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Battle for the 4th spot on 5-B (Non-Smurfs) | Kusuo vs Ata
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ShionAH
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Things Kusuo can do to win.
- Passive Fear Aura
- Thought based TK to incapicate Ata
- Thought BFR
- Thought Reality Warp/Law Manip Ata and instantly win
- Thought Power Null GG
- Thought Perception/Illusion
- Thought Transmutation
- Plot GG
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can Saiki interact with abstract existence - info type 2
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Well his clone would be considered the better fighter despite being physically weaker so Saiki would probably need to beat that one instead
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He doesn't need to. His first key is his incarnate body (his clone) meaning Sasaki would be fighting that instead of Ata himself
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Both his keys have a 5-B tier. So you would have to beat the stronger one which in this case is the AE one
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Unless I'm missing something this aura isn't anything special.
This could work being Class Stellar
Won't do anything with Ata being able to fly around the galaxy.
Nothing here is gonna kill Ata.
Nothing's explained for this on page, just null abilities and skill? Won't work on Ata's abilities.
Doesn't matter.
Won't work due to how Ata's immo and regen and physiology works.
Samurai's sword will kill here.
Arkenis
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Where's it said inter?
What?
Ata's powersystem is based off h particles and his soul which is info 2
- (Type 3 and 8 - Low-Godly - Samurai who possess a strong heroism and calling like Hachimaru often cannot disintegrate after defeat[6], and can regenerate even without their key[7] [which serves as the axis of the regeneration process for common samurai][8]. According to Ata, these samurai cannot die as long as they have hope[9], and the only way for them to die is to lose their heroism and calling[10], which makes their consciousness vanish after discorporate[11], meaning they can regenerate from their consciousness alone)
ShionAH
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- Interdimensional (Saiki can teleport people and objects to other worlds)
- BFR, Dimensional Travel (He is able to teleport himself, other people or objects[44] to other worlds. Should be similar to his alternate version that teleported him to his world.[11] Accidentally teleported to another[45] world)
- Cosmology is 2-A^2
What what? His Mind Manipulation is powerful enough to rewrite laws and reality itself, to resist it you need to resist Mind Manipulation and Reality Warping.
I dont see that on the profile, he also doesnt resist Power Null.
Saiki's gaze will Petrify Ata and his Counciousness at the same time. Plus the profile says "Regenerating his entire body can take potentially hours" so can't Kusuo just keep crushing him into bits until his stamina runs out? Saiki has Infinite while Ata has limited Stamina
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If this is as you say then he has no counter.
- Non-Physical Interaction and Durability Negation(Samurai can interact with a multitude of different substances that are generally intangible. Samurai Souls allow Samurai to damage entities on a spiritual, mental, memorial, fundamental and fated level)
- (Spiritual, Mental, Informational (Type 2) and Fate - Samurai are capable of interacting with their own[39][40][41][42], and other's Samurai Soul[43][44][45], which contains someone's spirit, mind, memories, predetermined fate[11] and fundamental information[46][47])
- (Spatial - Samurai who have mastered the "splitting and connecting" aspects of being a Samurai can interact with and cut through space with their attacks[48])
- Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Limited Fate Manipulation and Information Manipulation (Type 2 - Samurai Souls are spiritual constructs which contain the "memories, thoughts, premonitions and calling of the person"[11], with the "calling" of a Samurai denoting the fated actions that person will partake in. Spiritual constructs, such as Samurai Souls, are made up of H-Particles[11], these particles are considered to be one's fundamental information[46], with the soul being the "aggregate of information" of a Samurai's existence[47])
Yeah same like before, does this work on Samurai souls?
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Great, thats a solid wincon then. And Saiki will resort to it possibly almost instantly
I am confused now, if this applies to his soul why would it also apply to his powers/body? Can you give me the scan that shows his powers or his physical body is also abstract information, 'cause that seems to only work on his clones.
