Alice Fuji fights a Shadowy Assassin

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Shide vs Alice

AP;

Shide: Scales massively higher than 0.009 Tons of TNT
Alice: Scales above 0.0083652 Tons of TNT
Rules;

• Equalized speed
• 5 meters apart
• Shide is in his shadow form key

Egotistical Aizen (Shide): 0
Spiderman Ah Assassin (Alice):0
They kiss (Inconclusive): @azontr @Fallen_Angelicx @Hiiilt

 

[azontr]

Alice wins easily.

Shide is not nearly as skilled as her in combat, not to mention she has a basically instant win move via CEC & CMC, which allows her to basically see him as frozen and continuously boost her actual combat speed to that same realm.

He's carried by regeneration, which is why I don't think this is a stomp; since Alice doesn't have any fire based skills that could hinder it. But otherwise, Shide doesn't lay a hand on her and she slices him to bits over and over.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Shide is not nearly as skilled as her in combat,

This is far from the truth. Shide has 300+ years of overall experience in combat (He has this many years fighting as a shadow), he could also overpower ryuunosuke in skill with ryuunosuke having supernatural adapting capabilities as he can mimic the actions of others to counter them. What skill does she have comparable to his as a mere assassin?

she has a basically instant win move via CEC & CMC, which allows her to basically see him as frozen and continuously boost her actual combat speed to that same realm

this happens overtime. With shide's ap being much higher an echo from him would be a detrimental blow to her as it attacks with the same exact force and speed. Shide's first priority would be to eliminate his opponent via killing even with cheap measures so this isn't far fetched.

He's carried by regeneration

False. His armour is unaffected by mere physical attacks especially ones far weaker than his own. It simply tanks and reforms. Shide can also reshape his whole armour to blades giving him capabilities like piercing damage which would be very harmful or even kill alice if she's hit once. Shide can create the weapons listed on his profile via his armour which he uses in close combat to distract opponents like
'Firing a gun at his opponent close range and while they're busy dodging he extends his range to capture or shoot his opponent'. Alice will hav a hard time with shide, and a speed advantage overtime is easily useless via echo. She would likely die to shide's especially incredible range, body control and usery of weaponry in close combat as she doesn't have any mobility to like insane acrobatics or precognition to foresee which even with such hax, people in str had trouble keeping up.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Shide doesn't lay a hand on her and she slices him to bits over and over.

This point is easily debunkable. Since she uses a ranged weapon and webs, shide simply uses echo even to clash with her and overpower her via the force. Shide could repeatedly use echo and even copy her weapon and use it against her (her weapon has special abilities right?). He would be able to outlast her in the end as his stamina isn't hindered due to his shadow body. Shide has fought an opponent comparable to him in AP and who could perception blitz him so this wouldn't be new to him and as such he could easily outlast her. At it's worse this would be inconclusive, she has no way to harm shide directly or restrain him (his shadow body can break apart and reform itself) to shide winning via echo simply throwing back the force of her attacks back to her, outskiling via experience, using piercing damage to fatally injure alice BEFORE her boost kicks in.

 

[azontr]

This is far from the truth. Shide has 300+ years of overall experience in combat (He has this many years fighting as a shadow), he could also overpower ryuunosuke in skill with ryuunosuke having supernatural adapting capabilities as he can mimic the actions of others to counter them. What skill does she have comparable to his as a mere assassin?

300 years of experience is not a relevant metric of skill. In comparison to Alice, it doesn't really matter, because it's just experience, not a feat.

Alice is better than people who are capable of predicting moves through sensing minute ripples in the air waves, and who can fight even if they've been potentially decapitated. She's outpredicted people who have basically future sight with sheer combat skill + even better instinctive actions than what was previously listed with bare minimum training.

She can master skills that takes 3 decades to master in a mere 2 weeks, and can master skills that'd take 1 hour for someone to learn in a single second. Shide is not even close to Alice.

this happens overtime. With shide's ap being much higher an echo from him would be a detrimental blow to her as it attacks with the same exact force and speed. Shide's first priority would be to eliminate his opponent via killing even with cheap measures so this isn't far fetched.

