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Public Safety fights against Evil Residents. Zhu Yuan (ZZZ) vs Albert Wesker (RE) (7-0-0) (GRACE)

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Uh I don’t know, Wesker has natural speed advantage but worse perception speeds single reactions.

Physical AP wise she is pretty much getting ragdolled like Chris and Sheva because they themselves aren’t even that far from baseline 8-C and this is lowkey one-shot range for Wesker.

Unless her weapons are Hypersonic + attack speeds Wesker is going to dodge all the shots from them, and even if they are they sure as hell have to be shot from point blank range or off guard or he is 100% sidestepping them.

If Wesker can use the BOWs specifically in the station at the time of RE9 he gets at least one Tyrant ( T-501) that has superior physical stats to Leon ( except for speed ) with the durability to endure close to 1 ton (8-C+) weapons even to its exposed heart/ weakspot meaning it can take a lot of hits and Wesker can shift his strategy based on how it performs, most likely it dies but ends up giving him enough intel on what he should be specifically avoiding from her.

At least Wesker sending lackeys is sufficiently IC for him so I can’t see him rushing to fight without info and getting caught lacking unless his opponent is Chris Redfield.
 
Zhu Yuan has homing projectiles, so Wesker would have to maneuver to dodge them, and even then, his movement speed isn't fast enough to match his reaction time to avoid them without much trouble, even if he could use his Pseudo-Teleportation.

Zhu's weapons have Duraneg and other effects that ignore conventional durability thanks to Ethereal Manipulation, so BOWs shouldn't pose much of a problem. He has actually dealt with similar monstrous and powerful creatures before, although obviously they aren't as strong as the Tyrant-501, but at least he'll know how to handle it and that he shouldn't let his guard down.
 
It depends on how versatile her homing bullets are and if they don’t dissipate if they hit the environment, homing may be not good enough if the bullets cant 180 degree turn within meters of missing a target and end up hitting a wall instead, specially in a closed ruined environment like the RPD.

But it does matter significantly wether her bullets can be reliably scaled to her Cqc combat speed or operate on a wholly different attack speed range, if they’re normal bullet speeds they’re never hitting Wesker unless she specifically tries to off guard him or literally is firing cms from his face.

Wesker does have significant short burst distance at least 5-10 meters which should be good enough to not be struggling that much even if they are scalable to her speeds plus minor air mobility to flip turn and dodge them mid air ( as seen in a weakened state vs Chris and Sheva) so it’s very hard to get him in a bad position where he couldn’t dodge if he is on guard.

Ether Corruption doesn’t seem like an instant incap from what I read but a debilitating status effect that can be accelerated to eventual incap the Tyrant isn’t a threat at his speed but enough of a bother to warrant her using her abilities to take it down giving Wesker knowledge to what she can do.

And ngl some of the status effects besides the one that go straight into damaging opponents or render him completely unable to fight are lowkey something the Tyrant can ignore because T virus inherently shuts down a lot of nervous system and cerebral functions like pain and empathy.

IMO it depends on wether she can reliably hit Wesker before she runs out of bullets, at worst I see him getting a phyrric victory 6/10 times winning because his AP wincon is instant whereas hers seems to be over time.
 
It depends on how versatile her homing bullets are and if they don’t dissipate if they hit the environment, homing may be not good enough if the bullets cant 180 degree turn within meters of missing a target and end up hitting a wall instead, specially in a closed ruined environment like the RPD.

But it does matter significantly wether her bullets can be reliably scaled to her Cqc combat speed or operate on a wholly different attack speed range, if they’re normal bullet speeds they’re never hitting Wesker unless she specifically tries to off guard him or literally is firing cms from his face.

Wesker does have significant short burst distance at least 5-10 meters which should be good enough to not be struggling that much even if they are scalable to her speeds plus minor air mobility to flip turn and dodge them mid air ( as seen in a weakened state vs Chris and Sheva) so it’s very hard to get him in a bad position where he couldn’t dodge if he is on guard.

Ether Corruption doesn’t seem like an instant incap from what I read but a debilitating status effect that can be accelerated to eventual incap the Tyrant isn’t a threat at his speed but enough of a bother to warrant her using her abilities to take it down giving Wesker knowledge to what she can do.

And ngl some of the status effects besides the one that go straight into damaging opponents or render him completely unable to fight are lowkey something the Tyrant can ignore because T virus inherently shuts down a lot of nervous system and cerebral functions like pain and empathy.

