About 682 being a universal constant

[KoichiSamakibara]

Yes, I know he is, but... Isn't the fight supposed to take place in a neutral universe where none of the characters have any kind pre-advantage against his opponent? Because I feel like if a character is capable of destroying 682's 3-D body (like Beerus, for example), but not getting the win due to that is kinda unfair.

He is a universal constant. But to what universe? For some reason, to the heads of this wiki he's a universal constant to all universes. And that's weird, because he should be a constant only to his universe: the SCP-Verse. This wiki seems to be implying that if a character moves 682 to another universe, fights and kills it there, still causes universal collapse, even though only SCP-Verse should be affected.

None of the fights 682 was pitched was said to specifically take place in 682's verse. And the universes in question would still ruin after his 3-D death. That's uh... An issue that I have.

Can someone explain this to me? I might have missed something, but I'm pretty sure 682 being an universal constant should only apply to his "home" universe, shouldn't it?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It would apply to the neutral universe as well

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

That's not how it works. Sure the battlegrounnd is neutral, so that a character won't have access to outside help or such, but we don't strip characters away from their powers. We wouldn't put Star Wars characters into a universe without the force because "Neutral grounds". Otherwise, we would have to negate any abilities that relies on a universal force present in a certain fictional universe.

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

But there's an undeniable fact that 682's universal constant thing is SCP-Verse only. I can't see how that could be equalized.

With SW verse, we could simply make it so the neutral universe has the Force Planet somewhere in it or equalize it to some kind of TK (having the force planet in the neutral universe would be a disadvantage, because a wide enough blast would do it in, would it not?)

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

If you're going to introduce a whole concept to a """Neutral universe""", then what's stopping you from doing the same to 682 being a universal constant?

Beside this isn't how we do things.

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

Because that's tied to his universe and cannot be equalized like the Force can unless every universe has to have a 682. That's the only way I'd accept it. So far, only alternate timelines were shown to have 682 as far as the SCP mythos go. There exists many "different universes" in the verse as well and none of them were shown to have it in them. If 682's death would cause all of the universes to crumble, I could also see it as a way to equalize his power in the fight.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Koichi Actually, 682 does exist in EVERY universe in SCP, if he didnt there wouldnt be a universe, thats the point of it being a constant

The way it's equalized is if 682 dies the neutral universe is destroyed as well. The neutral universe is treated as 682's universe.

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

@WeeklyBattles

507 termination log disagrees with you: "Dear Universe 5802-Sigma-Blue-Romeo; It's your problem now, suckers."

http://www.scp-wiki.net/experiment-log-t-98816-oc108-682

This alone implies that 682 does not exist in "EVERY", as this universe basically sent 682 back along with 507 and didn't meantion having one already, rather, simply saying that 682 was their problem, not theirs.

 

[FateAlbane]

While the whole universe blowing up is stated as possibly in its profile, I think it's fair game.

It exists as an Universal Constant after all, so I agree that nullifying this one would be stripping the Lizard of one of its powers. Equalization would most likely make that stay (unless the character in question was able to take the battle to another universe or something, which would make the power irrelevant. Other than that, I do believe it makes sense for it to apply).

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You do realize that the alternate universe's 682 traveled back to its original universe after it was sent to universe 5802-Sigma-Blue-Romeo right? The point of 682 being a constant is that it exists in every universe.

 

[FateAlbane]

Think for example about Abstracts, or characters like Infinity and Eternity, or Pokemons like Dialga or Palkia.

They are still considered like that in VS Battles despite the fact that they're not necessarily taking place in their home universe.

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

@FateAlbane

Then I know who exactly to experiment with. Thanks. There's something else that I want to discuss, though.

Wouldn't an existance erasure techinique not nuliffy his powers anyway? If 682 does not exists (anymore), I could see it as a way to destroy it without affecting the universe. The Foundation is yet to test the "Hakai" on 682. Who know what might happen? Maybe his true-self would have to create another 3-D vessel because that one is gone?

@WeeklyBattles

You do realize that the second 682 is missing, is it not? I'm talking about the 5802-Sigma-Blue-Romeo 682. He's from another universe, that's correct. But still, a 682 is missing and never mentioned to be around.

You'd think the Foundation would have noticed it by now.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Koichi Unless the existence erasure destroys its 11-D incorporeal form and can kill beings beyond the ability for the Brothers Death, who are 11-D, to bring them back, it wont work.

Plus, Hakai only destroys the soul, so that technique wouldnt even work on 682 anyways.

 

[FateAlbane]

There's no 11-D 682. Azzy himself said that.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Fate Me and him talked it over and we agreed on his incorporeal form being 11-D trapped in a 3-D shell after the Brothers Death banned him from dying and banshed him to the 3-D universe

 

[FateAlbane]

@Koichi 1.No problem.

2. That's really not for me to answer. I gave my opinion in regards to the original question, now this is a whole different matter that I won't go speculating about.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You do realize that the second 682 is missing, is it not? I'm talking about the 5802-Sigma-Blue-Romeo 682. He's from another universe, that's correct. But still, a 682 is missing and never mentioned to be around.

You'd think the Foundation would have noticed it by now.

...What are you talking about? Both 682s went back to their respective universes and are currently in "containment". Neither are missing.

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

@WeeklyBattles That hurts. It's not even close to the truth.

Sidra Destroys a City (Dragon Ball Super Episode 91)

 

[FateAlbane]

@Weekly Sure thing, then.

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

I don't think buildings have souls. I really don't.

@Weekly I would also like to read where both returned to their universes. And if they did, what kind of abilities does the original possess? Are they linked so all have the same skills? Stuff like that is important and cannot be left out.