Alien X vs Hulk | 0-0-1

[Brogeefrong]

um green and yeahhhhhhhhhhh
Alien X is High 1-B
Childlike Hulk is used and is High 1-B
Speed is equalized
Fight takes place in Hell
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Alien X

Motion carried!Alien X We're the most powerful being in the universe. We change the very nature of space and time.Serena Alien X is the Omnitrix's DNA sample of a Celestialsapien from the Forge of Creation. Tier: High 1-B Name: Alien X, his personalities include Serena, Bellicus, and Ben...

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Hulk (Marvel Comics)

The Hulk is a fictional superhero appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character was created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby and first appeared in The Incredible Hulk #1 (May 1962). Throughout his comic book appearances, the Hulk is portrayed as a large green humanoid...

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[Krazydog050]

Doesn't alien x have reality warping and existence erasure so he can wipe hulk. Or hulk have resist to that ability?

 

[Woomica]

Bro wasted no time in making this matchup

 

[Eseseso]

Depends on whether or not Hulk uses Gamma Energy, since Gamma Energy is a Low 1-A smurf hax in potency (albeit not range)

 

[Eseseso]

Doesn't alien x have reality warping and existence erasure so he can wipe hulk. Or hulk have resist to that ability?

Hulk resists magic which is reality warping but I don't think he resists EE, although he could likely just resurrect

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

bro was camping for the upgrade

 

[MrLuk2000]

Doesn't alien x have reality warping and existence erasure so he can wipe hulk. Or hulk have resist to that ability?

Hulk resists Reality Warping but not EE

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

So EE is a wincon for now

 

[MrLuk2000]

Only Alien X wincon is EE but thats out of character unless he's bloodlusted

Alien X's only ic hax is his Reality Warping and Mind Hax which both Hulk resists. Others are non-combat applicable

So this most likely comes down to a fist fight which I would give the Hulk an edge on but Low-Godly regen is there. Any other abilities that Alien X has, I'm sure he can just thunderclap it away however Hulk will have trouble catching up to Alien X as Alien X can fly and teleport

Alien X has no means to put Hulk down permanently and vice versa. Hulk could get an AP advantage when sufficiently enraged but I don't see anything in his profile that can bypass Low-Godly regen and Type 9 immortality

The fist fight will eventually turn into Hulk rag dolling Alien X until he gets tired but at that point, I think Ben will also be out of commission to fight back as he is human. Put me down in incon for now

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Speed is equalized. So there isn't gonna be any speed blitzing for X.

Hulk resists Reality Warping but not EE

So EE for X is a current way to put Hulk down.
Also Hulk can't even touch X due to Type 9 Immortality. Making him untouchable to anybody without H1B range.
Hulk:
Range: Extended Melee Range due to his size, Varies from Kilometers to Planetary with thunderclaps (Thunderclaps can reach up to Kilometers in every direction, by attacking the ground he can impact an entire planet), At least Interdimensional with Multilocation (Gamma Powered individual exist in the below place and the real world at same time[76])
Alien X:
Immortality (Types 1, 3 & 9; Celestialsapiens cannot die naturally. They live eternal life as they are born in The Forge of Creation. Alien X's consciousness which comprises of three personalities/beings, namely Serena, Bellicus, and Ben who is physically present, resides somewhere outside of the universe, disconnected from space-time, and exists independently of their body and can perform all actions without said body. For characters to be able to affect this consciousness they must have High 1-B range and at that must be able to not just locate the pocket dimension and the personalities within for non-AoE moves, but also affect all of them at once)

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Only Alien X wincon is EE but thats out of character unless he's bloodlusted

Alien X's only ic hax is his Reality Warping and Mind Hax which both Hulk resists. Others are non-combat applicable

So this most likely comes down to a fist fight which I would give the Hulk an edge on but Low-Godly regen is there. Any other abilities that Alien X has, I'm sure he can just thunderclap it away however Hulk will have trouble catching up to Alien X as Alien X

Alien X has no means to put Hulk down permanently and vice versa. Hulk could get an AP advantage when sufficiently enraged but I don't see anything in his profile that can bypass Low-Godly regen and Type 9 immortality

The fist fight will eventually turn into Hulk rag dolling Alien X until he gets tired but at that point, I think Ben will also be out of commission to fight back as he is human. Put me down in incon for now

EE is not out of character we can't really tell anything about his character, everytime he shows up he uses different ability so EE is not a big out of character

 

[MrLuk2000]

EE is not out of character we can't really tell anything about his character, everytime he shows up he uses different ability so EE is not a big out of character

The EE only comes from a statement from Servantis saying that If Ben wanted to he could erase "all of existence"

Ben unless he's bloodlusted won't ever use EE

The only exception I see this is if the person he's fighting he knows is a threat to the universe and thats a huge if

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

EE is not out of character we can't really tell anything about his character, everytime he shows up he uses different ability so EE is not a big out of character

EE is in character for Belecus and Serena as they had no issue with wanting to kill Paradox for entering their Pocket Dimension.

