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A tensura crt
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Thank you again
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I can remove you from the list if you want.
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The Voice of the World. A set of laws that governs the reality. However, right from the start, to avoid confusion: causality is included in them.
It's not the system that is Aca4, but the characters
These characters are normally unbound by it, however Veldanava (one of the guys mentioned in OP and the creator of VoTW) also included a higher order in it that establishes a casual relationship between Ultimate skill users, basically something higher than their Aca4.
These characters are both Ultimate skill users and should be bound by this higher order, but they aren't and can freely rewrite this relationship, therefore their Aca4 is higher than everybody's else
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I see. I am not so confident in my previous judgement then, so I will revoke that vote for now.
If other knowledgeable people could comment on this (especially from the opposing side), it would be appreciated.
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I dont really think creating a law that binds aca4 users warrants an extra layer of causality ,
The stellar king Veldanava is simply more powerful than all other characters in the verse
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The VoTW is both the law that binds ultimate skill users and the laws of causality ,i don't understand why you are trying to separate them
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Did you even read my replies? How many times have I told you that VoTW also governs causality? We even have this accepted and there are mentions in some other things
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I'm trying to separate the usual set of laws and the one that binds US users, as US are not bound by the first one, but are bound by the second and the second includes causality again. You even yourself now admitted that VoTW is not only laws, but also causality
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Am.not rejecting that but how does governing causality give an extra layer of aca4 ,your main is simply coz velda created a law that binds aca4 then he must be unbound by it which is wrong
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Maybe because that higher order of causality binds those with Aca4, who are normally unbound by it (by the very definition), meaning that causality is of higher degree. And then we got 2 characters being unbound by that casual system as they freely contradict it and rewrite it? This way they get Aca4 to this causality, but because it is higher than usual Aca4, they get Higher degree
Never did that reasoning
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What proof do you have that they are not bound by the higher order causality coz rewriting or resisting causality doesn't mean you are acausal
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How do you keep skipping half of my arguments? Even setting everything else aside, and going just from your reply: Yes, normally it doesn't grant you Aca, however in this case it's different, as this causality is not affected by most character's Causality manipulation and the reason is that it in itself prevents interference in its functions as a part of the system. Therefore to actually use Causality manipulation (or anything really) on it you shouldn't be bound by it in the first place
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That causality system can be interacted with though ,all ultimate skills manipulate the very same laws as the VoTW its directly stated multiple times in the novel ,
also if they can interact with it it still more wouldn't give them higher degree of aca4 but rather interaction with it that already exist on the profiles as the fifth layer of law hax
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They don't interact with the higher degree. No one in the series except for Rimuru and Velda can rewrite the relation between US. Velgrynd and pridmordial angels were shocked when he did that, calling it literally impossible, in spite to them being aware of the existence of Causality manipulation skills
And we again return to the point when I remind you that that law includes causality
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This will indeed make us loop back ,the relationship between ultimate skills is still part of the laws ,
Chloes ultimate skill can manipulate the attribute of time which represents fate ,time and causality ,directly stated to be the highest law in the verse
And again even if they are able to alter that causality it still won't give them higher degree of aca4 it would only give them interaction
Edit: if i understand you correctly ,you are saying since the law that binds aca4 is absolute then rimuru and velda should have higher degree of aca4 since even the aca 4 cant interact with right?
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Which include causality
And yet she can't to anything to change the relationship between US users as she is still bound by the very system that prevents it
I'm actually starting to questiom your reading comprehension as the whole reply was dedicated to explaining why in this specific case it works
I did that multiple times, but as you continue asking the very same questions, I'd prefer to continue the Q&A format
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i don't think am understanding you so I'll leave for staff or other members to evaluate
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Nope. I am neutral with taking away acausality for characters, but agree with other points.
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While we're at it, can you visit this thread and maybe ping some staff there?
Tensura minor abilities addition and profile fix
This is a simple thread with self-evident addition of abilities that were forgotten to be added and some general profiles fixes. The only real discussion can be about the last addition, but that's for later. 1) Precognition for Laplace Pretty straightforward, so I assume it can be added like...
(Don't worry, there is no big discussion there)
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Sure.While we're at it, can you visit this thread and maybe ping some staff there?
I already tried messaging knowledgeable staff of the verse, but got no responseTensura minor abilities addition and profile fix
This is a simple thread with self-evident addition of abilities that were forgotten to be added and some general profiles fixes. The only real discussion can be about the last addition, but that's for later. 1) Precognition for Laplace Pretty straightforward, so I assume it can be added like...vsbattles.com
(Don't worry, there is no big discussion there)
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Bump
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I was asked to ping staff members on this thread, though given it seems I already have, and I don't want to be annoying, I will instead only ping the new one requested: @Elizhaa
And also Bambu: @Mr. Bambu
And also Bambu: @Mr. Bambu
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Bump
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Let the world's causality law be "x", and the causality system between Ultimate Skill users be "y", which is independent of this causality system. In this case, Veldanava created both "x" and "y", this means that Veldanava/Rimuru has greater law/causality manipulation (cuz Veldanava created "y" and Rimuru can control "y") and Veldanava works in a different causality system ("z") than these laws because he existed and taking action (like creation) before these laws were created.
But In another verse, the causality system of the world may be "k" and the causality system of the acausal characters may be "m". In a versus battle, "x" and "k" are equalized to the causality system of the battlefield. However, is there a reason why "y" should be equalized to "m" and Veldanava operating in the "z" causality system should be superior to a character operating in the "m" causality system? It is open to discussion, but anyway, as far as I know, we do not have a standard on this topic.
So, neutral on higher degree of acausality type 4. But the rest is fine.
But In another verse, the causality system of the world may be "k" and the causality system of the acausal characters may be "m". In a versus battle, "x" and "k" are equalized to the causality system of the battlefield. However, is there a reason why "y" should be equalized to "m" and Veldanava operating in the "z" causality system should be superior to a character operating in the "m" causality system? It is open to discussion, but anyway, as far as I know, we do not have a standard on this topic.
So, neutral on higher degree of acausality type 4. But the rest is fine.
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Including for velgrynd?
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Neutral for Veldanava, I agree with removal for Rimuru and Velgrynd.
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Same thoughts as FinePoint
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It’s based on their hax not scaling tier that’s why they have invulnerability they can not be damaged by attack “bound by the laws of the world”
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Bump
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Same here
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Does this mean we technically have 3 neutral staff on one of the points?
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Yeah
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What do you think, maybe better to scrap it for now?
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Yes ,since they are all neutral on that point ,I'd say the thread gets applied except for that
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