"3 People In Masks Are Coming To Kill You In 1 Minute" (Hank Schrader vs 2023 Ghostface) (4-0-2)

[ThePrimalHunter]

In an alternate universe, instead of the Cousins being sent to kill Hank, it was the 2023 Ghostface crew. How well does Hank fair?

Ground Rules:

• Same setup as the Hank vs Twins match in BB Season 3 Episode 7
  • Hank starts in his car in the parking lot
  • He knows 3 people in masks are going to try and kill him in 1 minute and is prepared for it
  • Hank doesn't have his gun
• Wayne has a Beretta M9, the other Ghostfaces are unarmed
• The Ghostfaces have prior knowledge on Hanks abilities

Who Wins?

Hank Schrader: 4 (SheevShezarrine, AThe1412, Redite250, King_Dom470)
3 Ghostfaces: 0 ()
Incon: 2 (Catbowtie, CBslayeR)

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

For those curious, this is how Hank delt with the Twins attacking him

Hank's also no stranger in fighting multiple opponents at once while bare handed, so he can resort to cqc if needed

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[SheevShezarrine]

Wayne is the only one armed and I'd say is as skilled as Hank at best, whereas the other two are unarmed scrawny teenagers that Hank could punch out low diff. If Hank offs Wayne by bowling him over in the whip then Hank ends up with a pistol at which point he no-diffs the other 2. Unless Wayne plays smart and keeps his distance with his gun (which he is shown not to do in the movie) then Hank takes this the majority of the time

 

[CBslayeR]

I'm not sure how this fight would start

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Wayne is the only one armed and I'd say is as skilled as Hank at best, whereas the other two are unarmed scrawny teenagers that Hank could punch out low diff. If Hank offs Wayne by bowling him over in the whip then Hank ends up with a pistol at which point he no-diffs the other 2. Unless Wayne plays smart and keeps his distance with his gun (which he is shown not to do in the movie) then Hank takes this the majority of the time

Vote counted

I'm not sure how this fight would start

Wayne would likely just try to shoot at Hank while he's in the car, with the other 2 ghostfaces likely trying to sneak up on him in the backseat or something

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[AThe1412]

Hank FRA.

 

[Catbowtie]

Hank Schrader barely got out getting assassinated by the twins. The only reason Hank survived was because of the stupidity of the twins. Assuming that at least one of the three assassins aren't going to throw the match for the speculate of the kill, Hank loses. Also, an extra person to deal with is always a bad thing. Voting 3 Ghost faces.

 

[King_Dom470]

Hank Schrader barely got out getting assassinated by the twins. The only reason Hank survived was because of the stupidity of the twins. Assuming that at least one of the three assassins aren't going to throw the match for the speculate of the kill, Hank loses. Also, an extra person to deal with is always a bad thing. Voting 3 Ghost faces.

To be fair Hank was jumped and had no clue a fight was coming, he also didn't have any weapons and the twins are probably more skilled than the Ghostfaces

 

[Catbowtie]

To be fair Hank was jumped and had no clue a fight was coming, he also didn't have any weapons and the twins are probably more skilled than the Ghostfaces

This is wrong. Unless you mean that he was skeptical that the person on the phone was telling the truth. Hank has no weapons in this Thread either. I don't really want to get into the skill argument because it shouldn't really matter (Assuming that you're talking about close-quarters-combat)

 

[Redite250]

Hank Schrader barely got out getting assassinated by the twins. The only reason Hank survived was because of the stupidity of the twins. Assuming that at least one of the three assassins aren't going to throw the match for the speculate of the kill, Hank loses. Also, an extra person to deal with is always a bad thing. Voting 3 Ghost faces.

Well to be fair, Hank did catch the other twin off guard but his bulletproof vest tanked all his shots. Also, both twins were armed in that situation whereas here there's only 1 gun in play.

 

[King_Dom470]

This is wrong. Unless you mean that he was skeptical that the person on the phone was telling the truth. Hank has no weapons in this Thread either. I don't really want to get into the skill argument because it shouldn't really matter (Assuming that you're talking about close-quarters-combat)

Yeah I forgot he was warned.

However here he knows for sure that someone is coming so he can compose himself a little better. Plus I'm pretty sure that three assholes dressed as ghostface would stand out like a sore thumb.

