another smol ULTRAKILL revision

[Jerry59]

Genius Intelligence

I think we all know how skilled V1 is with coins and many other things shamelessly steal other people's words here

• Coins automatically target the weak point of any enemies within their line of sight. V1 doesn't really have any supernatural homing ability, so this is really just pure skill. Pure skill that goes even further when you're talking about Railcoining, where they throw several coins into the air around an enemy, fire their railcannon through said enemy and then bounce it off the coin to hit them again repeatedly.
• Similarly, they can fire the Sharpshooter, ricochet that off the ground, throw a coin to ricochet it again and essentially juggle it until they're out of coins
• They can throw 4 coins into the air and then shoot another coin, ricocheting the bullet upwards and causing all the coins to split into another piece that goes directly into the enemies their fighting (and in this video, this causes them to explode because they were about to unleash an energy attack)
• Coins are also capable of doing a chargeback, where V1 throws them at anything from a high caliber sniper rifle to a beam of explosive energy to a straight up lightning bolt, redirecting that straight to the nearest enemy (usually the sender)
• V1 can land on rockets fired at them, essentially turning them into his personal hoverboard until they run out of thrust (In this video they also crash a lot but they're kinda messing around, it's more than viable to take it for a spin)
• And just to make sure we're clear all of this is canon, the in game style ranking system is canon and machines are all motivated to fight with the absolute most level of skill they possibly can to get their footage ranked highly, to which V1 is pretty evidently the apex (Cybergrind is also canonically mentioned in the same entry and is loaded with stuff like Swordsmachine, which directly uses the same type of Shotgun as V1, alongside a bunch of other similarly tough enemies coming at him in droves on all sides)

So V1 & V2 should have Genius Intelligence with that amount of skill and calculations, at least combat-wise

"At least 7-C" and Incorporeality for the Prime Souls

Hakita has stated multiple times that if Minos Prime fought against Gabriel, he would no/low-diff him, unless Gabriel had an entire army of angels and even if that happened it would still be one hell of a fight, so he will massive-massive-MASSIVELY upscales from this Punching feat, change to "At least 7-C" instead of just "7-C" (and also maybe remove that Gabriel match from his profile idk) V1 (and others too i think) is still 7-C because it most likely won against the Prime Souls due to higher skill

About Incorporeality, in Ultrakill, Prime Souls are the manifestations of pure will formed when a soul amasses so much power that it no longer requires a physical vessel to manifest, It is also stated more clearly in the official Ultrakill wiki and through the appearance of the Prime Souls themselves. Angels like Gabe should have had Non-Physical Interaction so they could even fight against the Prime Souls in the first place

Superhuman Precision for V1 & V2

Self-explanatory

Immortality Negation (Type 2 and 7)

All Husks lack flesh on their bodies and internal organs, it is quite self-explanatory that they are undead people. Everyone in the verse that isn't Husks has this ability, because well, they can kill them

Speed of Light Railcannons ?

So first, uhm, the coins did, in fact, reflect light (though I think not as much as a mirror?), we all know that when Revolver shoots a coin, it splits the coin in two, however for Railcannons they will always bounce the coin once and that's it. It is shown that Revolvers do not achieve the same speed as Railcannons, as V1 can still perceive and then parry V2's shots, while Maurice's beams are always hitscans, and Hakita has also called Maurice's beams "laser", so that is some genuine light right there (except you Screwdriver)

Oh yeah, regarding the velocity of Revolvers and Sentry sniper rifles, I think they are about 4000 m/s, just like an irl railgun/rail cannon, i even did a calc to find their velocity and they were surprisingly close to irl railguns (it hasn't been evaluated yet but you get what I mean right?), though I'm not entirely sure about this

I think that's all

oh and HOLY **** IS THAT JOHN FAITH FROM NINTENDO SWITCH??!?
UwU

 

[Jerry59]

HOLY **** IS THAT JOHN FAITH FROM NINTENDO SWITCH??!?

guys guys can he beat Mario?

 

[Shmooply]

Oddly neutral about a lot of this.

Superhuman Precision for V1 & V2

Absolutely stupid that this page has existed for months and has listed V1 as one of its examples, yet the ability is not present on its profile.

Immortality Negation (Type 2 and 7)

You can argue that they should have Type 7 immortality due to being already dead people in Hell, but more so for indexing sake rather than versus reasons. Besides that, I'm gonna have to disagree with this. I don't know where you're getting the idea that husks are beings without flesh or organs. They all produce blood and can make a variety of noise with their throats, some are stated to have a hunger for physical things, schisms have flesh wounds on their bodies and its implied that they have nerves, the Stalker's terminal outright confirms they have skin and muscles.

