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Ben 10 VS Spiderman

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Ben Tennyson VS Spiderman

Speed Equalized

Ben is allowed to use his Low 7-C forms such as Four Arms, Ghostfreak, and Diamondhead. And has access to the Master Control.

Who wins and why?
 
Is this 10 Year old Ben? if so Spidey, due to experience, and pre cog, and omnitrix timer.
 
this shouldn't count anymore since ben's been upgraded.however,if kid ben is being used,then I'm not sure.speed equalized does make this fairer,but I can't see what spidey's webs could do to ben that most of his go to forms couldn't escape.this would lead to spiderman having to resort to close combat,which would lead to ben having the advantage depending on his form.this really depends on what ben chooses.although idk much abt spidey,the timer makes it so ben has to pick the right form from the beginning and beat spiderman within 5-15 mins unless he gets lucky with an instant recharge.ben is most likely to go fourarms,diamondhead,heatblast,xlr8 or cannonbolt,and maybe upchcuck,seeing as this is 10 year old ben.heatblast is only MCB level,but he can burn through spidey's webs.and if he turns up his heat,spiderman might have trouble touching him,but the only way heatblast can win is if he gets extremely mad and cuts loose,which i don't see happening at all unless spiderman somehow manages to get gwen killed or something,which also obviously won't happen.xlr8 could honestly win,as although he is MCB level,he could cut through the webs,and use a tornado to cut off spidey's oxygen supply (making tornadoes is in character for him).diamondhead is small town level,and can very easily cut through the webs as well,forcing spidey into close quarters,and diamondhead has an immense versatilty advantage with his crystal manipulation,and can encase spiderman in diamonds,which is definitely an insta win(and in character too).fourarms might be able to rip through the webs,and forcie spiderman into close quarters again,which will lead to ben having the advantage,with his two extra arms,and he can also use his 'big smack' if spiderman tries to dodge around.upchuck would probably lose,but he can eat the webs shot at him,again,forcing spiderman into close quarters,and swallow him and spit him back out once he gets close(although only teen ben has used this tactic,so most likely a loss for upchuck) cannonbolt could potentially win thanks to speed being equalized.if he uses that pinball tactic he used against kevin,he can most likely beat spiderman,however,if he gets tangled up in webs,then its game over.other aliens I can see beating spiderman are maybe ghostfreak(which is out of character for kid ben anyway) and definitely way big,but thanks to the limiter on the watch,if ben is getting overwhelmed he will most likely lose before he can go way big,which isn't really his go to anyway.so I'd say kid ben wins with high difficulty,because out of most of his go to forms,I see most of them winning against spiderman.

that being said,this is only if we're assuming that the watch doesn't mess up and turn ben into grey matter or something.
 
