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Hello. I am making this thread to discuss, as the name implies, the tiering of Bionicle characters; more specifically, the confusion of whether or not their feats warrant either High 3-A or Low 2-C. Though I made the pages and are thus responsible for the tiering as it is now, after further research and a greater understanding regarding the differences between High 3-A and Low 2-C, I am in favor of Low 2-C. Here is why.
The first major piece of evidence supporting this is Vahi in general. It is explicitly stated, at various points, that Vahi has the power to destroy the universe. There is a quote on the page describing the specifics, but for reference:
The force of time is contained within that mask. Destroy it, and that power is unleashed upon the universe. Past, present and future all existing at once — warps and rips and hours folding in upon each other — madness and chaos as no two moments ever follow one another ... think of it.
The source of the confusion was mostly based on the fact that the Great Spirit Robot is about the size of Earth, though it contains its own space-time continuum. It is quite likely that said space-time continuum is infinite, which would warrant a Low 2-C rating. Besides, given the many statements about universe busting and the many feats regarding universe creation within Bionicle as a whole, and the consistent references to space-time being involved in said destruction, I believe the Low 2-C rating is far more likely.
Vahi scales directly to Ignika and Artakha, as each of the legendary Kanohi are comparable in terms of power. This, again, is supported by various statements. Ignika is stated to have the power to "give life to a universe ... or to obliterate it."
This also scales to other characters; Tren Krom, Mata Nui, Great Spirit Teridax, and Great Beings, as the Great Beings, along with assistance from Tren Krom, were responsible for the creation of Mata Nui and the Great Spirit Robot - and with it, the universe it contains.
Here are two quotes, from Teridax, supporting a tiering of Low 2-C:
I believe all the High 3-A to Low 2-C Bionicle characters should be solidly Low 2-C because of all this evidence. I do not think the "possibly higher" on Teridax, Mata Nui, and the Great Beings' pages is warranted, however, as it is likely that the Great Spirit Robot only contains a single timeline.
The first major piece of evidence supporting this is Vahi in general. It is explicitly stated, at various points, that Vahi has the power to destroy the universe. There is a quote on the page describing the specifics, but for reference:
The force of time is contained within that mask. Destroy it, and that power is unleashed upon the universe. Past, present and future all existing at once — warps and rips and hours folding in upon each other — madness and chaos as no two moments ever follow one another ... think of it.
The source of the confusion was mostly based on the fact that the Great Spirit Robot is about the size of Earth, though it contains its own space-time continuum. It is quite likely that said space-time continuum is infinite, which would warrant a Low 2-C rating. Besides, given the many statements about universe busting and the many feats regarding universe creation within Bionicle as a whole, and the consistent references to space-time being involved in said destruction, I believe the Low 2-C rating is far more likely.
Vahi scales directly to Ignika and Artakha, as each of the legendary Kanohi are comparable in terms of power. This, again, is supported by various statements. Ignika is stated to have the power to "give life to a universe ... or to obliterate it."
This also scales to other characters; Tren Krom, Mata Nui, Great Spirit Teridax, and Great Beings, as the Great Beings, along with assistance from Tren Krom, were responsible for the creation of Mata Nui and the Great Spirit Robot - and with it, the universe it contains.
Here are two quotes, from Teridax, supporting a tiering of Low 2-C:
- "I am the ground you walk on ... the air you breathe. No longer must I fight you to rule a Universe. I AM the Universe!" - Great Spirit Teridax (Scan).
- "I have a better idea. Join me. Together, we have the power to decimate universes. We could rule all of reality." - Great Spirit Teridax (Sca - note that he referenced multiple universes only in the context of together)
I believe all the High 3-A to Low 2-C Bionicle characters should be solidly Low 2-C because of all this evidence. I do not think the "possibly higher" on Teridax, Mata Nui, and the Great Beings' pages is warranted, however, as it is likely that the Great Spirit Robot only contains a single timeline.