In addition, killing someone with type 2 or type 7 immortality doesn't mean you have Immortality Negation. You can still kill a character with those abilities through other means, they're just way tougher to kill.

 

[Thelastmlg]

I totally agree with the skill part

disagree with the prime souls stuff

For incorporeality, you kind of flipped the quote hard, it says that they don’t need a vessel to manifest physically, not that they don’t need a physical vessel to manifest

For scaling, you are exxagerating the statements a lot, he never says or implies that minos would “low diff” gabriel, all he said is that he would win and that an army of angels would be needed to beat him

Gabriel is much stronger than normal angels even after losing the holy light, and i’m pretty sure minos can one shot angel enemies, so is not really a reliable comparison

And v1 should scale to them, he can reliable dodge, survive and even interrupt some of them attacks

Also “at least” is used when there is belief that they can reach the next tier out of sheer superiority to the tier they scale to, but ultrakill is around 8x weaker than high town level so that’s a big gap

There is no negation for type 2 and 7, type 2 is just being harder to kill, not impossible by conventional means, and type 7 is just type 2 sometimes, in fact the type shouldn’t even exist anymore, it is just there because it is old and removing it would be a hustle

Also the husks clearly have organs and flesh, that’s literally what comes out when we shoot them, they even have blood afterall, being undead doesn’t remove neither, zombies are a thing afterall

Not fully sure about your evidence of light speed railcannons, considering slab revolvers normal and charged shoots and electricity also shoot in one direction

The rest is just them being faster them revolvers and being called a laser is one of the weaker evidences for light

 

[Jerry59]

For incorporeality, you kind of flipped the quote hard, it says that they don’t need a vessel to manifest physically, not that they don’t need a physical vessel to manifest

Idk It's weird, their appearance, it's obvious that Hakita wants us to feel that the Prime Souls are something, how can I describe this lol, like they look like something that you normally can't touch? The Prime Souls certainly exists non-physically as a soul (Also the Prime Souls are infact, don’t need a physical vessel to manifest, though it still comes from a wiki (official one, mind u) so I won't bring it up again ig)

For scaling, you are exxagerating the statements a lot, he never says or implies that minos would “low diff” gabriel, all he said is that he would win and that an army of angels would be needed to beat him

Gabriel is much stronger than normal angels even after losing the holy light, and i’m pretty sure minos can one shot angel enemies, so is not really a reliable comparison

Eh nah, he clearly implied that Minos wouldn't give Gabriel a chance, like he actually said "wouldn't stand a chance" lol, moreover, the Prime Souls are dangerous to heaven, the ENTIRE heaven, Gabriel is certainly powerful and he did so easily killing the Councils (those losers could built like me and snorlax if they were human ngl), but he is still just "one of the most respected and feared archangels", there are still many more archangels at least as strong as Gabriel, and here Gabe will need an army if he even hopes to win
idk man Minos can definitely low diff that father issue dude

Also “at least” is used when there is belief that they can reach the next tier out of sheer superiority to the tier they scale to, but ultrakill is around 8x weaker than high town level so that’s a big gap

oh

There is no negation for type 2 and 7, type 2 is just being harder to kill, not impossible by conventional means, and type 7 is just type 2 sometimes, in fact the type shouldn’t even exist anymore, it is just there because it is old and removing it would be a hustle

Also the husks clearly have organs and flesh, that’s literally what comes out when we shoot them, they even have blood afterall, being undead doesn’t remove neither, zombies are a thing afterall

You can argue that they should have Type 7 immortality due to being already dead people in Hell, but more so for indexing sake rather than versus reasons. Besides that, I'm gonna have to disagree with this. I don't know where you're getting the idea that husks are beings without flesh or organs. They all produce blood and can make a variety of noise with their throats, some are stated to have a hunger for physical things, schisms have flesh wounds on their bodies and its implied that they have nerves, the Stalker's terminal outright confirms they have skin and muscles.