Kambings4life said:
this shouldn't count anymore since ben's been upgraded.however,if kid ben is being used,then I'm not sure.speed equalized does make this fairer,but I can't see what spidey's webs could do to ben that most of his go to forms couldn't escape.this would lead to spiderman having to resort to close combat,which would lead to ben having the advantage depending on his form.this really depends on what ben chooses.although idk much abt spidey,the timer makes it so ben has to pick the right form from the beginning and beat spiderman within 5-15 mins unless he gets lucky with an instant recharge.ben is most likely to go fourarms,diamondhead,heatblast,xlr8 or cannonbolt,and maybe upchcuck,seeing as this is 10 year old ben.heatblast is only MCB level,but he can burn through spidey's webs.and if he turns up his heat,spiderman might have trouble touching him,but the only way heatblast can win is if he gets extremely mad and cuts loose,which i don't see happening at all unless spiderman somehow manages to get gwen killed or something,which also obviously won't happen.xlr8 could honestly win,as although he is MCB level,he could cut through the webs,and use a tornado to cut off spidey's oxygen supply (making tornadoes is in character for him).diamondhead is small town level,and can very easily cut through the webs as well,forcing spidey into close quarters,and diamondhead has an immense versatilty advantage with his crystal manipulation,and can encase spiderman in diamonds,which is definitely an insta win(and in character too).fourarms might be able to rip through the webs,and forcie spiderman into close quarters again,which will lead to ben having the advantage,with his two extra arms,and he can also use his 'big smack' if spiderman tries to dodge around.upchuck would probably lose,but he can eat the webs shot at him,again,forcing spiderman into close quarters,and swallow him and spit him back out once he gets close(although only teen ben has used this tactic,so most likely a loss for upchuck) cannonbolt could potentially win thanks to speed being equalized.if he uses that pinball tactic he used against kevin,he can most likely beat spiderman,however,if he gets tangled up in webs,then its game over.other aliens I can see beating spiderman are maybe ghostfreak(which is out of character for kid ben anyway) and definitely way big,but thanks to the limiter on the watch,if ben is getting overwhelmed he will most likely lose before he can go way big,which isn't really his go to anyway.so I'd say kid ben wins with high difficulty,because out of most of his go to forms,I see most of them winning against spiderman.
that being said,this is only if we're assuming that the watch doesn't mess up and turn ben into grey matter or something.
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Spiderman has seen and teamed with the Human Torch before and has web shooters specifically designed for heat based opponents like Heatblast.

Spider Sense reaction speed, puts him above Diamond Head and Forearms, and even with XLR8, for the former he's more likely to just play lame because he's tangoed with opponents far outside these twos weight class.

Ben doesn't for a majority of the series have Ghostfreak as an option in the omnitrix, even if he did he would auto lose if it was an open lighted area.

Way Big is 5-A so not counted.
 
Also I just realized with speed equalized wouldn't XLR8 be pointless anyways?
 
all of ben's aliens have massively hypersonic reactions as well,and I meant xlr8 could win via tornado generation,but fair point against heatblast,I did not know that lol,but it makes sense :p
 
JohnConquest1 said:
Is this 10 Year old Ben? if so Spidey, due to experience, and pre cog, and omnitrix timer.
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^This summarizes my stand on this match up fairly well, but I will add that the fight will be very close.
 
^Intangibilty only works while he is not attacking, invisibility is pointless against spider sense as Spider-Man has fought with his eyes closed and sensed any danger and possession requires him to enter Spider-Man's body and I don't see that happening.

I will vote for Spider-Man as his experience and intelligence are far beyond Ben as a child and since his omnitirix has limited time activation Spider-Man will just use his webs to block Ben from transforming again and he wins.
 
^actually ghostfreak can attack while intangible.he's done it before.anyway,its a close match,as while most of kid ben's forms will probably lose,his go to forms will put up a close fight,and speed equalized makes it fairer for forms like fourarms and diamondhead.anyway,the only forms I see winning 80-100% of the time are ghostfreak,diamondhead,way big,and maybe cannonbolt or fourarms.thing is 3/5 of them are ben's go to forms,so my vote stays inconclusive for now until someone can tell me how spidey beats these five forms.
 
He may be able to attack as intangible with energy blasts if I recall correctly as physically that's impossible unless counted as his possession.

Also Ben will never reach to use 5 forms in this battle cause the moment his first-second form is off Spider-Man will just throw a web on his omnitirix giving him an instant win.
 
^Spiderman's precognition will make his attacks really hard as Spider-Man can react on surprise attacks as well with his type of precog.
 
@william nope,ghostfreak has hurt people physically while he was intangible,its weird in the sense that he can still touch things while intangible but its selective,if he isn't aware then his punches will just go through the opponent,but he's unique in the sense that he can phase through things and still touch things at the same time(?) example

Gf2
Gf

Gf3

Gf4

Gf5
as for spidey's precog,ben has consistently kept up in combat with vilgax,who in turn has casually reacted to xlr8,who is also massively hypersonic.aside from that,again,spidey may have more experience,but basically everybody ben fights has more experience than he does,including but not limited to vilgax,who has lived for 200+ years.and my argument still stands for the rest of ben's go to forms
 
Note the profile for Ghostfreak is actually Zs'Skayr. If you want to make a profile for Omniverse Ghostfreak, go ahead.
 