No, it doesn't. It activates based on Alice's concentration, and it can happen basically instantaneously. Actually look at the scans on the profile and point out to me where it's mentioned it takes time for Alice to do this.

And no, Shide doesn't have much higher AP. He has a 1.07588581265 times AP advantage, not even 1.1 times. Unless he has some insanely significant scaling chain, his advantage basically is non existent.

False. His armour is unaffected by mere physical attacks especially ones far weaker than his own.

She's not far weaker than him. She'd also just use the Kumoito's thread to slip through the gaps in his armor.

Shide can also reshape his whole armour to blades giving him capabilities like piercing damage which would be very harmful or even kill alice if she's hit once.

Simple solution: he's not going to hit her in a million years.

'Firing a gun at his opponent close range and while they're busy dodging he extends his range to capture or shoot his opponent

In character Alice has the Kumoito's thread set up across the area to either lay traps or massively extend her senses; in case of her senses, she can sense incredibly minor details about the world, so literally no move that Shide makes will be outside of Alice's radar.

Taking into account she has both insane Analytical Prediction + Instincts, she's not getting hit.

Alice will hav a hard time with shide, and a speed advantage overtime is easily useless via echo.

It's not overtime. It's literally not overtime.

Alice just needs to concernatrate to activate it; you are lying and it's obvious.

She would likely die to shide's especially incredible range, body control and usery of weaponry in close combat as she doesn't have any mobility to like insane acrobatics or precognition to foresee which even with such hax, people in str had trouble keeping up.

Literally none of these matter because Alice is both much faster and more skilled. Unless the people in STR have some kind of crazy skill feats to go along with that precog, it is an empty claim.

This point is easily debunkable. Since she uses a ranged weapon and webs, shide simply uses echo even to clash with her and overpower her via the force

He literally can't overpower her because he's not even 1.1 times stronger than her.

He would be able to outlast her in the end as his stamina isn't hindered due to his shadow body.

Shide isn't outlasting Alice in a million years. Unless he's endured being injected with a poison that's 1000x more powerful than a poison that's so painful that it's like walking on hot coals with rusty nails embedded in your feet, so painful that a man would rather slice his arms off than endure it, for multiple injections across his body, and gotten up and moved just fine, proceeding to endure several other fights with the same kind of damage, Alice's stamina is an an entirely different dimension than Shide's.

At it's worse this would be inconclusive, she has no way to harm shide directly or restrain him (his shadow body can break apart and reform itself) to shide winning via echo simply throwing back the force of her attacks back to her, outskiling via experience, using piercing damage to fatally injure alice BEFORE her boost kicks in.

It'd be the worst inconclusive in the history of inconclusives, because Shide is: less skilled, slower, not stronger, has less stamina... he basically has no advantages and is getting carried by gimmicks that Alice won't even blink at.

 

[First_Witch]

300 years of experience is not a relevant metric of skill. In comparison to Alice, it doesn't really matter, because it's just experience, not a feat.

Alice is better than people who are capable of predicting moves through sensing minute ripples in the air waves, and who can fight even if they've been potentially decapitated. She's outpredicted people who have basically future sight with sheer combat skill + even better instinctive actions than what was previously listed with bare minimum training.

She can master skills that takes 3 decades to master in a mere 2 weeks, and can master skills that'd take 1 hour for someone to learn in a single second. Shide is not even close to Alice.

No, it doesn't. It activates based on Alice's concentration, and it can happen basically instantaneously. Actually look at the scans on the profile and point out to me where it's mentioned it takes time for Alice to do this.

And no, Shide doesn't have much higher AP. He has a 1.07588581265 times AP advantage, not even 1.1 times. Unless he has some insanely significant scaling chain, his advantage basically is non existent.

She's not far weaker than him. She'd also just use the Kumoito's thread to slip through the gaps in his armor.

Simple solution: he's not going to hit her in a million years.