In addition, killing someone with type 2 or type 7 immortality doesn't mean you have Immortality Negation. You can still kill a character with those abilities through other means, they're just way tougher to kill.

well uhm, guess they don't have any op ability immortality negation:sobb:

however I would argue that they actually don't have flesh and organs in their bodies, like yeah, they do have these things, but even if they lost most of them, they could still survive, Sisyphean Insurrectionists were outright lost their heads and right arms and the Ferryman intentionally tore off their skin and left only skeletons

Not fully sure about your evidence of light speed railcannons, considering slab revolvers normal and charged shoots and electricity also shoot in one direction

The rest is just them being faster them revolvers and being called a laser is one of the weaker evidences for light

I mean, the Slab variants are definitely faster than the normal ones, but they still fire minuscule bullets anyway so I guess they're not that fast? Yeah the electric railcannon may not actually have the light speed like the malicious, after all there are no enemies that shoot electric beams yet, of course V1 weapons like this will fire hitscans and one direction straight beams

 

[Jerry59]

(May also ask if you still plan to calculate the velocity of the Revolvers)

 

[Homie890]

agree with genius combat skill to v1 and frau- i mean v2
disagree with immo type 2 and 7 negation
neutral on atleast 7-C on prime souls
agree with Incorporeality to prime souls,they are souls after all (also,didn't hakita said that all angels were made of the father light or smthng? shouldn't that give incorporeality to them? or im tweaking?)
F#CKING AGREE WITH superhuman precision,we're talking about a machine that can send coins to space and casually redirect their shots off that same coin in space,kinda funny that V1 is listed in the superhuman precision,but he doesn't have it in his profile.
also,wonder if someone is making an benjamin profile,that guy is definitely 7-B,at worst.

 

[Thelastmlg]

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1. Souls are incorporeal, yeah, but prime souls are states that some souls achieve to manifest physically

Their appearance doesn’t really scream anything incorporeal to me tbh, they even have a heart with nervous system there, it just screams translucence

The wiki, even if official, is like, secondary canon at best, and given that people can add and remove sexual jokes in articles, i think they have some freedom in how they word certain things, and it shouldn’t hold any weight compared to the game’s terminal

2. I must have missed it cus i didn’t see him say about him not withstanding a chance, but regardless, heaven’s average soldier we know of is not that strong compared to either of them

Also, being a threat to heaven but being overwhelmed by an army of it sounds like a lot of heaven are not soldiers or anything

Regardless, they can upscale from gabriel but yeah “at least” still doesn’t work, just add in their profiles that they are considered too strong for gabriel to defeat without an army or something

3. Some husks like sisypheans and ferryman are fine to have those immortalities, but the average husk shouldn’t as they still possess a lot of organs and tissue

 

[Jerry59]

Their appearance doesn’t really scream anything incorporeal to me tbh, they even have a heart with nervous system there, it just screams translucence

The wiki, even if official, is like, secondary canon at best, and given that people can add and remove sexual jokes in articles, i think they have some freedom in how they word certain things, and it shouldn’t hold any weight compared to the game’s terminal

that's... fair, ugh:sob:

Also, being a threat to heaven but being overwhelmed by an army of it sounds like a lot of heaven are not soldiers or anything

He didn't say that Minos would be overwhelmed, he said that having an army would give them a better chance of winning against him, or i can say their winning rate is 50/50. Additionally, even angels who were once humans like Virtues can become wardens in Hell, obviously Greater Angels and above are soldiers and can fight (except for the Council who can only sit on their gaming chairs and yapping about God's will)

Regardless, they can upscale from gabriel but yeah “at least” still doesn’t work, just add in their profiles that they are considered too strong for gabriel to defeat without an army or something

Alrighty:3

Some husks like sisypheans and ferryman are fine to have those immortalities, but the average husk shouldn’t as they still possess a lot of organs and tissue

I don't see any problem for them to have such immortalities, like if they can die from losing body parts, wouldn't they be able to just kill themselves to escape their suffering ?

 

[Jerry59]

also,wonder if someone is making an benjamin profile,that guy is definitely 7-B,at worst.

im working on it, I just need one more calcs to be evaluated and then I can post it

 

[Homie890]

im working on it, I just need one more calcs to be evaluated and then I can post it

damn,benjamin kinda stronk,also,can we remove corpse of king minos possibly pocket reality manip?
like,hakita has stated time and time that gluttony does not take place inside CoKM,only P-1 takes place inside in CoKM

 

[Jerry59]

damn,benjamin kinda stronk,also,can we remove corpse of king minos possibly pocket reality manip?
like,hakita has stated time and time that gluttony does not take place inside CoKM,only P-1 takes place inside in CoKM

i think we can idk

 

[Armorchompy]

Genius Intelligence

I think we all know how skilled V1 is with coins and many other things shamelessly steal other people's words here