IMO it depends on wether she can reliably hit Wesker before she runs out of bullets, at worst I see him getting a phyrric victory 6/10 times winning because his AP wincon is instant whereas hers seems to be over time.
Do I count this as a vote, or do you want to wait for more arguments?
 
Do I count this as a vote, or do you want to wait for more arguments?
i'm at work rn but i can type a response later, would ideally prefer to at least get a response out before votes start though (unless another ZZZ supporter wants to type something up)
 
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alright mb for the late response

starting off with stats, wesker obviously has the AP and durability advantage, more than enough to both one shot zhu yuan and also take pretty much anything she can throw at her. zhu yuan debatably has a massive LS advantage though which could come in handy if she ends up in close quarters with him. as far as speed goes, i believe he should have faster travel speed, but zhu yuan has faster combat/reaction speed, which also isn't taking into account the ridiculous amp she gets with vital view.

obviously with prior knowledge of his stats zhu yuan's going to play extremely cautiously. she'll be aware of the fact that this guy is not only faster than her but is also way stronger than her to a ridiculous degree. as such i think it's pretty clear that she'll rely on attacking from a distance to whittle him down via ether corruption effects. she can also avoid dangerous encounters with wesker thanks to her superior reaction speed, not to mention vital view also being able to help with that

Unless her weapons are Hypersonic + attack speeds Wesker is going to dodge all the shots from them, and even if they are they sure as hell have to be shot from point blank range or off guard or he is 100% sidestepping them.

If Wesker can use the BOWs specifically in the station at the time of RE9 he gets at least one Tyrant ( T-501) that has superior physical stats to Leon ( except for speed ) with the durability to endure close to 1 ton (8-C+) weapons even to its exposed heart/ weakspot meaning it can take a lot of hits and Wesker can shift his strategy based on how it performs, most likely it dies but ends up giving him enough intel on what he should be specifically avoiding from her.

At least Wesker sending lackeys is sufficiently IC for him so I can’t see him rushing to fight without info and getting caught lacking unless his opponent is Chris Redfield.
i'm pretty sure her weapons should scale to her combat/reaction speed, though even if they don't, vital view gives her a ridiculous speed/perception amp to where she should have ample time to get attacks in, while also being able to utilize it to dodge attacks and reposition herself if necessary

i'd need more context on the BOWs thing cause i don't RE so i'm not really sure what those are or how they work

It depends on how versatile her homing bullets are and if they don’t dissipate if they hit the environment, homing may be not good enough if the bullets cant 180 degree turn within meters of missing a target and end up hitting a wall instead, specially in a closed ruined environment like the RPD.
from what we've seen in both gameplay and cutscenes don't think they're versatile enough to the point of being able to hit full 180 degree turns, although like i mentioned before VV should be able to give zhu yuan opportunities to get attacks in regardless of wesker's speed

Ether Corruption doesn’t seem like an instant incap from what I read but a debilitating status effect that can be accelerated to eventual incap the Tyrant isn’t a threat at his speed but enough of a bother to warrant her using her abilities to take it down giving Wesker knowledge to what she can do.
pretty much yeah. although the more hits she racks up with her ether bullets the faster ether corruption kicks in, so wesker will likely be feeling the effects of it relatively quickly if she's constantly harassing him with bullets

And ngl some of the status effects besides the one that go straight into damaging opponents or render him completely unable to fight are lowkey something the Tyrant can ignore because T virus inherently shuts down a lot of nervous system and cerebral functions like pain and empathy.
makes sense, although afaik he should still be susceptible to the transmutation which is kinda like the main aspect of ether corruption lol. ZY can also still hurt him despite the AP gap with both dura neg and resistance negation

IMO it depends on wether she can reliably hit Wesker before she runs out of bullets, at worst I see him getting a phyrric victory 6/10 times winning because his AP wincon is instant whereas hers seems to be over time.
honestly pretty fair assessment. i think vital view is the main thing helping ZY out here. as long as she's dodging his attacks it gives her ample time to counterattack and load him with bullets, and i think if she does that consistently for long enough while also playing keep away and avoiding his attacks she could eventually mess him up with ether shenanigans
 
i'm pretty sure her weapons should scale to her combat/reaction speed, though even if they don't, vital view gives her a ridiculous speed/perception amp to where she should have ample time to get attacks in, while also being able to utilize it to dodge attacks and reposition herself if necessary

i'd need more context on the BOWs thing cause i don't RE so i'm not really sure what those are or how they work
BOWs are comparable to agents like Leon or Chris who have hypersonic speed, so even though he has a higher AP, he is slower than Zhu, even slower than Wesker, so Zhu could withstand damage and even casually dodge it without having to resort to his Vital View.
 
