Alien X vs Hulk | 1-0-2

[Excellence616]

Can Hulk really use the full power of Gamma? I remember Devil Hulk being below the One Below All where Gamma originates from, or at least Hulk couldn’t damage him for long even while in hell.

Likely an avatar of TOBA since he can take any form

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

You just explained the difference or else you'd consider punching someone to be biological manipulation

Their both Mind Manipulation via alternate means. And it'll end up with Hulk fighting X/Ben in his own PocketD where he has full control over

Gamma energy is magic which has
Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1), Information Manipulation (Type 2: Fundamental), Subjective Reality, Law Manipulation, and Reality Warping: Magic is a conceptual system that allows an individual to control the natural world (including events, objects, people, and physical phenomena).[3] The five elements of magic are also noted as the five elements of "all-that-is",[4] something which is later mentioned in the same story by Universal Eternity itself,[41] and are independent of creation due to having existed before the Marvel Multiverse's conception and even having existed before time itself did[16] (which is also stated here[17] and here[18]). Magic is also one of the 6 elements that makes up the shape of the universe and the totality of everything.[15] Gamma Radiation, a Type 1 Concept of its own, contains magic[43] as part of its very nature. All of the Abstracts, conceptual beings who exist beyond and above the standard infinite-dimensional universe, are sustained by magic in its purest, most fundamental form. The Enigma Force, which is the very spirit of Eternity, without which Earth-616 itself instantly collapses, is mystical in nature. Magic is outside and opposite the concepts of logic and can replace them if they are destroyed.[11] "Magic is taking a thought and making it real. Taking a lie and making it the truth. Telling a story to the universe so utterly, cosmically perfect that for a single, shining moment... the world believes a man can fly "[55] and those stories echo through space and time back to the start of all things, mixing with the All-That-Was and sparking something new, such as the mythical Gods of the Marvel Universe as well as the 10 Norse Realms (each of which is its own universe), becoming so big and mad and brilliant that they go back in time and change other stories.[56] Doctor Doom tells Loki that magic is essentially a higher narrative into the flow of events, imposing a narrative upon reality, imposing a story, a fiction into reality and willing it to become true. To be a creature of magic is to be a creature of story. Right after this, he states that he himself is a creature of magic, which makes him a creature of story.[59] Doctor Doom also stated that all reality warpers have magic within their bodies and that disrupting their magic removes their reality warping powers,[117] and Jim Jaspers states that sorcerers can move reality about.[118] Magic is symbol and metaphor, and can be contained within metaphorical stories while in itself contain possible questions, such as "What if the future was unwritten, the present uncontained? What if we could go anywhere, do anything, be anyone? What if we were free? What couldn't we do, on the day all our cages open? What does the bridge to anywhere look like?". Stories turn moments into power--moments like this--and a teller of tales can harness that power, even in the moment.[119] Scarlet Witch states that magic is rewriting the structure of the universe according to how much you believe you can.[120] As mentioned above, in the "Mystic Universe" (the half of Earth 616 that is purely magical in nature), none of the laws of the scientific universe work normally,[29] as they are dominated by the chaotic precepts of magic.[25] Magic is bending and shaping reality to one's own ends,[121] and is about splitting open the world around you and being able to read the mysteries inside like a book as well as knowing how to stitch and sever them like a surgeon.[122] Doctor Strange stated that sorcerers have little patience for the laws of nature.[123] Iron Man states that Doctor Strange, as the main sorcerer who Iron Man is familiar with, represents "a world without rules" in regard to the nature of magic.[124] Magic has no rules (in direct contrast to science), is immeasurable and unpredictable, and creates beings of pure metaphor.[43] The realm of Lord Chaos and Master Order, who exist as the forces that shape and sustain reality as a whole (Order being responsible for giving the universe shape and stability and Chaos responsible for giving it movement and dynamism[91]) and whose realm is stated to both be the fulcrum of existence, from which all that is springs forth[38] and also stated to lie between the polarities of actuality, being a plane where all dichotomies blend together and cease to exist,[38] is repeatedly[39] stated[37] to be[39] a realm made[33][34][35] of magic,[89] and simply travelling in this realm warped Thanos's body.[38] When anyone uses a magic spell, even a novice entirely unaware of their own magic abilities simply making a wish, they are making the universe bend by speaking words of power,[57] and magic is stated to be just a way of telling the universe to bend to your will.[125] Magic and Chaos are linked, abetting the undoing of physical absolutes.[72] The mystic dimensions within the mystical half of the universe have their fundamental properties governed by magical energies, including the Astral Plane itself,[24] something also stated here.[25] Loki states that magic by its very nature is the antithesis of the "rules" of reality.[113] Magic is the in-between, the fraying edge between reality and unreality. A hidden string secretly linking all things that only the adroit may tug free. It is the place none can follow, an implication lurking behind words, the coil of rope before it cinches in purpose. There is even magic intent in the driving of a dagger.Even a hero's name possesses magical power,[52] something also stated here[126] and here.[127] In higher dimensions, magic supersedes physical laws and is the only energetic medium that can effect change. Magic can bypass the slow mechanics of creation, such as natural laws and rational processes, and are the "cheat codes" for reality. It also can circumvent all physical laws and is the "cheat code" of creation