• Coins automatically target the weak point of any enemies within their line of sight. V1 doesn't really have any supernatural homing ability, so this is really just pure skill. Pure skill that goes even further when you're talking about Railcoining, where they throw several coins into the air around an enemy, fire their railcannon through said enemy and then bounce it off the coin to hit them again repeatedly.
• Similarly, they can fire the Sharpshooter, ricochet that off the ground, throw a coin to ricochet it again and essentially juggle it until they're out of coins
• They can throw 4 coins into the air and then shoot another coin, ricocheting the bullet upwards and causing all the coins to split into another piece that goes directly into the enemies their fighting (and in this video, this causes them to explode because they were about to unleash an energy attack)
• Coins are also capable of doing a chargeback, where V1 throws them at anything from a high caliber sniper rifle to a beam of explosive energy to a straight up lightning bolt, redirecting that straight to the nearest enemy (usually the sender)
• V1 can land on rockets fired at them, essentially turning them into his personal hoverboard until they run out of thrust (In this video they also crash a lot but they're kinda messing around, it's more than viable to take it for a spin)
• And just to make sure we're clear all of this is canon, the in game style ranking system is canon and machines are all motivated to fight with the absolute most level of skill they possibly can to get their footage ranked highly, to which V1 is pretty evidently the apex (Cybergrind is also canonically mentioned in the same entry and is loaded with stuff like Swordsmachine, which directly uses the same type of Shotgun as V1, alongside a bunch of other similarly tough enemies coming at him in droves on all sides)

So V1 & V2 should have Genius Intelligence with that amount of skill and calculations, at least combat-wise

"At least 7-C" and Incorporeality for the Prime Souls

Hakita has stated multiple times that if Minos Prime fought against Gabriel, he would no/low-diff him, unless Gabriel had an entire army of angels and even if that happened it would still be one hell of a fight, so he will massive-massive-MASSIVELY upscales from this Punching feat, change to "At least 7-C" instead of just "7-C" (and also maybe remove that Gabriel match from his profile idk) V1 (and others too i think) is still 7-C because it most likely won against the Prime Souls due to higher skill

Sure

About Incorporeality, in Ultrakill, Prime Souls are the manifestations of pure will formed when a soul amasses so much power that it no longer requires a physical vessel to manifest, It is also stated more clearly in the official Ultrakill wiki and through the appearance of the Prime Souls themselves. Angels like Gabe should have had Non-Physical Interaction so they could even fight against the Prime Souls in the first place

They are souls but as you said they're also manifesting into a material body. I wouldn't assume it's not tangible.

Superhuman Precision for V1 & V2

Self-explanatory

Sure

Immortality Negation (Type 2 and 7)

All Husks lack flesh on their bodies and internal organs, it is quite self-explanatory that they are undead people. Everyone in the verse that isn't Husks has this ability, because well, they can kill them

That's not immortality negation, it's just damaging them to a point beyond what they can survive.

Speed of Light Railcannons ?

So first, uhm, the coins did, in fact, reflect light (though I think not as much as a mirror?), we all know that when Revolver shoots a coin, it splits the coin in two, however for Railcannons they will always bounce the coin once and that's it. It is shown that Revolvers do not achieve the same speed as Railcannons, as V1 can still perceive and then parry V2's shots, while Maurice's beams are always hitscans, and Hakita has also called Maurice's beams "laser", so that is some genuine light right there (except you Screwdriver)

We know it's electric, not light, so idk. I think it's just >>> V1's speed.

Oh yeah, regarding the velocity of Revolvers and Sentry sniper rifles, I think they are about 4000 m/s, just like an irl railgun/rail cannon, i even did a calc to find their velocity and they were surprisingly close to irl railguns (it hasn't been evaluated yet but you get what I mean right?), though I'm not entirely sure about this

They're hitscan, functionally in the game they're infinite speed.

 

[Jerry59]

Sure

Yippe!...

They are souls but as you said they're also manifesting into a material body. I wouldn't assume it's not tangible.

We know it's electric, not light, so idk. I think it's just >>> V1's speed.

They're hitscan, functionally in the game they're infinite speed.

....WAAAAAA

That's not immortality negation, it's just damaging them to a point beyond what they can survive.

that's unfortunate damn, will the lower tier Husks still have these Immortalities tho ? I believe they could still have survived the same wounds Sisyphean and Ferryman have ngl

 

[Homie890]

yo,what is the tier for shockwaves that fling people in the sky?

 

[Armorchompy]

that's unfortunate damn, will the lower tier Husks still have these Immortalities tho ? I believe they could still have survived the same wounds Sisyphean and Ferryman have ngl

yea

 

[Jerry59]

alrighty then