In character Alice has the Kumoito's thread set up across the area to either lay traps or massively extend her senses; in case of her senses, she can sense incredibly minor details about the world, so literally no move that Shide makes will be outside of Alice's radar.

Taking into account she has both insane Analytical Prediction + Instincts, she's not getting hit.

It's not overtime. It's literally not overtime.

Alice just needs to concernatrate to activate it; you are lying and it's obvious.

Literally none of these matter because Alice is both much faster and more skilled. Unless the people in STR have some kind of crazy skill feats to go along with that precog, it is an empty claim.

He literally can't overpower her because he's not even 1.1 times stronger than her.

Shide isn't outlasting Alice in a million years. Unless he's endured being injected with a poison that's 1000x more powerful than a poison that's so painful that it's like walking on hot coals with rusty nails embedded in your feet, so painful that a man would rather slice his arms off than endure it, for multiple injections across his body, and gotten up and moved just fine, proceeding to endure several other fights with the same kind of damage, Alice's stamina is an an entirely different dimension than Shide's.

It'd be the worst inconclusive in the history of inconclusives, because Shide is: less skilled, slower, not stronger, has less stamina... he basically has no advantages and is getting carried by gimmicks that Alice won't even blink at.

I was JUST going to reply thinking youre still burned out from versus debating lmfao.

 

[azontr]

 

[First_Witch]

He would be able to outlast her in the end as his stamina isn't hindered due to his shadow body. Shide has fought an opponent comparable to him in AP and who could perception blitz him so this wouldn't be new to him and as such he could easily outlast her.

Also, Alice's Perception and blitzing has a scaling.

Alice's baseline CEC seeing the world in slow motion > Dinoponeras CMC Blitzing Alice in her CEC > Alice stealing CMC and blitzing Dinoponera in her CMC. Shide is going to appear even slower than a timestop to Alice

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

300 years of experience is not a relevant metric of skill. In comparison to Alice, it doesn't really matter, because it's just experience, not a feat.

It's not a feat? His experience as a fighter gives him an advantage in battle which alice doesn't have the experience to counter. I've also stated he can fight people who can literally copy/counter his fighting style and still win rather easily, so this is a skill feat, i don't understand why you think it's not. Like experience fighting boostes your skill in battle. Null point.

Alice is better than people who are capable of predicting moves through sensing minute ripples in the air waves, and who can fight even if they've been potentially decapitated. She's outpredicted people who have basically future sight with sheer combat skill + even better instinctive actions than what was previously listed with bare minimum training.

None of this is on her profile so it's not usable, nor anything linked lol. Shide has a counter for people who ca detect his attacks; He can transfer his data into projectiles thrown at an enemy diverting thier attattention to a bullet fired by him and transfer his data behind them giving suprise strikes, you'd need to be able to sense him as data to counter this which Alice doesn't have,.

She can master skills that takes 3 decades to master in a mere 2 weeks, and can master skills that'd take 1 hour for someone to learn in a single second. Shide is not even close to Alice.

Accelerated development... Does she even use that in combat? Again if you go the route of "she copies his skills", shide has fought someone with this capability.

No, it doesn't. It activates based on Alice's concentration, and it can happen basically instantaneously. Actually look at the scans on the profile and point out to me where it's mentioned it takes time for Alice to do this.

My bad. Now how does she deal with echo, wouldn't it break her concentration as it's an attack that literally happens in real time to counter opponents.

Simple solution: he's not going to hit her in a million years.

Seems so. After a while, Her boost will be absolutely detrimental.

Unless he has s his advantage basically is non existent.

How does she deal with echo? That's an advantage, and yes i said " massively " in OP for a reason, he scales at least 2 one shot gaps above a mid tier in the verse. Which is why echo would be deadly to alice.

more skilled.

