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I'm Stronger, I'm Smarter, I'M BRIGHTER! | Vox vs Homelander (8 - 0 - 0)

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Rules:
  • Speed is equalized
  • Sinner Vox is used
  • Vox's High-Mid regeneration is restricted
  • Both are 8-B
  • Battle takes place in Pentagram City
  • SBA otherwise
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  • AP: 73.68 tons of TNT
  • Durability: 73.68 tons of TNT
  • Lifting Strength: 504.86 metric tons
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I can do whatever the f*** I want:
  • AP: 20.56 tons of TNT, higher with Heat Vision
  • Durability: 20.56 tons of TNT, higher with Rage Power
  • Lifting Strength: 162.39 - 412.08 metric tons
Alastor and Butcher kill them both:

Notes:
  • Homelander has limited resistances to Durability Negation via attacking internal structures, Electricity and Mind Manipulation
  • Homelander's heat vision can reach >3,500 °C
  • Vox can summon Shok.wav (Mid regeneration restricted)
 
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so... what exactly can Homelander do here? This is one of the few matches a Hazbin character has the skill edge, Vox has the regen to survive Homelander slicing him to bits if it comes to that, AND he has every stat advantage under the sun. Also, Vox has damn good SI and is talkative, so John going melee and getting clapped is a legit possibility.
 
I mean, while Vox can survive being sliced apart, he’s not really going to be able to bounce right back into the fight.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
I mean, while Vox can survive being sliced apart, he’s not really going to be able to bounce right back into the fight.
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Yeah but like last time we had a Sinner vs Homelander, he's unlikely to stick around, and would probably go grab a gallon of milk or something.
 
I'm curious, am I allowed to restrict Shok.wav? Does he count as optional equipment?
 
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DaReaperMan said:
Yeah but like last time we had a Sinner vs Homelander, he's unlikely to stick around, and would probably go grab a gallon of milk or something.
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If that's an issue then would making them both bloodlusted help?
 
DaReaperMan said:
Yeah but like last time we had a Sinner vs Homelander, he's unlikely to stick around, and would probably go grab a gallon of milk or something.
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How fast do they heal. Incapacitating for over a day is a wincon. If he just lasers them into a puddle and it takes a long time he'd get a victory either way.
 
LaserPrecision said:
How fast do they heal. Incapacitating for over a day is a wincon. If he just lasers them into a puddle and it takes a long time he'd get a victory either way.
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Does he ever laser people into a puddle? Cause I only remember him slicing folks to bits and that takes like an hour.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Does he ever laser people into a puddle? Cause I only remember him slicing folks to bits and that takes like an hour.
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That was an exaggeration. But I assume these guys when cut into pieces wiggle around or are still breathing or something that would easily indicate to Homelander that they are still alive. Thus he would proceed to laser them further until they show no signs of life.

However if getting cut into pieces knocks them out and thus they appear dead, Homelander only needs an hour to win. Knockout wincon only requires 1 hour.
 
LaserPrecision said:
That was an exaggeration. But I assume these guys when cut into pieces wiggle around or are still breathing or something that would easily indicate to Homelander that they are still alive. Thus he would proceed to laser them further until they show no signs of life.

However if getting cut into pieces knocks them out and thus they appear dead, Homelander only needs an hour to win. Knockout wincon only requires 1 hour.
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Everyone we've seen ripped apart stops moving, but we know they can also stay conscious through worse so... they probably pretend to be dead.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Everyone we've seen ripped apart stops moving, but we know they can also stay conscious through worse so... they probably pretend to be dead.
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So they pretend to be dead every time or like wut? I mean how do we know they are conscious during that if they stop moving when they get cut into bits. Is there any tell like their eyes being open looking around?

Also I just realized Homelander has super hearing. He would be able to hear their heart still beating even after lasering them into pieces which should give away something weird is up.
 
LaserPrecision said:
So they pretend to be dead every time or like wut? I mean how do we know they are conscious during that if they stop moving when they get cut into bits. Is there any tell like their eyes being open looking around?