Phasing is a type of damage so it's not weird at all.

He kept up with vilgax and? I am talking about Spider-Man easily dodging his attacks and vilgax always used pure brute strength as he physicly easily overpowered almost every single one oh Ben's aliens while Spider-Man is always using strategies and never relies on brute strength.

Also remember Ben will never get to use 4-5 aliens in this battle.
 
@oishi its for both gf and zs'skayr I think,because in the OS the ghostfreak ben turned into was zs'kayr

@william whoops, I was talking about other aliens,I totally forgot the precog thing was for ghostfreak,my bad lol. Also,while its true that vilgax uses brute strength,he is also incredibly intelligent,and he only easily overpowered ben's forms in the season finale,later on ben as fourarms(which ben never tuned into in the season finale) was fighting on pretty equal terms with both vilgax and kevin at the same time.thing is,ben has fough strategic foes as well,such as the limax,slix vigma,zs'kayr,and the forever nights,also,spidey has no prior knowledge on ben or the omnitrix,so could I get an example on what strategy he could use against ben,who, while he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed,isn't that dumb either.(don't get me wrong though, he's not close to spidey's inteligence unless he's grey matter,just asking for an example)

also yeah ben will definitely not get to use more than one form,my thing is,I meant that his go to forms individually all stand a chance against spidey,especially diamondhead and xlr8.
 
He has the Master Control. Meaning he never times out, and only needs to think of which alien he wants to transform.
 
It is also stated on Spiderman's profile that precog only works on enemies with higher attack speed than reaction speed, which is no problem for Ben.
 
wait,is it attack speed or combat speed,because ben has equal combat and reaction speed,but if its attack speed,as in how fast diamondheads projectiles are or how fast heatblast flame's travel,then yeah,none of ben's attacks bar xlr8 punches probably move at MHS speeds.

thing is,all this gets thrown out out the window cause master control is allowed
 
I go with Ben, because of many reasons above, such as Master Control, speed equalized (his precognition only helps in situations in which another character's attack speed is much greater than his combat speed, so his precog is useless now)

Okay, so...

Ben = 8 Votes (including me)

Spider-Man = 1 votes

Should we add them to Ben and Spider-Man's profiles?
 
I think it may be enough to add,but the main guy arguing for spidey,@williamshadow, hasn't really said anything yet.should wait for them,or just add it
 
^You don't have to wait for me i gave my reasons and explanation if people think differently... Well, that's it.
 
JohnConquest1 said:
Also I just realized with speed equalized wouldn't XLR8 be pointless anyways?
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thats why i hate speed equalization rule as its basicly cheating.

and renders characters like the flash, Sonic, Dash

useless
 
Hazerddex said:
JohnConquest1 said:
Also I just realized with speed equalized wouldn't XLR8 be pointless anyways?
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thats why i hate speed equalization rule as its basicly cheating.
and renders characters like the flash, Sonic, Dash

useless
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Even if speed wasn't equalized, Ben is still can't use XLR8 against Spider-Man anyway.

Spider-Man is Small Town Level, but XLR8 is just Multi-City Block Level+.
 
If Ben is allowed to use all of his Low 7-C forms with Master Control, Ben is more likely to win due to the diversity of powers. Is Toepick allowed, because that would definitely give Ben the win?
 
my reasons for ben using xlr8 weren't for a fistfight,I was saying he could rapidly slice spidey's webs away if he gets caught,and make a tornado to cut off spidey's oxygen.Anyway,I think ben's win conditions are definitely ghostfreak and diamondhead who ben will definitely end up as at some point thanks to master control,especially diamondhead.Hell,he might even start the fight as diamondhead.anyway,if spidey somehow manages to overcome both of them,ben would just have to turn into way big,and that's it,unless he isn't allowed,of course.
 
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