More skilled than someone with 300+ years of fighting experience? Alice's intelligence is listed as "Very High" while Shide is a whole genius. This alone makes the evident difference in skill

Shide isn't outlasting Alice in a million years. Unless he's endured being injected with a poison that's 1000x more powerful than a poison that's so painful that it's like walking on hot coals with rusty nails embedded in your feet, so painful that a man would rather slice his arms off than endure it, for multiple injections across his body, and gotten up and moved just fine, proceeding to endure several other fights with the same kind of damage, Alice's stamina is an an entirely different dimension than Shide's.

Those are pain tolerance feats. Those aren't feats that determine how long you can fight, doesn't matter. Shide outlasts based on how long he'd be able to fight her for, his stamina being basically infinite as he fights with his human form being the only thing that gets tired, he can stay conscious for over 4 days so.

It's not overtime. It's literally not overtime.

Alice just needs to concernatrate to activate it;

My bad. The profile explains it as something that happens overtime. It doesn't state it's an immediate trigger. As it's literally statistic increase that makes her move fast up to a point she sees everything as frozen. It's the profiles fault, not mines so please do not say anything that's disingenuous and accusative. Not everything had seen the verse and usually read profiles to know stuff so saying im lying is completely random.

is an empty claim

How? The characters in the show have action mimicry, adapting along with precognition and shide can overpower them just fine. Them by themselves are trained mercenaries but that doesn't even matter, he fights supernatural beings that can copy his own movement, are comparable to him in strength and overpower them based off his simple experience fighting as a shadow for up to 300+ years. Hes fighting against a supernatural force with people on the same level as him but stand no chance (that aren't shadows), it's like saying broly being able to adapt strength and combat abilities to others but him still losing is not a skill feat. It's very clear it is, alice fights people with combat helpful skills while shide fights a whole copycat and still beats them obviously skill based.

less skilled, slower, not stronger, has less stamina... he basically has no advantages and

I've established above the skill difference along with the longlasting stamina difference, he is massively stronger as he upscales from at least 2 onshot gaps and his advantage is his armour which cannot be bypassed by her.

him. She'd also just use the Kumoito's thread to slip through the gaps in his armor.

First of all incorrect. Can her kumiko interact with Abstract Beings including data manipulation, memory and mind manipulation, (mind and memory haven't been accepted yet but data stands) Don't think so. Besides there are no gaps in his armour for the kumiko to attack, that's a false claim which cannot be proven. Infact, His armour has no weakness for her to attack. If she uses a single thread on him, his echo kicks in yo counter (strikes with the same force and properties as hers), if she can't dodge then she's finished, it takes into consideration speed aswell so the gap in speed can be made up for echo which would oneshot her for reasons above (AP being 2 one shots higher than 0.009). According to her profile, she doesn't immediately get the frozen time perception thingy, it happens overtime but ofc her speed boost is instant.
In conclusion
Outskilling (which she doesn't), and being faster than shide means nothing (he has fought against people with these capabilities and all he has to do is out skill them or outlast them in stamina: how long they an fight for) as she can't harm him because of his armour. This is inconclusive for said reasons, but shide has a chance of winning via his echo (being 50 meters in his range is all it takes for activation, alice is going to have to use her bare fist to even fight because using a weapon immediately triggers echo)

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Also, Alice's Perception and blitzing has a scaling.

Alice's baseline CEC seeing the world in slow motion > Dinoponeras CMC Blitzing Alice in her CEC > Alice stealing CMC and blitzing Dinoponera in her CMC. Shide is going to appear even slower than a timestop to

Inconclusive matchup. Shide is stronger by a massive lot. Alice is so fast she's sees him as still. His armour stops him from taking physical damage to his real body and alice has nothing to bypass it. According to the profile, she fights for a while then becomes so fast she sees her opponent as still in time (Stat amp) so it's overtime although even at the beginning of the fight, she starts gaining speed. Shide can counter her speed with echo rather easily which could pose a threat. How does she deal with echo?

