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Can non-vsbattle blogs be used for profiles?

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For example, instead of using our usual VSBattle blog (Which I hate with a passion), can we use other websites instead for verse terminologies and stuff (assuming they are accepted)?

For example, can I make a blog about a verse in Notion, and get it accepted, and make it so that if anyone wants to know about the verse terminology, layers, how their abilities work, scans, etc... they can check the Notion blog?
 
Without a deep knowledge on Notion or what it is, I can foresee a few issues with disconnecting from the wiki like this.

One that comes to mind is verifying whether a thing is accepted- the blogs as they are can be commented on by anyone with a Fandom account, and can be checked for editing after it has been accepted. If someone with valid credentials accepts a blog, then that can be confirmed natively. With this, I presume it would be putting it up for a CRT, but finding said CRT later may prove difficult. Furthermore, the history of a blog is visible if someone wants to check it, making it less vulnerable to manipulation- we've had cases in the past where someone published a blog, got it accepted, and then changed what the blog said in order to sneak in unaccepted stuff. With this, it would be my guess that we can't check that changelog. If we can, it would need to be simple enough (on par or approximately equal to Fandom's) that any given staff member can at least parse the information of it to determine if wrongdoing was done.

Based purely on the site, I could also foresee these becoming more overwhelming to deal with, although this is a considerably lesser concern. Notion appears to offer a litany of formats and means of presenting information that may be confounding to an evaluating staff member; this may also lead into the above point regarding changes to a blog, I could feasibly see this obfuscating wonky information to make unfounded changes easier to pass. Theoretically this can be done with Fandom's blogs as well.

Another feature of the site I see is AI implementation, which worries me greatly. We occasionally get people convinced that what the AI says is truth, and that leads to wasted time dealing with that. I would not want to encourage users to write blogs on a site that suggests using AI to write for you. As this seems to be a major selling point of Notion, I find it unfavorable in particular- another blog without this issue would obviously be exempt from this disagreement.

I consider standardization a virtue for something like this, uniformity breeds consistency and new elements can gum up the works. I'm not strictly opposed, but I will say I'd like the above concerns reconciled, and also some convincing that this is a net positive to allow. The OP doesn't expand on why this is preferred, just that it is. I may think of more issues, and after consideration may change my point (perhaps obviously, but some people dislike people changing their mind mid-discussion, so I mention it now- this is a preliminary opinion, little more).
 
One that comes to mind is verifying whether a thing is accepted- the blogs as they are can be commented on by anyone with a Fandom account, and can be checked for editing after it has been accepted. If someone with valid credentials accepts a blog, then that can be confirmed natively. With this, I presume it would be putting it up for a CRT, but finding said CRT later may prove difficult. Furthermore, the history of a blog is visible if someone wants to check it, making it less vulnerable to manipulation- we've had cases in the past where someone published a blog, got it accepted, and then changed what the blog said in order to sneak in unaccepted stuff. With this, it would be my guess that we can't check that changelog. If we can, it would need to be simple enough (on par or approximately equal to Fandom's) that any given staff member can at least parse the information of it to determine if wrongdoing was done.
True on that regard, there is no history/changelog to see, and I can see why it can be concerning if someone is malicious.

That said, for the CRT part, wouldn't putting it on the blog be good enough to people can check it? Ie, at the top, make a list of CRTs for the verse so anyone accessing the verse can check it, and if someone did some malicious editing, just by checking the CRT you can tell if something is accepted or not. CRTs in general put a list of abilities that are ought to be put on the profile.

Additionally, here's an example of a blog made about a verse here (Made by Lysairth), so you can check it out (Sorry, it's Xianxia, I lied to you😔). This one didn't use scans but rather posted the quotes themselves. Generally, linking the scans would be the required choice, but I just wanted to show an example.
Based purely on the site, I could also foresee these becoming more overwhelming to deal with, although this is a considerably lesser concern. Notion appears to offer a litany of formats and means of presenting information that may be confounding to an evaluating staff member; this may also lead into the above point regarding changes to a blog, I could feasibly see this obfuscating wonky information to make unfounded changes easier to pass. Theoretically this can be done with Fandom's blogs as well.
Generally, the blogs are rather simple with just toggles and lists. Admittedly some templates do look confusing, however, can't we just make a CRT to make it so that anyone who wants to use Notion, they can't use a template, and just have to use the normal stuff in the base notion (Ie, bullet points, toggle list, linking, etc...)?
Another feature of the site I see is AI implementation, which worries me greatly. We occasionally get people convinced that what the AI says is truth, and that leads to wasted time dealing with that. I would not want to encourage users to write blogs on a site that suggests using AI to write for you. As this seems to be a major selling point of Notion, I find it unfavorable in particular- another blog without this issue would obviously be exempt from this disagreement.
It's mostly the website advertising it as a big thing (as do majority of companies that implemented Ai), since AI is pretty big right now and they want to cash in on it. Otherwise, iirc the AI thing is not really used that much. Besides, this is just for terminologies of the verse, and scans will be linked regardless if someone uses AI or not, as people can just check the scans to see if what they are saying is true or not.