Ben has no issue killing either.

 

[MrLuk2000]

Is this Alien X being controlled by Bellicus and Serena or Ben?

 

[MrLuk2000]

EE is in character for Belecus and Serena as they had no issue with wanting to kill Paradox for entering their Pocket Dimension.

Ben has no issue killing either.

Bellicus and Serena had no qualm as Paradox broke an agreement where he's not allowed to be within a 500 million light year distance between any Celestialsapien

Ben had no qualm because Kevin went rouge and was absorbing people

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Is this Alien X being controlled by Bellicus and Serena or Ben?

Ben, otherwise they would be in deadlock

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

The EE only comes from a statement from Servantis saying that If Ben wanted to he could erase "all of existence"

Ben unless he's bloodlusted won't ever use EE

The only exception I see this is if the person he's fighting he knows is a threat to the universe and thats a huge if.

As far as I know Hulk uses brute physicality as his prime means of fighting. X can physically restrain him via telekinesis. X currently has better LS.

Is this Alien X being controlled by Bellicus and Serena or Ben?

Likely Ben. They've given him full control in Omniverse.

 

[MrLuk2000]

Ben, otherwise they would be in deadlock

If this is Ben then he's not using EE probably not even as a last resort. His mindset is taking people down not out

 

[MrLuk2000]

As far as I know Hulk uses brute physicality as his prime means of fighting. X can physically restrain him via telekinesis. X currently has better LS.

Likely Ben. They've given him full control in Omniverse.

That could be one of his wincon. Just restraining him until he reverts back into Banner

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

That could be one of his wincon. Just restraining him until he reverts back into Banner

Body Puppetry is also useful to stop the fight.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Power Mimicry looks like a wincon too

 

[Brogeefrong]

Power Mimicry looks like a wincon too

I dont think X could copy Hulk's gamma stuff cause it's Low 1-A stuff

Alien X has no means to put Hulk down permanently and vice versa. Hulk could get an AP advantage when sufficiently enraged but I don't see anything in his profile that can bypass Low-Godly regen and Type 9 immortality

For Low-Godly Hulk has NPI for the mind, for the Type 9 immo tho, maybe Hulk could shatter through Space-Time and punch into X's Pocket Dimension?

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Only Alien X wincon is EE but thats out of character unless he's bloodlusted

Alien X's only ic hax is his Reality Warping and Mind Hax which both Hulk resists. Others are non-combat applicable

Body Puppetry will help as X has higher lifting strength.

So this most likely comes down to a fist fight which I would give the Hulk an edge on but Low-Godly regen is there. Any other abilities that Alien X has, I'm sure he can just thunderclap it away however Hulk will have trouble catching up to Alien X as Alien X can fly and teleport

Hulk can destroy as many X avatars as he wants. Hulk can't reach X's pocket dimension. So he can summon as many as he wants with no fear of timing out.

Alien X has no means to put Hulk down permanently and vice versa. Hulk could get an AP advantage when sufficiently enraged but I don't see anything in his profile that can bypass Low-Godly regen and Type 9 immortality

X can just not fight/tp away, let Hulk calm down and come back when Hulk turned back into Banner. X has Nigh-Omniscience and Cosmic Awareness, so he'll be aware of everything. Hulk also has limited stamina. So he'll get tired eventually while X can keep going.

The fist fight will eventually turn into Hulk rag dolling Alien X until he gets tired but at that point, I think Ben will also be out of commission to fight back as he is human. Put me down in incon for now

Ben will be completely unaffected in X's pocket dimension. It takes High 1-B range to affect him. Which Hulk lacks.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Can’t Hulk be reverted to Banner if he overexerts himself? Since it’s been established he has to really push himself to do lasting damage to Alien X, I can see that happening. Not to mention Alien X has infinite stamina and can attack Hulk with clones plus holds an LS advantage (Immesurable >>> Infinite). It’s seeming like X has better methods of outlasting here.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

For Low-Godly Hulk has NPI for the mind, for the Type 9 immo tho, maybe Hulk could shatter through Space-Time and punch into X's Pocket Dimension?