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Thihg is shude also starts off with higher perception speed seeing the world in slow motion to the point a second feels long. Side won't have a hard time fighting Alice before she activates her see through world ability

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Does alice even start off with her speed amps? Like as the match begins, she activates her ability? Please be truthful here. It seems to be an ability she uses when her opponent is overpowering her as i don't see how she'd just use it like that unless she takes her battles very seriously

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

All alice has going fo her is a speed amp, nothing else. She can't harm shide in anyway possible, shide has a massive edge in stamina and skill, and is stronger. While i do agree shide can't hit her, there's a very high chance echo will, no arguments were made to counter echo despite me mentioning it over 5 times far. If she doesnt use her amps at the beginning of a fight in character then shide has a very high chance of winning.

 

[azontr]

It's not a feat? His experience as a fighter gives him an advantage in battle which alice doesn't have the experience to counter. I've also stated he can fight people who can literally copy/counter his fighting style and still win rather easily, so this is a skill feat, i don't understand why you think it's not. Like experience fighting boostes your skill in battle. Null point.

Experience is skill without substance. We don't know what Shide was facing throughout those 300 years of combat. He could've been fighting people not even close to Alice in skill, or with no feats of their own.

Experience is helpful, but it needs feats along with it for it to be meaningful. If Shide just has "300 years of experience" then it's not a feat, it's a statement that lacks feats.

If you said "He has 300 years of experience + here are some other feats he's done" then it would be a more substantial claim than "He has 300 years of experience". Because it doesn't matter how long you do something if you aren't good at it. You can be an artist for 30 years, but someone whose only practiced for 10 years can be better than you. You can be an artist for 300 years, and someone whose only practiced for 100 years can be better than you.

Experience ≠ skill.

None of this is on her profile so it's not usable, nor anything linked lol. Shide has a counter for people who ca detect his attacks; He can transfer his data into projectiles thrown at an enemy diverting thier attattention to a bullet fired by him and transfer his data behind them giving suprise strikes, you'd need to be able to sense him as data to counter this which Alice doesn't have,

It doesn't need to be on the profile; it should be, but it doesn't need to be. The only way this would need to be on the profile is if it was some kind of new stat, or new ability, but it's not, it's all just skill for Alice, which you don't need to list every single feat.

Cool that he has a counter, Alice has countered people who counter people who counter people who detect attacks. Big difference.

Accelerated development... Does she even use that in combat? Again if you go the route of "she copies his skills", shide has fought someone with this capability.

Alice can copy someone's skills so perfectly that she was still much better even though she considered herself having not really surpassed her opponent. Idk who this guy is, but its very doubtful he can replicate skills as effectively as Alice can, who can replicate skills so well that even incomplete replications, in her eyes, are much better than the original.

My bad. Now how does she deal with echo, wouldn't it break her concentration as it's an attack that literally happens in real time to counter opponents.

She can concentrate perfectly when stabbed in multiple areas by that poison I mentioned. She'll be fine; not to mention she'd just dodge the attack.

More skilled than someone with 300+ years of fighting experience? Alice's intelligence is listed as "Very High" while Shide is a whole genius. This alone makes the evident difference in skill

I would advise you to look at things with a bit more insight. Intelligence ratings aren't anything at all.

If I wanted to, I could make a CRT to list Alice as an Extraordinary Genius right now and I'm pretty sure it would get accepted without much issue; but I haven't, because she doesn't need a "Genius" rating for her to be considered an intelligent character. Ratings aren't everything, it's feats, and if you really, really want me to get her a rating, I'll do it literally rn.

Those are pain tolerance feats. Those aren't feats that determine how long you can fight, doesn't matter. Shide outlasts based on how long he'd be able to fight her for, his stamina being basically infinite as he fights with his human form being the only thing that gets tired, he can stay conscious for over 4 days so.

Again, please look at the situation with a bit more insight. Pain and injury play a big role in how long you can stay conscious. That's how stamina works.

I consider fighting for an entire day straight while under the effects of an insane poison like that far, far more impressive than just staying conscious for 4 days doing presumably nothing. Fighting while injured will, most of the time, be more impressive than fighting while not injured unless you're fighting for obscenely long periods of time like for months or years or things of that nature.