Addtionally, I'm merely stating this for huge verse blogs and that's it. I'd assume calculations (which people use AI mostly for) will still be on the main wiki, as I see no reason to do an outside blog for it, compared to like terminologies of the verse.
I consider standardization a virtue for something like this, uniformity breeds consistency and new elements can gum up the works. I'm not strictly opposed, but I will say I'd like the above concerns reconciled, and also some convincing that this is a net positive to allow. The OP doesn't expand on why this is preferred, just that it is. I may think of more issues, and after consideration may change my point (perhaps obviously, but some people dislike people changing their mind mid-discussion, so I mention it now- this is a preliminary opinion, little more).
Understandable. Honestly, I like Notion because it's easier to use for me. The main wiki blogs are pretty buggy for me, and the shortcuts are rather awful (Some options don't even have shortcuts), and Notion has toggle lists which make the blog pretty neat and not overwhelming. Additionally, for adding links, in the main wiki it requires you to go to the text again when the menu pops up and highlight it then paste the link. Admittedly this isn't such a huge concern or a problem, but when you have hundreds of scans, it becomes a bit annoying. Meanwhile Notion doesn't really have any of this. Not to mention it has a table of content (Useful for AP stuff), dividers, doesn't lower the image resolution, etc...

Of course, my complaints could be seen as minor, and if you don't think these are enough to warrant/allow a use of an outside blog, then that's it. Though I would heavily prefer if it was allowed, as it would save me a lot of time.
 
For example, instead of using our usual VSBattle blog (Which I hate with a passion), can we use other websites instead for verse terminologies and stuff (assuming they are accepted)?

For example, can I make a blog about a verse in Notion, and get it accepted, and make it so that if anyone wants to know about the verse terminology, layers, how their abilities work, scans, etc... they can check the Notion blog?
From my own standpoint, we couldn't guarantee if there are things that has changed there and render it as vandalism simply because there's no logs to check (if it even exists in the first place) — Second of all, while there's actually zero case about this but what if it's like imgur? Where if your account gets banned, the notion links are also gone with the account? Yeah, I gotta agree that it's easier to use and it's neat but the main issue stems from the fact that it couldn't be moderated at all and well. It's just an easier way for people to vandalise without someone knowing about it.

That's all, the reason why for all these years there are no off-site stuff like this is simply because of the fact that it couldn't be moderated nor if there's even a log to check on and undo the things that's deemed as vandalization.
 
True on that regard, there is no history/changelog to see, and I can see why it can be concerning if someone is malicious.

That said, for the CRT part, wouldn't putting it on the blog be good enough to people can check it? Ie, at the top, make a list of CRTs for the verse so anyone accessing the verse can check it, and if someone did some malicious editing, just by checking the CRT you can tell if something is accepted or not. CRTs in general put a list of abilities that are ought to be put on the profile.

Additionally, here's an example of a blog made about a verse here (Made by Lysairth), so you can check it out (Sorry, it's Xianxia, I lied to you😔). This one didn't use scans but rather posted the quotes themselves. Generally, linking the scans would be the required choice, but I just wanted to show an example.
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The easier it is to verify something, the better. Even with our current rules, changes made to blogs have led to lengthy discussions. Removing that bit of our toolkit kinda sucks. It doesn't render it impossible to do our job, it just hampers it.

Generally, the blogs are rather simple with just toggles and lists. Admittedly some templates do look confusing, however, can't we just make a CRT to make it so that anyone who wants to use Notion, they can't use a template, and just have to use the normal stuff in the base notion (Ie, bullet points, toggle list, linking, etc...)?
We could. Like I said, theoretically people are free to make their shit as incomprehensible as they like, there exist blogs that are chaotically set up and very hard to read, this just seems to lean into that more. It's a minor point, and we could put restrictions down on what can be used, although that list may end up looking arbitrary.

It's mostly the website advertising it as a big thing (as do majority of companies that implemented Ai), since AI is pretty big right now and they want to cash in on it. Otherwise, iirc the AI thing is not really used that much. Besides, this is just for terminologies of the verse, and scans will be linked regardless if someone uses AI or not, as people can just check the scans to see if what they are saying is true or not.