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I'm not talking about his body, I'm talking about his soul itself. And read the page, it gives chapter for what it references.
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How tf is the soul gonna stop Saiki from transmutating or petrifying? If he comes back (which takes hours) Saiki can do it again or BFR.
References are generally not enough for important statements, look at Saiki's profile for example it has scans and references
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He can fight with his soul.
The references are the important stuff. That's why I'm saying look at the references. If its not clear, the references are the chapters being referenced, go read them for what you're looking for.
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Could you show me where thats stated? also if Ata doesn't have an answer to Saiki's thought based BFR how does he even have a chance? Especially when he cannot actually hit Saiki
I am not gonna read the entire manga for a single quote, it is the profiles job to show me what the hell it is referencing. It is not hard to take a screen shot and upload it to imgur
Anyways Ata also has no answer to Saiki's plot manipulation which can affect information
Arkenis
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The entire page has multiple things relating to them fighting with their soul. You're just lazy. The references literally give you the ch and page lmao. Take a couple seconds to look and you'll find what you're looking for. Stop replying to me, I don't care about this match.
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Yeah there's a very good reason I never tried for this spot with Deathwing
Ata FRA
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I could not find an exact value for 5-B and 5-A, so I will assume it is baseline.
In terms of AP, both are evenly matched (Baseline 5-B), but Ata can reach 5-A. Although Saiki is more durable with 5.4 Yotattons.
In case of any immediate danger Saiki's precognition will activate and warn him of any danger, plus Saiki can read Ata's thoughts. In addition, Saiki has AD, ED and Instinctive Action that will eventually make him able to use his powers without thinking, and he can duplicate himself.
I don't know how Ata starts, but looking at his profile he doesn't have any resistance against: Petrification, Plot Manip, Immersion, Time Travel, Reality Wap/Law Manip.
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In terms of AP, both are evenly matched (Baseline 5-B), but Ata can reach 5-A. Although Saiki is more durable with 5.4 Yotattons.
In case of any immediate danger Saiki's precognition will activate and warn him of any danger, plus Saiki can read Ata's thoughts. In addition, Saiki has AD, ED and Instinctive Action that will eventually make him able to use his powers without thinking, and he can duplicate himself.
I don't know how Ata starts, but looking at his profile he doesn't have any resistance against: Petrification, Plot Manip, Immersion, Time Travel, Reality Wap/Law Manip.
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Why exactly? Metaphysical equalization puts plot and info 2 on the same level, so one cannot affect the other.
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Any accepted crt showing that this "true" and "false" are info type 2? Or does some accepted crt showing type 2 info exist somehow on the back? Otherwise, what you're saying doesn't matter.
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Any information that affects reality is information type 2, true and false here cannot be type 1 as they clearly affected the other characters and the world. I asked Ant and he specifically told me that I did not need to specify it on the profile and just need to add it to the explanation which I did.
Anyways it barely matters since this is the second key where his body is not abstract
Anyways it barely matters since this is the second key where his body is not abstract
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Saying that something is true or false, or one of the two is not information type 2. Furthermore, even on the blog this is not referred to as something of the sort. If you don't have a crt where this was accepted as type 2 info, it's not my problem.
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Know I said I didn't care but come on dude.
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His second key is a whole tier stronger.
Its basic sense, it can affect the information such as the truth would be more than enough for someone who doesnt hate the verse with guts.
I am so tired and quite frankly dont care about the spot anymore, I'll ask dragonite which key should be used. If its the first fine he can keep the spot, if its the second then Saiki stomps
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Saiki gets blitzed and turned into sushi by either key BTW cause speed isn't equal lol
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Its a possibly, meaning less concrete than the likely 5-B rating, meaning its not stronger. The first key also has AE making it the "stronger" key.
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Show me MFTL+ on his profile. All I'm seeing is MFTL!
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"likely", "possibly", and "at most" ratings can be used for both vs match ups and the top 15 lists