Also I just realized Homelander has super hearing. He would be able to hear their heart still beating even after lasering them into pieces which should give away something weird is up.
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Considering he lasered the heart in half... nah.

Oh and, Vox is like, a head RN. Chances are how Homey does it just turns him off for a but even though he's still conscious.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Considering he lasered the heart in half... nah.

Oh and, Vox is like, a head RN. Chances are how Homey does it just turns him off for a but even though he's still conscious.
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Fair, tho it also covers blood pressure and stuff. Which should be maintained if they can live through and regenerate their body from just a head.
 
Vox is stronger, but Homelander resists his main Hax and has a trump card with Heat Vision. But considering that Vox can turn into electricity to teleport and become intangible, and his regeneration, I think it's more likely that he'll win. Even more so if you consider Shok.wav.
 
Would it make sense to assume Vox leads by using his pseudo-teleportation and killing him immediately?
 
Vox is 3.5x stronger and has 1.2x higher LS than Homelander here, the same thing would apply to Shok.Wav who he can summon whenever he wants.

Homelander is an incredibly basic fighter, yes he's fought against both Soldier Boy and Butcher but both of them didn't really "struggle" against Homelander for the most part. someone as skilled as Vox, who's existed in hell hundreds of years and at his peak, was the only sinner "equal" to full-power Alastor, will have no problem dealing with easily predictable laser vision (characters have reacted to it before) nor does it really cover the fact he can regen at a High-Mid level and teleport well also turning intangible to get out of any dangerous situations that Homelander could possibly put him into.

Homelander's resistances don't really cover the level Vox can output. Electricity? its limited so he'll still be shocked and have to deal with the fact he's getting hit with electricity 3.5x stronger than he is, Mind Manip? again Limited and who he scales to was already affected by Mind Control in the past, enough to completely stagger and leave them open to getting put down. Vox has insane Mind Control with just a look and if it doesn't work like it did against Al, then he'll just use it to mess with Homelander since it'll still stagger him and slow him down significantly, hell even likely incap due to the mental strain we've seen mind manip do to them.

Nothing also stops Vox from completely restraining Homelander with wires since he has the LS advantage here, its not monstrous but it should be enough to hold Homelander down.

Homelander own weakness being "psychological" due to being the weakest character emotionally in the show and his god-complex makes him megalomaniacal, egotistical, narcissistic, impulsive, and short-tempered. all things Vox will be able to perfectly manipulate due to his Information Analysis and Retrocognition esp with someone as POPULAR as homelander, he'll learn literally everything about he's done and constantly use his SI to manipulate homelander's actions due to how much he cares about his image.

Vox really does take it cleanly FRA, he has way too many options that Homelander simply has no true answer towards and his only real option is "Laser Vision' but against someone as mobile and skilled as Vox, it really don't see it ever hitting and if it did, he has the regen to simply dip and come back once he's back to his best.
 
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Bruhtelho said:
his profile says he's "At least 100 years old" so I was just going off of that tbh, give or take how long he's been in hell.
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we don't know how old he was when he died other than "his hair started graying" so... yeah...
 
I did think the stat disadvantage was pretty damning. Would it be unwinnable for Vox if Homelander's 8-A rating was used instead?
 
LaserPrecision said:
I did think the stat disadvantage was pretty damning. Would it be unwinnable for Vox if Homelander's 8-A rating was used instead?
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Laser. Look at the OP. Then look at Homelander's 8-A rating.

A 10X AP disadvantage is pretty unwinnable. I'm pretty sure he couldn't even harm Homelander at that point.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I did think the stat disadvantage was pretty damning. Would it be unwinnable for Vox if Homelander's 8-A rating was used instead?
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Homelander's 8-A key is 800 Tons so he'd be 10.86x stronger so it'd be a oneshot advantage, not sure how Vox could deal with smth like that.
 
hhomelander negs if he chops vox's neck with laser (Mr. "High-Mid Combat Applicable Regen gets stuck as a head for minutes on end)
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Anonymous_Learner said:
you know dang well combat appliable in the context of the sinner physiology's justification that the combat Applicable is meant to be seconds or short moments
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And you know dang well Over Time is something we genuinely don't have a time frame for or is definitely over 24 hours.