BOWs are comparable to agents like Leon or Chris who have hypersonic speed, so even though he has a higher AP, he is slower than Zhu, even slower than Wesker, so Zhu could withstand damage and even casually dodge it without having to resort to his Vital View.
so from what i'm gathering they're just specialized weapons? if ZY can dodge them even without VV i don't think they'll pose much of an issue but do they have any special abilities?

At least Wesker sending lackeys is sufficiently IC for him so I can’t see him rushing to fight without info and getting caught lacking unless his opponent is Chris Redfield.
also can i get more context regarding this?
 
also can i get more context regarding this?
Yeah, Wesker will probably want to deal with Zhu by sending in a BOW, and depending on what that BOW does, he'll learn what she can and can't do. Even if he doesn't send one, Wesker will most likely just kill her with brute force.

The only time he didn't do the latter was when he fought Chris Redfield, and that was for personal reasons.
 
Yeah, Wesker will probably want to deal with Zhu by sending in a BOW, and depending on what that BOW does, he'll learn what she can and can't do. Even if he doesn't send one, Wesker will most likely just kill her with brute force.

The only time he didn't do the latter was when he fought Chris Redfield, and that was for personal reasons.
hmm, alright. he could probably use those to get a gauge on the ether corruption and it's effects, then. although, if zhu yuan is fast enough to dodge and evade them then i don't see them posing too much trouble for her. and again, given the prior knowledge she'll also obviously be focusing on attacking from ranged and not getting in close

zhu yuan can still probably just abuse vital view to give her ample time to load wesker up with bullets. i just don't see wesker catching her with both her reaction speed and vital view, and with prior knowledge on his stats she's definitely not letting him get close enough to one shot her either. it might take a while, but with her superior reaction speed i think she can just dodge everything wesker throws at her and eventually incap him with ether
 
honestly, given that wesker can see the tyrant completely dominated by ether, I don't think he gonna go hand combat with zhu yuan, also wesker has regeneration so I don't think dura negate can do much to him
 
honestly, given that wesker can see the tyrant completely dominated by ether, I don't think he gonna go hand combat with zhu yuan, also wesker has regeneration so I don't think dura negate can do much to him
pretty sure wesker would still get affected by ether corruption's perception and fear manip at least, and he would eventually get turned into an ethereal with enough time which would count as an incap

i dunno, this one's kind of tricky. i would normally be inclined to say that wesker could probably just stall and outlast ZY in a prolonged battle of attrition given his superior stamina, but he can't really afford to do that if he gets hit by her ether bullets given that he'll eventually get turned into an ethereal (which is a process that will only occur faster the more bullets she fires into him)

like i said in my other comment i just don't really see wesker being able to reliably land a hit with zhu yuan's superior reaction speed and vital view. attacking zhu yuan and giving her more opportunities to use vital view is only gonna result in giving her more opportunities to pelt him with bullets which would just be worse for him in the long run. a single opportunity to load him up with bullets is kind of all ZY needs, meanwhile wesker basically has to avoid getting hit at all and hope that he can either just wear zhu yuan out or catch her off guard to just one shot her (which again, given her reaction speed i don't really see happening)
 
zhu yuan's gotten some new abilities thanks to the recent ether CRT that got approved (dream/memory manip, illusion creation, sleep manip, stats reduction, etc.) so a lot of those will prove to be particularly helpful here if wesker doesn't have any resistances to them
 
Well, she has A lot of hax for wesker to deal with (if all of that hax is offensive), I might vote for zhu yuan, need more input from wesker
 
The only way wesker win is he somehow stall zhu yuan and then she will out of stamina
Also, if Wesker is skilled enough to attack her when she cannot use her Vital View, that is when Zhu would be most at risk of dealing with him

Btw vote counted
 
i think i'll probably lay a vote on zhu yuan for now, i think her superior reaction speed means she probably won't get tagged by any of wesker's attacks and vital view gives her ample time to load bullets into him, i think she could probably just eventually score an incap that way
 
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