries inflicted
second of all: my turtle can withstand repeated punches from my lil bro that hurt me, does this mean my turtle scales to me? obviously not
pls specify the exact extent of the injuries inflicted

Jesus what's with all the IRL animal abuse in your examples man? Are your pets okay?

 

[AyOgUyS]

Jesus what's with all the IRL animal abuse in your examples man? Are your pets okay?

my turtle actually has 1-A dura, he's fine

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

first of all: what is the extent of the injuries inflicted
second of all: my turtle can withstand repeated punches from my lil bro that hurt me, does this mean my turtle scales to me? obviously not
pls specify the exact extent of the injuries inflicted

The examples you used are a bit unusual and don’t seem directly applicable. You’re comparing uncomfortable real-life scenarios involving animals and kids to a video game where alien dinosaurs can withstand magma and destroy concrete structures, so the analogy doesn’t really translate to the scaling being discussed.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

ok in that case if the gun has 8-C feats and every Dino is 8-C cuz they tank it then that's fine ig

Just so you know, this thread was already accepted, so the scaling will likely be applied sooner or later.

 

[AyOgUyS]

The examples you used are a bit unusual and don’t seem directly applicable. You’re comparing uncomfortable real-life scenarios involving animals and kids to a video game where alien dinosaurs can withstand magma and destroy concrete structures, so the analogy doesn’t really translate to the scaling being discussed.

similar enough

X can withstand repeated blows from Y, which can harm Z, therefore X ~ Z

same chain of logic just that the variables are different

 

[AyOgUyS]

Just so you know, this thread was already accepted, so the scaling will likely be applied sooner or later.

that's fine. if the gun itself has 8-C feats and every Dino can tank it, I have no problem, my only issue is if the scaling comes from assuming harming something must mean you fully scale

 

[SomebodyData]

Looks pretty good, can't find any glaring issues with the revisions

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Looks good to me.

This looks fine.

Looks pretty good, can't find any glaring issues with the revisions

Thank you all for participating. I really appreciate it.

Since this thread was unanimously approved by the staff and the grace period ended time ago, I went ahead and applied it. It can be closed now.