Anything within 24 hours is combat-applicable. That's just how regen works in versus threads, same with Immortality. I didn't write the standards.
 
I didn't grant High-Mid regen, should I specify that it's restricted?
 
Bruhtelho said:
nor does it really cover the fact he can regen at a High-Mid level and teleport well also turning intangible to get out of any dangerous situations that Homelander could possibly put him into.
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I think I'm going to restrict High-Mid regen, since it's only a possibly. Does that change your opinion?
Bruhtelho said:
Nothing also stops Vox from completely restraining Homelander with wires since he has the LS advantage here, its not monstrous but it should be enough to hold Homelander down.
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I think Homie could free himself with either his heat vision or his rage amp
 
DarkLock92 said:
I think I'm going to restrict High-Mid regen, since it's only a possibly. Does that change your opinion?
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not really, he's still got High-Low which could help if he isn't hit as bad by laser vision. of course now if he gets completely sliced in half its practically a death sentence but the laser's are incredibly predictable esp for someone as skilled and mobile as Vox. Homelander is also egotistical and narcissistic which has gotten the best of him against inferior characters before like Queen Maeve.
DarkLock92 said:
I think Homie could free himself with either his heat vision or his rage amp
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heat vision is kind of pointless when he's completely restricted on every part including his neck which is something Vox is more than smart enough to realize and rage amp could break him free if it werent't for the fact that Vox would also be completely mind manipulating him at the same time, which has proven to be the downfall of similar characters in the past since its barely a resistance.

that and Vox has vastly superior range according to his profile since his abilities have Interdimensional or at best city wide range vs Homelander's ten's of meters with only his heat vision

Vox still has all his previous answers, he just can't tank laser vision anymore but as I said; his mobility and skill advantage mean it ever actually hitting is unlikely.
 
OiEuSouDuvi said:
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It does say that, but it feels kind of different? Vox isn't directly attacking his internal organs, he's reshaping himself inside of him to implode him inside out. It's also kind of implied in his profile that the reason could be his durability:
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yah his resistance to durability negation is also limited but works in a different way since its through his tissues durability. Vox is 3.5x stronger here so his own durability negation should still work perfectly on Homelander.
 
DarkLock92 said:
I see, are you voting now or are you going to wait more?
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Vox:
+AP advantage (3.5x higher) and with the range advantage, he'll have no problem shocking Homelander from afar with said ap as well.
+LS advantage (1.2x superior)
+Mind Manipulation which should work on Homelander since whom he scales to was affected by their mind being messed with in the past.
+Social Influence against someone who cares about their image as much as Homelander does will be the perfect tool to control the pace of the fight
+Pseudo-Teleportation, Elemental Intangibility, flight, and Acrobatics give him the mobility needed to react and dodge Heat Vision
+Information Analysis and Retrocognition will allow him to look up literally anything on Homelander given how popular he is
+Durability Negation should still work due to him being stronger and it coming from Homelander's internal tissue being as durable as his skin
+Shok.Wav could summoned if things become desperate and distract homelander
+Regen covers anything that isn't Heat Vision from Homelander
+More skilled and experienced due to how long he's been in hell, with him even being able to combat with full-power Alastor and later weakened Al.

Homelander:
+Heat Vision is a death sentence for Vox IF he can land it
+Rage Power could cover the LS difference BUT Vox will prolly be messing with his mind at the same time so its unlikely

Vox gets my vote yes, he just has the answers needed to avoid Homelander's best option (heat vision) and the things needed to put Homelander down for good like Mind Manip, his own AP advantage, or Durability Negation.
 
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