Besides that he also starts in his car and as Redite pointed out he'll also have his bullet proof vest, also when I said "skill" I was referring to firearms skill which the Twins are likely far more skilled in, especially taking into account their composure despite a car coming right at him

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[Redite250]

What I meant was, Hank would have killed both twins without any injury if the twins weren't wearing that op body armor, he got the upper hand but ultimately got shot because they were more prepared. In this case, he only needs to worry about one guy with a gun and if he gets the gun it's over. I'll vote for Hank

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

What I meant was, Hank would have killed both twins without any injury if the twins weren't wearing that op body armor, he got the upper hand but ultimately got shot because they were more prepared. In this case, he only needs to worry about one guy with a gun and if he gets the gun it's over. I'll vote for Hank

Vote counted

 

[King_Dom470]

Probably also voting Hank FRA

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Probably also voting Hank FRA

Vote counted

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[Catbowtie]

Let's get to it.

to be fair

To be fair

I am living in a simulation (Joking)


I am going to monologue intensely (Exaggerated, but the statement is true)


Assuming that Prior Knowledge is given by way of a Tier 0 godly entity beaming the information into Hank's brain, instead of (I think?) Gus Fringe calling Hank and giving him the information, I don't really think that the ghost faces could use their standard tactics. The three ghost faces' Standard Tactics is to call their victim while another one gets ready to attack them. This simply wouldn't be possible because I assume they have to (of course) get the victim's phone number. The Thread Starter specifically says that they're the ghost faces, so I'll be assuming that they're in costume. This is obviously out of character for them to conduct a murder in broad daylight while in costume, but I'll be ignoring that in favor of making an argument. Keep in mind that the three ghost faces would much rather murder someone at night rather than a parking lot in the middle of the day.


Both Wayne's and Hank's skills are comparable here since all police have the same martial arts and practical combat tests. (Feel free to fact check me here. I searched some things up about DEA. They literally just deal with drugs. They do take an initial physical assessment, but when I looked at Hank's biography in the Breaking Bad wiki, he would've joined the DEA right around 19-24? He's 43 by season 3 so...) Because of police training, would already have the Beretta M9 armed and ready to fire. I don't think that Wayne would walk right behind Hank's car like the Twins did because police are taught proper position during a traffic stop (Take this with a grain of salt. I couldn't find any sources that comes directly from a police department when it comes to walking up to a car), which would be easily applied here because the car is already stopped. Wayne would also tell the other two ghost faces pretty much the same thing. If Wayne doesn't just surprise Hank by popping up from his window and head shotting him (Wayne would just crouch down and keep out of sight until he's right at Hank's car), then I'm pretty sure the trouble of getting out of his car to fight him would be enough time for Wayne to kill him.

It is In-Character for Hank to start the car and drive it, but Wayne & family would be well out of the way of the direction of the car. At this point, anything​

can really happen because a lot of variables come into play. Like, what if Wayne & family just decides to wait out Hank's road rage? Or what if Hank hits one of the ghost faces and instead of being ran over, the ghost face falls on top of the window shield and breaks it? Neither Wayne & family and Hank are stupid enough to give up their win conditions (Shooting Hank five times in the head and Hank running them all over, respectively) Hank has absolutely no idea what he's dealing with, so for all he knows they are all trained assassins ready to kill him. It doesn't help that the three ghost faces know Hank's abilities (VEHICULAR MASTERY RAHHHHHHHH), so Ethan and Quinn would just stay back and play support to Wayne. Also, people. Like two people. So more variables. Honestly, I'm going to vote Inconclusive because any amount of things can happen.

Hank did catch the other twin off guard but his bulletproof vest tanked all his shots. Also, both twins were armed in that situation whereas here there's only 1 gun in play.

Hank got his gun from one of the twins. The twin was being stupid and fumbled their win condition. Wayne is not stupid and wouldn't give up his win condition. Not having bulletproof armor doesn't matter when Hank doesn't have a gun.

However here he knows for sure that someone is coming so he can compose himself a little better. Plus I'm pretty sure that three assholes dressed as ghostface would stand out like a sore thumb.

Besides that he also starts in his car and as Redite pointed out he'll also have his bullet proof vest, also when I said "skill" I was referring to firearms skill which the Twins are likely far more skilled in, especially taking into account their composure despite a car coming right at him

If anything, Wayne would take off his ghost face outfit, and walk up to Hank, then say "Hello" like a normal civilian and then blast his brains out. He has Social Influencing so Hank would be none the wiser.