Addtionally, I'm merely stating this for huge verse blogs and that's it. I'd assume calculations (which people use AI mostly for) will still be on the main wiki, as I see no reason to do an outside blog for it, compared to like terminologies of the verse.
are people using AI for calculations now
I'm iffy on this point, still. As with the preceding point, nothing stops people from using AI slop to try and support their work on the wiki as-is, I'd just feel questionable actively approving of a site that pushes it, whether for corporate greed or an actual interest in AI.

Understandable. Honestly, I like Notion because it's easier to use for me. The main wiki blogs are pretty buggy for me, and the shortcuts are rather awful (Some options don't even have shortcuts), and Notion has toggle lists which make the blog pretty neat and not overwhelming. Additionally, for adding links, in the main wiki it requires you to go to the text again when the menu pops up and highlight it then paste the link. Admittedly this isn't such a huge concern or a problem, but when you have hundreds of scans, it becomes a bit annoying. Meanwhile Notion doesn't really have any of this. Not to mention it has a table of content (Useful for AP stuff), dividers, doesn't lower the image resolution, etc...

Of course, my complaints could be seen as minor, and if you don't think these are enough to warrant/allow a use of an outside blog, then that's it. Though I would heavily prefer if it was allowed, as it would save me a lot of time.
Out of curiosity, could you not do the work on Notion and then import the finished product to the wiki? Using it as a tool is one thing, using it as a hosting site is another.

My position is that I dislike it, but I'm not strictly against its use. I think it will breed bad habits and I think it will make the verification process marginally harder, which isn't great given the general staff are already overburdened with evaluation as is. Even something small is considerable.
 
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Understandable. Honestly, I like Notion because it's easier to use for me. The main wiki blogs are pretty buggy for me, and the shortcuts are rather awful (Some options don't even have shortcuts), and Notion has toggle lists which make the blog pretty neat and not overwhelming. Additionally, for adding links, in the main wiki it requires you to go to the text again when the menu pops up and highlight it then paste the link. Admittedly this isn't such a huge concern or a problem, but when you have hundreds of scans, it becomes a bit annoying. Meanwhile Notion doesn't really have any of this. Not to mention it has a table of content (Useful for AP stuff), dividers, doesn't lower the image resolution, etc...
Yeah, I gotta agree with this. In which case, it's the main reason that I just copy the source code and paste it on my notepad and then crosscheck it on the wiki by pasting the source code there when I add stuff in it (I don't create the pages though if it's not fully finished). It becomes a burden when you just save them on the blog and then edit it and it's broken again, using mobile sucks ngl.
 
From my own standpoint, we couldn't guarantee if there are things that has changed there and render it as vandalism simply because there's no logs to check (if it even exists in the first place)
I understand this viewpoint. However, CRTs are gonna be made for this, with every single ability in the blog being in the CRTs, as well as any important stuff. Linking the CRT at the top would just fix the majority of issues, no? Additionally, if someone made a huge vandalism (Ie added an ability that is high tiered af), I'd assume people would catch on real quick by checking the CRTs, or just the scans themselves. Making it mandotory to add scans and putting CRT at the top would solve majority of issues, no?
— Second of all, while there's actually zero case about this but what if it's like imgur? Where if your account gets banned, the notion links are also gone with the account?
This is a nothing burger, no offense. This never happened, ever. Notion doesn't give a damn about what you post, and they are private as well, iirc. It's just a What-if.
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The easier it is to verify something, the better. Even with our current rules, changes made to blogs have led to lengthy discussions. Removing that bit of our toolkit kinda sucks. It's doesn't render it impossible to do our job, it just hampers it.
That's true, don't really have any counter-argument against this other than linking CRT and posting scans.
are people using AI for calculations now
You didn't know?
I'm iffy on this point, still. As with the preceding point, nothing stops people from using AI slop to try and support their work on the wiki as-is, I'd just feel questionable actively approving of a site that pushes it, whether for corporate greed or an actual interest in AI.
From what I have seen on the AI (literally just checked it now), people seem to mostly use it to improve the writing made, rather than actively making it do everything (Though there's an option for it from what I've seen). Though, for verse terminologies and stuff, what could AI say that makes it invalid? I thought AI slop is mostly bad for calculations and stuff.
Out of curiosity, could you not do the work on Notion and then import the finished product to the wiki? Using it as a tool is one thing, using it as a hosting site is another.
The problem is that the site has toggle lists (As I linked the blog above) and other stuff that are not available on the wiki, so copying it would just destroy the format a lot, though I'm content with it if everyone vehemently disagrees with using it.
My position is that I dislike it, but I'm not strictly against its use. I think it will breed bad habits and I think it will make the verification process marginally harder, which isn't great given the general staff are already overburdened with evaluation as is. Even something small is considerable.
Understandable, although I believe Notion would honestly make it easier since it is easier to navigate and not that bloated compared to normal blogs, but I can see other users still making slop which is unreadable, and Notion would not really help with it. I'd assume your stance is Neutral.


