About the mechanics of layers, greater, and such?

[Sir0ayonimax]

I want to ask, why doesn't the VSB provide an official qualification on how the mechanism of layers or the like works in a verse? Because there are so many debaters who do their own interpretation of how the mechanism works and also causes confusion if there is a conflict between opinions because there is no official reference regarding the mechanism, specifically layers that I mean here is about layers and the like working in the form of hax, starting from the conditions such as what is allowed and what is not allowed. That's all, thank you.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

I do remember @Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara created a thread about hax layering in past, but idk what outcome it got.

 

[Benimōru]

There is already an official text about how layering works on the hax page.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Hmm so it got concluded.

 

[KLOL506]

We do. From our hax page:

"Layering is the ability to break through resistances to one's ability/hax. Successfully using an ability against a resistant character means that the ability is "layered." Further, resisting a layered ability is an indication of layered resistance, so on and so forth. An ability becoming stronger does not automatically mean it is layered unless it is shown to overcome a resistance. Crucially this is not the same as resistance negation, which overcomes resistance via a special additional ability rather than the hax itself being more powerful.

Moreover, layering should not be thought of as applying to abilities which intuitively can be overcome with magnitude, such as heat resistance or analytical prediction. For instance, it is not layered fire manipulation to burn someone with a heat source hotter than they can withstand.

As mentioned in Note 2 above, layers are just one way to prove exceptional potency of an ability and could be overcome by abilities that have shown potency by other means. In reverse, an ability with many layers could also be potent enough to overcome a resistance that worked against a hax that is exceptionally potent in other ways. How exactly different showings of potency compare is highly case-by-case and in general might be inconclusive."

 

[Sir0ayonimax]

I do remember @Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara created a thread about hax layering in past, but idk what outcome it got.

Thank you for your presence in my thread and thanks for the input

 

[Sir0ayonimax]

There is already an official text about how layering works on the hax page.

Thank you for your presence and input

 

[Sir0ayonimax]

We do. From our hax page:

"Layering is the ability to break through resistances to one's ability/hax. Successfully using an ability against a resistant character means that the ability is "layered." Further, resisting a layered ability is an indication of layered resistance, so on and so forth. An ability becoming stronger does not automatically mean it is layered unless it is shown to overcome a resistance. Crucially this is not the same as resistance negation, which overcomes resistance via a special additional ability rather than the hax itself being more powerful.

Moreover, layering should not be thought of as applying to abilities which intuitively can be overcome with magnitude, such as heat resistance or analytical prediction. For instance, it is not layered fire manipulation to burn someone with a heat source hotter than they can withstand.

As mentioned in Note 2 above, layers are just one way to prove exceptional potency of an ability and could be overcome by abilities that have shown potency by other means. In reverse, an ability with many layers could also be potent enough to overcome a resistance that worked against a hax that is exceptionally potent in other ways. How exactly different showings of potency compare is highly case-by-case and in general might be inconclusive."

Thank you Mr KLOL for your presence and input, my second question is, if a verse applies a numerical level or superiority system can it still get hax layering? for example level 3 which perfectly cannot be influenced by level 2 with the analogy of low cannot stand againts high, can the example get layering because it is above level 1 and 2 as level 3.

 

[KLOL506]

Nope, you can't. You need to have explicit showings of a resistance being overcome for layers to be established. Normal "stronger than" powerscaling isn't going to work here anymore.

 

[Sir0ayonimax]

Nope, you can't. You need to have explicit showings of a resistance being overcome for layers to be established. Normal "stronger than" powerscaling isn't going to work here anymore.

Okay thanks for the info, maybe I will ask more specifically later.