I don't believe the twins are skilled in firearms. From the showing I've seen, all of their shots are at basically point blank range (What is this? A car distance away? Hank was quite literally a sitting target for the twin to shoot. There is nothing skillful about that) They're not even holding their gun correctly. (This is how you're supposed to hold a gun, with it being close to your chest) If that applied real life physics, the gun would have insane kickback and recoil, unless the versus battles profile wants to say that the twins are so skilled at wielding a gun that they can hold it in any way without having any recoil from it. Also, before anyone says "This is versus battles. Nothing is supposed to be realistic." Breaking Bad is a TV show that is supposed to be as close to real life as possible. I simply think that the writers were trying to have the twins look cool in the way they were holding the gun (The way they hold the gun is quite similar to how a lot of gang members wield their pistols) and that was the most convenient way to show it without thinking of the other factors "What happens when someone holds a gun that specific way." I wouldn't have brought that up if the four combatants weren't, well, human and was supposed to take in, traditionally, our world.

What I meant was, Hank would have killed both twins without any injury if the twins weren't wearing that op body armor, he got the upper hand but ultimately got shot because they were more prepared. In this case, he only needs to worry about one guy with a gun and if he gets the gun it's over. I'll vote for Hank

This is true. If Hank gets the gun, the ghost faces pretty much lose (There can be arguments made that the three ghost faces can overwhelm Hank) The problem is that simply because of the training Wayne has as a police officer and the two extra people, there will never be a scenario that Hank could obtain the gun. Wayne could very well throw the gun thirty feet before he ever lets Hank get anywhere close to it.

Also, I only have a small nitpick. If Hank locked tf in, Hank could've just shot the twin in the head instead of taking body shots. Hank had the drop on the twin and could've just shot him in the head, but instead he decided to empty five bullets into him. And Hank got shot in the arm too, so no, not "without any injury" (Not trying to sound condescending at all. Sorry if I do)




Post Script: I literally gotten every single one of my sources from looking them up. So, take this all with a grain of salt.


ALSO I LEARNED WAYNE HAS 616.6422068 JOULES OF ATTACK POTENCY. 316x AP GAP ONESHOT RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (Probably makes the match a Stomp )

 

[Redite250]

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Yeah good points but I'd like to say that the Cousins are probably quite skilled with firearms due to them taking out a whole gang by themselves (and Nacho) in Better Call Saul. Also, I'm pretty sure that police are trained to aim at the chest because that's just as likely to kill/incapacitate as a headshot but easier to hit, that's why he didn't go for a headshot

Anyway I didn't think the guy would go there without the ghostface mask but if that's in character then it's a pretty valid wincon since Hank only knows 3 masked people are coming to kill him he likely wouldn't be suspicious of an unmasked individual

 

[Catbowtie]

Yeah good points but I'd like to say that the Cousins are probably quite skilled with firearms due to them taking out a whole gang by themselves (and Nacho) in Better Call Saul. Also, I'm pretty sure that police are trained to aim at the chest because that's just as likely to kill/incapacitate as a headshot but easier to hit, that's why he didn't go for a headshot

Gotcha

Anyway I didn't think the guy would go there without the ghostface mask but if that's in character then it's a pretty valid wincon since Hank only knows 3 masked people are coming to kill him he likely wouldn't be suspicious of an unmasked individual

Them being in broad daylight in their ghost face masks is already out of character. I was just proposing that win condition to try to keep them In-Character. I'm not sure if this falls under Standard Battle Assumptions or not (The one where they don't really care about outside forces or whatnot, but In-Character they WOULD care about that)

 

[CBslayeR]

yeah I think incon too, way too many ways for this fight to go down in this situation, if anything they might wait for hank to go home lol

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Assuming that Prior Knowledge is given by way of a Tier 0 godly entity beaming the information into Hank's brain, instead of (I think?) Gus Fringe calling Hank and giving him the information, I don't really think that the ghost faces could use their standard tactics. The three ghost faces' Standard Tactics is to call their victim while another one gets ready to attack them. This simply wouldn't be possible because I assume they have to (of course) get the victim's phone number. The Thread Starter specifically says that they're the ghost faces, so I'll be assuming that they're in costume. This is obviously out of character for them to conduct a murder in broad daylight while in costume, but I'll be ignoring that in favor of making an argument. Keep in mind that the three ghost faces would much rather murder someone at night rather than a parking lot in the middle of the day.

This setup is the exact same as it was for the Hank vs Twins battle. Hank gets a call from Gus/Mike/whoever was warning him, except instead of saying "2 men" he says "3 men in masks". Otherwise, it's the exact same call, exact same setup, ect. The only diffrence is that, for whatever reason, the Salamancas hired the 2023 Ghostfaces to kill him instead of just having the Twins do it.

As for them wearing their costumes in the middle of the day, iirc in one of the older scream movies some of the killers did that, though I could be wrong. I also don't know what is and isn't in-character for them as I've never seen Scream 6. But them just stripping off the costumes, if they deem it needed, is definetly something that they can do.