Then his profile would've been L1A. There is different kinds of magic in the verse. Hulk and the one Below was mentioned nowhere in this.

He could punch into Alien X's pocket dimension at least

He still doesn't have the range.

That would just mean Silver Surfer is a smurf

The little blue men that live in mushroom houses? Is there proof of this. Hulk's radiation was drained by SS.

So Hulk will passively keep destroying Alien X's avatar because of Low 1-A hax potency

but will never be able to hurt X's true form because he lacks range

Pretty much but X can still affect Hulk from his pocketD. So Hulk kills the avatar, turns back into Bruve and then uses EE.
Extract:
Immortality (Types 1, 3 & 9; Celestialsapiens cannot die naturally. They live eternal life as they are born in The Forge of Creation. Alien X's consciousness which comprises of three personalities/beings, namely Serena, Bellicus, and Ben who is physically present, resides somewhere outside of the universe, disconnected from space-time, and exists independently of their body and can perform all actions without said body. For characters to be able to affect this consciousness they must have High 1-B range and at that must be able to not just locate the pocket dimension and the personalities within for non-AoE moves, but also affect all of them at once)

its here

Magic (Marvel Comics)

There are many types of magic in the vast and complex history of Marvel Comics. However, while all the magic types are different to varying degrees, and some are definitely more well known than others, all share basic elements and powers (as well as basic potency that is likely...

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huh??
its literally accepted that all magic in marvel is Low 1-A

No. Gamma users are listed under basic magic users along with GR(H1B). Magic is L1A but not all of the users scale to it.

 

[Robo432343]

Then his profile would've been L1A. There is different kinds of magic in the verse. Hulk and the one Below was mentioned nowhere in this.

no it wouldn't have
you can have High 1-B AP but Low 1-A hax

literally everyone in this thread has a certain tier but haxes above their AP

Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

The continuation of this previous thread here. Rules Characters only qualify for a tier if they are physically in that tier themselves. Tiers through amps that increases both Attack Potency and Durability also works, and the same applies to tiers via technology. Prep Time is only allowed if...

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[Excellence616]

Then his profile would've been L1A. There is different kinds of magic in the verse. Hulk and the one Below was mentioned nowhere in this.

The One Above All/The One Below is generator of gamma energy. Anyone who has it has a connection to him.

The little blue men that live in mushroom houses? Is there proof of this. Hulk's radiation was drained by SS.

Yes because Silver Surfer has the Power Cosmic. You can virtually do almost anything with it including draining. Galactus has the power cosmic and can reach Outerversal Levels and yes Silver Surfer don't have anything like that on his profile because his profile is outdated and would be worked on.

No. Gamma users are listed under basic magic users along with GR(H1B). Magic is L1A but not all of the users scale to it.

Magic in general is Low 1-A including Gamma.
It doesn't matter if you are a Basic or Sorcerer level user level automatically, you have Low 1-A hax.