If you are going to claim that Shide has infinite stamina, then do provide evidence for that claim, because FAR unlike intelligence feats, stamina ratings do need to be on the profile, and i wont be considering it a factor.

Not to mention, the profile doesn't mention him staying conscious for 4 days either, so like... you get on my case for things not being on the profile, yet also mention things that aren't on the profile. So are we going to be hypocritical or are we going to make an actual point?

How? The characters in the show have action mimicry, adapting along with precognition and shide can overpower them just fine.

If he overpowered them how is that a skill feat.. can you actually show scans of how Shide fought these supposed people?

Them by themselves are trained mercenaries but that doesn't even matter, he fights supernatural beings that can copy his own movement, are comparable to him in strength and overpower them based off his simple experience fighting as a shadow for up to 300+ years.

Them being trained mercenaries isn't much to be impressed about. The average assassin for the organization are part of the upper echelon of killers in the entire world who constantly regulate overpopulation through killing, and killers literal world's beneath Alice can slaughter countless troops like nothing, something Dinoponera as a Chile could do simply by imitating her father's actions.

Him fighting supernatural beings is empty unless you show me HOW he fights them. Just saying he fights them doesn't prove your claim that he's more skilled than Alice just because he fights for 300 years... all it does is tell me that he did something, but doesn't elaborate on the method.

If I told you that "um, Alice overpowered these guys!" you'd ask for more context as well, right? I will literally provide the exact context you are looking for:

Gokiburi's air sensing is negged by Alice's CEC (CEC has separate applications, the ability to slow down and speed is separate from the quick and precise decision provided by concentration), which is negged by Dinoponera's CMC which has the same ability and can read movements based on an obscene number of physical factors, which is then negged by Sasori's "future sight", Alice then engages in a prediction battle with Sasori's future sight after her speed boost (which is far superior to Dinoponera's) barely allows her to hit par for her to engage in the prediction battle, and after beating Sasori Alice faces Suzumebachi who crushes her so thoroughly that it's not even a matter of speed with his own CEC, and then grows to the point she easily defeats even him.

That's Alice's scaling chain, and anyone will consider that to be light years better than "I've fought for 300 years!" Such a statement is completely substanceless with no feats supporting it; it's a non feat to the point I barely consider it a factor.

I've established above the skill difference along with the longlasting stamina difference

And I just debunked it. Quite thoroughly.

First of all incorrect. Can her kumiko interact with Abstract Beings including data manipulation, memory and mind manipulation, (mind and memory haven't been accepted yet but data stands

Not on the profile!

Shide's armor is said to be made of nothingness, no mention of data anywhere. So, any evidence?

Besides there are no gaps in his armour for the kumiko to attack, that's a false claim which cannot be proven

The armor morphs and shifts in the scans on the profile. If it's not constantly a solid mass, it inherently has gaps.

If she uses a single thread on him, his echo kicks in yo counter (strikes with the same force and properties as hers)

Nowhere on his profile says that Echo is an automatic ability, he has to use it consciously, and given Alice is FAR MORE SKILLED as I've spent several paragraphs detailing, and far faster, he will never land it on her.

she can't dodge then she's finished

Luckily she can dodge it, lol.

it takes into consideration speed aswell so the gap in speed can be made up for echo which would oneshot her for reasons above (AP being 2 one shots higher than 0.009). According to her profile, she doesn't immediately get the frozen time perception thingy, it happens overtime but ofc her speed boost is instant.

Literally where does it say that it takes time for her to activate her perception? Cause based on the scans it happens instantaneously, something I've already provided evidence of.

And even if it's as fast as her, Alice will still dodge it; she's fought and beaten people as fast or faster than her before, something I've already shown above.

I'm not even going to respond to the babbling that comes after this because I don't feel like repeating shit I've already said. All I gots to say is that you need to look at how fights work with a less narrow viewpoint.

As Alice has no way to kill Shide permanently, I will vote inconclusive.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Experience is skill without substance. We don't know what Shide was facing throughout those 300 years of combat. He could've been fighting people not even close to Alice in skill, or with no feats of their own.