People tend to forget that Ben is part of Alien X. Ben has resistance to mind manipulation. That still won't give the sufficient range as it allows him to travel between dimensions/universes and not higher dimensionality.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

I dont think X could copy Hulk's gamma stuff cause it's Low 1-A stuff

For Low-Godly Hulk has NPI for the mind, for the Type 9 immo tho, maybe Hulk could shatter through Space-Time and punch into X's Pocket Dimension?

his power mimicry works like he can take any ability from his own verse

 

[Brogeefrong]

People tend to forget that Ben is part of Alien X. Ben has resistance to mind manipulation

That doesnt stop the mind from being interacted with, with npi

. That still won't give the sufficient range as it allows him to travel between dimensions/universes and not higher dimensionality.

The universes in Marvel are High 1-B iirc

his power mimicry works like he can take any ability from his own verse

Hulk's power is based off a High 1-A source im pretty sure

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Can’t Hulk be reverted to Banner if he overexerts himself?

Either way Alien x can revert Hulk back to Banner with body puppetry like when he did to Phil

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

That doesnt stop the mind from being interacted with, with npi

The universes in Marvel are High 1-B iirc

Hulk's power is based off a High 1-A source im pretty sure

The range is still listed as Interdimensional

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

That doesnt stop the mind from being interacted with, with npi

It will stop/nullify Hulk's mental attacks via his npi.

The universes in Marvel are High 1-B iirc

iirc? What is that again? Then the range should be specified on his profile. And it is done via portals/holes in reality.

The range is still listed as Interdimensional

Hulk's power is based off a High 1-A source im pretty sure

That doesn't add to his own AP. His AP is still equalized with AX.

 

[Brogeefrong]

The range is still listed as Interdimensional

i mean i think that the interdimensional range extends to a High 1-A plane cause One below all

It will stop/nullify Hulk's mental attacks via his npi.

I dont think thats how it works
Mind manipulation resistence stops the Mind from being manipulated itself, not from being interacted, and he also has CM Type 1 to interact with X

iirc? What is that again?

if i recall

That doesn't add to his own AP. His AP is still equalized with AX.

It doesnt, but it means X cant copy his powers

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

i mean i think that the interdimensional range extends to a High 1-A plane cause One below all

Interdimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach beyond the conventional space-time of a single universe, into external pocket realities or parts of other universes, but that can't travel a universal distance, can't affect multiple of these other realities at the same time, and can't reach into other multiverses or higher constructs.

 

[MintyBoi1]

So Ben’s win cons are outlasting, EE if he becomes enraged enough, and holding Hulk still with telekinesis. What are Hulk’s win cons besides this vaguely applicable mind manipulation?

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

if it is High 1-A then it requires a crt for that

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

i mean i think that the interdimensional range extends to a High 1-A plane cause One below all

Then make a CRT on it to add it to his profile.
Apparently it takes interdimensional range to reach the Place Below, so no H1B.

I dont think thats how it works
Mind manipulation resistence stops the Mind from being manipulated itself, not from being interacted, and he also has CM Type 1 to interact with X

Failing to see the difference. One is affecting the Mind directly via nfi and the other is affecting the Mind via Mind manipulation.

Read the Conceptual manipulation page. Hulk manipulates the concept of gamma energy.
Extract:
All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the object of the concepts they have been shown to manipulate. A character able to manipulate the concept of darkness is not able to manipulate the concept of matter or an individual unless otherwise shown.
So he can't affect X or his pocket dimension.

if i recall

Still not seeing how it gives H1B range.

It doesnt, but it means X cant copy his powers

his power mimicry works like he can take any ability from his own verse

So that'll give X radiation manipulation from NRG or Atomix to absorb Hulk's gamma radiation like Silver Surfer did. Or use Type 3 madness manipulation to cause Hulk to go mentally insane or any of the other 70+ aliens Ben has.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

So Ben’s win cons are outlasting, EE if he becomes enraged enough, and holding Hulk still with telekinesis. What are Hulk’s win cons besides this vaguely applicable mind manipulation?

also body puppetry and power mimicry

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

So Ben’s win cons are outlasting, EE if he becomes enraged enough, and holding Hulk still with telekinesis. What are Hulk’s win cons besides this vaguely applicable mind manipulation?

also body puppetry and power mimicry

Type 9 Immortality also makes him and his personalities impossible to reach or affect.

 

[Excellence616]

Can’t Hulk be reverted to Banner if he overexerts himself?

A weakness of merged hulk. Not Childlike Hulk

 

[Excellence616]

The universes in Marvel are High 1-B iirc

Depending, but Low 1-A not High 1-B.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

A weakness of merged hulk. Not Childlike Hulk

He'd still have finite stamina.

Depending, but Low 1-A not High 1-B.

His tier is still H1B. So their AP is equal.