Edit: Additionally, I heard the mobile app (Or its web version) is okay/good for, well, mobile use, compared to the Wiki... god, creating Blogs on mobile is a dream for maschist.
 
I understand this viewpoint. However, CRTs are gonna be made for this, with every single ability in the blog being in the CRTs, as well as any important stuff. Linking the CRT at the top would just fix the majority of issues, no? Additionally, if someone made a huge vandalism (Ie added an ability that is high tiered af), I'd assume people would catch on real quick by checking the CRTs, or just the scans themselves. Making it mandotory to add scans and putting CRT at the top would solve majority of issues, no?
Except if there's someone that watches on the page all the time since vandalism on Notion isn't registered on the wiki, if there's an edit, it would be registered on the logs while Notion couldn't do that — What I mean here is a vandalism that's little obviously, not the huge ones. And this would mean we'll have the trust the creators of the Notion to not give permission to random strangers and edit it. It's just a burden honestly since we would have to place "extra" trust on them.
This is a nothing burger, no offense. This never happened, ever. Notion doesn't give a damn about what you post, and they are private as well, iirc. It's just a What-if.
Yeah, but that's one of the main concerns. I appreciate it though since you clarified it.
 
Edit: Additionally, I heard the mobile app (Or its web version) is okay/good for, well, mobile use, compared to the Wiki... god, creating Blogs on mobile is a dream for maschist.
That's just one of the main reason why you should create it on the Notepad and then when it's done you could paste it on the blog, especially since references are a must and adding them one by one using the source code on the wiki instead of Notepad is an absolute hell
 
You didn't know?
All other things aside, I should be allowed to fire a single VSBW user into the sun a month until this stops.
 
Except if there's someone that watches on the page all the time since vandalism on Notion isn't registered on the wiki, if there's an edit, it would be registered on the logs while Notion couldn't do that — What I mean here is a vandalism that's little obviously, not the huge ones. And this would mean we'll have the trust the creators of the Notion to not give permission to random strangers and edit it. It's just a burden honestly since we would have to place "extra" trust on them.
We can make it so that only the creator can have access to it, since Notion shows when something was last edited so you'd know if it was the creator or not.

Additionally, although It's a bit annoying, but only the creator can see the past versions of something, so if there's a possibility of vandalism, one can just ask the creator to post the previous versions (Not sure how feasible is this).
 
We can make it so that only the creator can have access to it, since Notion shows when something was last edited so you'd know if it was the creator or not.

Additionally, although It's a bit annoying, but only the creator can see the past versions of something, so if there's a possibility of vandalism, one can just ask the creator to post the previous versions (Not sure how feasible is this).
Damn, I thought only the creators had access to it in the first place — Yeah, what I wanted to reiterate if there's a chance for the creator themselves to do vandalism on the page without anyone noticing. That'd be a hassle, especially if they don't tell the supporters about it.

Such cases rarely happen though, but let's say this was allowed: Then there would be tons, and this case actually happened directly with Solacis. Not through off-site, but he just vandalized the entire blog on this wiki itself for years and it started with just a little. Basically Honkai Eruption..
 
Regardless, I think the chances of a creator doing vandalism are rather low (Based on what I've seen, there are quite a few cases where people added things that were not accepted, Tensei slime stuff comes to mind).

I honestly think we should just give it a try. If it turns out to be really horrible or smth, we can just go back to blogs.
 
Regardless, I think the chances of a creator doing vandalism are rather low (Based on what I've seen, there are quite a few cases where people added things that were not accepted, Tensei slime stuff comes to mind).

I honestly think we should just give it a try. If it turns out to be really horrible or smth, we can just go back to blogs.
Well, it should be noted then which pages have Notion on the wiki if it's given a try and we could check them once a month and crosscheck. That's all, whether it's just more hassle — I don't know, since I bet rarely anyone uses this stuff.
 
Yeah, that sounds good. Besides majority of people would probably still be on Blogs, so allowing Notion isn't suddenly gonna make everyone go to Notion, since they either find it overwhelming at a glance after seeing the templates even though the templates are not the standard, or think it's just a hassle.
 
Yeah, that sounds good. Besides majority of people would probably still be on Blogs, so allowing Notion isn't suddenly gonna make everyone go to Notion, since they either find it overwhelming at a glance after seeing the templates even though the templates are not the standard, or think it's just a hassle.
Yeah, Notion is neat. I like how it's made.
I wasn't against the use of it, but I just wanted you to clarify some of the general concerns that might come with Notion and I think you handled them pretty well to the point we could have an agreement about it. Best of luck though.
 
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