Pretty much but X can still affect Hulk from his pocketD. So Hulk kills the avatar, turns back into Bruve and then uses EE.

Banner can comeback

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Hulk smash stupid green eyed alien

 

[Brogeefrong]

Their both Mind Manipulation via alternate means. And it'll end up with Hulk fighting X/Ben in his own PocketD where he has full control over

They arent, one manipulates it, while the other is just touching it, same example touching a human doesnt mean you have biological manipulation

He still doesn't have the range.

He can make it into where they are

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

He can make it into where they are

Dude WTF his attacks literally can't reach to X's pocket D, the pocked D is out of the universe which requires High1B range to reach and find where it is

 

[Robo432343]

but Hulk doesn't need to find Alien X's pocket dimension
he can just kill the avatar
thats incap

 

[Tomfer]

Then his profile would've been L1A. There is different kinds of magic in the verse. Hulk and the one Below was mentioned nowhere in this.

No. Gamma users are listed under basic magic users along with GR(H1B). Magic is L1A but not all of the users scale to it.

You're wrong btw, every single magic user has magic potency L1A. No matter if you're unskilled magician or Strange himself.

Anyway, what's stopping from saying Passive Haxs + Green Door gg?

 

[Robo432343]

Anyway, what's stopping from saying Passive Haxs + Green Door gg?

the argument is that hulk doesn't have the High 1-B range to attack Alien X's pocket dimension

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

but Hulk doesn't need to find Alien X's pocket dimension
he can just kill the avatar
thats incap

Killing the avatar doesn't means he wins, AX can still attack from Pocket D or his avatar can teleport to anywhere and just attack from there

 

[MintyBoi1]

Also Low-Godly regen, not much Hulk can do about that. Seeming a bit lopsided in Alien X’s favor.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Anyways i will discuss this later, it's been too late for my country

 

[Robo432343]

Also Low-Godly regen, not much Hulk can do about that. Seeming a bit lopsided in Alien X’s favor.

CM type 1 bypasses low godly regen
you need high godly regen to come back from that

 

[Brogeefrong]

Dude WTF his attacks literally can't reach to X's pocket D, the pocked D is out of the universe which requires High1B range to reach and find where it is

He can break out of his universe, and has senses to locate X

Also Low-Godly regen, not much Hulk can do about that. Seeming a bit lopsided in Alien X’s favor.

Low Godly via Mind, and Hulk has NPI for minds anyways + CM Type 1 stuff

 

[MintyBoi1]

He can break out of his universe, and has senses to locate X

Low Godly via Mind, and Hulk has NPI for minds anyways + CM Type 1 stuff

But you need High Hyperversal range which Hulk doesn’t have. And isn’t Devil the one with ESP?

I see, still I think Alien X’s win cons are more feasible.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

He can break out of his universe, and has senses to locate X

Low Godly via Mind, and Hulk has NPI for minds anyways + CM Type 1 stuff

You are simply ignoring the range.

 

[Excellence616]

Also Low-Godly regen, not much Hulk can do about that. Seeming a bit lopsided in Alien X’s favor.

Not when he is affected by fate, probability, causality, plot, chaos haxs of Low 1-A potency

 

[Brogeefrong]

But you need High Hyperversal range which Hulk doesn’t have. And isn’t Devil the one with ESP?

Gamma's can punch out the Universe which is Low 1-A, and Normal Hulk has this

• Enhanced Senses & Extrasensory Perception via Mystic senses (He can perceive spirits and can know if he's being watched as well as feel, hear, and see them, Can see things which exist as concepts)

I see, still I think Alien X’s win cons are more feasible.

so vote or

You are simply ignoring the range.

He can break out of his Low 1-A universe via space-time manip

 

[MintyBoi1]

so vote or

Sure, I’ll vote Alien X for now.

 

[Eseseso]

This is incon.

Hulk has Low 1-A smurf hax via gamma energy being magical (with magic in Marvel being a Low 1-A smurf hax in potency), but I don't know if he has the range to affect Alien X's true self.

 

[Excellence616]

Hulk leaning towards incon

 

[AigerTheKing]

Alien X FRA