Experience is helpful, but it needs feats along with it for it to be meaningful. If Shide just has "300 years of experience" then it's not a feat, it's a statement that lacks feats.

If you said "He has 300 years of experience + here are some other feats he's done" then it would be a more substantial claim than "He has 300 years of experience". Because it doesn't matter how long you do something if you aren't good at it. You can be an artist for 30 years, but someone whose only practiced for 10 years can be better than you. You can be an artist for 300 years, and someone whose only practiced for 100 years can be better than you.

Experience ≠ skill.

After rechecking for evidence on shide. He has 300+ years expierience fighting AS a shadow and what you're saying here makes sense. He has multiple skill feats but i doubt they would be enough. His best one tho is beating someone who could copy and counter his own fighting style so. Alice takes skill here.

its very doubtful he can replicate skills as effectively as Alice can

It isn't as simple as adapting to an opponents style. Ryuunosuke has the ability to copy actions via being a shadow after seeing said actions. Check shinpei's ryuunosuke hax key for furhur evidence.

can you actually show scans of how Shide fought these supposed people?

Imgur is down for me rn but in chapter 135/136. He just uses his transfer data abilities and echo to make unpredictable movements which proves very difficult for people who can adapt to his actions.

Not on the profile!

Shide's armor is said to be made of nothingness, no mention of data anywhere. So, any evidence?

Shadows are essentially data and his armour is filled with them. Check haine's hax section for reference for what shadows can do. Verse is under development rn so most things may not be there. I'll make something later addressing what his armour is made of instead of only having what it can do

The armor morphs and shifts in the scans on the profile. If it's not constantly a solid mass, it inherently has gaps.

That doesn't prove it has gaps in it. Him being able to reform the whole thing stands for how versatile and manipulative his armour is as its controlled based on his will, it can form from absolutely nothing, the armours only weakness being removed (shadow on the ground) To get to shide, you'd need something that can possess/disable the armour itself. His body is completely covered in this mud and there's nothing suggesting an opening so it's wrong to assume that.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Ngl if i used regular shide, he would've been cooked almost although he ca summon his armour at some instances. I'll vote inconclusive aswell, although alice is faster to the point she can see him as still, she can't get through shide's armour. Alice s a worthy opponent wth

 

[azontr]

If we both believe incon is the way to go, there doesn't seem to be more to debate about. Cheers.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

If we both believe incon is the way to go, there doesn't seem to be more to debate about. Cheers.

Was a fun debate for me regardless. Gives me the motivation to read alice's manga as she sounds op. Also notes me on how to improve shide's profile cuz there's many things he has in the manga which i haven't added like infinite stamina and AE1. Do we get this closed now and add results to profile?

 

[First_Witch]

If I wanted to, I could make a CRT to list Alice as an Extraordinary Genius right now and I'm pretty sure it would get accepted without much issue; but I haven't, because she doesn't need a "Genius" rating for her to be considered an intelligent character. Ratings aren't everything, it's feats, and if you really, really want me to get her a rating, I'll do it literally rn.

I dont believe you. That sounds like I wank, I dare you to debunk me

 

[azontr]

I dont believe you. That sounds like I wank, I dare you to debunk me

Bet.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

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[azontr]

There's not even close to enough votes for this to be added. It needs 7.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Oop. Let's keep bumping ig

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

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[Fallen_Angelicx]

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[Fallen_Angelicx]

Bump Might spin back with Supergenius Shide and a infinite speed amp via shadow physiology later

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Bump

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Bump

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

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[Fallen_Angelicx]

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[Fallen_Angelicx]

Bump 3 votes left to go

 

[First_Witch]

Why am I listed as voter.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Why am I listed as voter.

Oh i thought you didn't have any contentions to inconclusive since you didnt contend after me and the other dude came to an agreement + we've already established that alice can't bypass shide's armour to use her abilities on him despite her being massively faster so it's pretty much an inconclusive mismatch.