Hoshimi Miyabi vs. Eula Lawrence (Zenless Zone Zero vs. Genshin Impact) [7-1-0] (GRACE)

[Sooshirohl]

been a bit since i last made a VS thread and uhhhh since both these hoyo sword fighting ice ladies are 7-C i figure why not make this

Rules :

• Speed is Equalized
• Both are 7-C
• Fight takes place in an Open Area in Mondstadt
• Both start 10m away from each other
• SBA otherwise.

Miyabi : 7 (@Natsuki012, @Naito-desu, @GodEarh206, @BiggestOpp, @MannyQ361, @Jackof_noTrades068, @Sooshirohl)

• Scales to 10.68 Kilotons
• Upscales from 1,313 Tons

Eula : 1 (@Mbpoops)

• Scales to 15.14 Kilotons
• Peak Human LS

 

[BiggestOpp]

Range diff

 

[Sooshirohl]

Range diff

is eula supposed to be the one range diffing here or the other way around, cause i don't really see either one range diffing the other especially given the starting distance

 

[MSahla]

Kinda.. Confusing to vote here, but Miyabi got a better range right there. So she might throwing her slashes from a great distances.

 

[BiggestOpp]

is eula supposed to be the one range diffing here or the other way around, cause i don't really see either one range diffing the other especially given the starting distance

Miyabi is range diffing

 

[PedjaTarzan]

what stops miyabi from blitzing eula with 34 speed amp assuming its still there?

 

[BiggestOpp]

what stops miyabi from blitzing eula with 34 speed amp assuming its still there?

She don’t have ts, even if she did it wouldn’t be combat applicable

 

[Sooshirohl]

Kinda.. Confusing to vote here, but Miyabi got a better range right there. So she might throwing her slashes from a great distances.

Miyabi is range diffing

miyabi's not gonna start off fighting from ranged in-character, her first move in fights has always consistently been dashing in to engage in CQC. especially given the starting distance plus the fact that she's facing another swordfighter, she's 100% gonna dash in to test her skill rather than backing off and spamming her ranged slashes

what stops miyabi from blitzing eula with 34 speed amp assuming its still there?

she doesn't have this anymore yeah, VV got removed from her profile a bit ago

 

[MSahla]

I see Miyabi's Spatial Manip there, but according to the scan it only works inside of a hollow? or only can do it to a hollow.

Though it may not listed on Eula's profile, but every elemental users in Genshin Impact, especially vision users, have Spatial Manip.

Spatial Manipulation (Strong attacks fueled with Elemental Energy can warp space itself. When these attacks are targeted at places where different spaces connect- such as the borders between two spaces, a rift can be torn between the two to allow travel between them.)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

she doesn't have this anymore yeah, VV got removed from her profile a bit ago

grrrr when did that happen!?

 

[BiggestOpp]

miyabi's not gonna start off fighting from ranged in-character, her first move in fights has always consistently been dashing in to engage in CQC. especially given the starting distance plus the fact that she's facing another swordfighter, she's 100% gonna dash in to test her skill rather than backing off and spamming her ranged slashes

Don’t disagree, but when going all out she always utilize her charged strikes.
Eula scales higher, so Miyabi would be getting overpowered close range, in which she’ll start attacking from range

 

[PedjaTarzan]

genshin chars have elemental intagibility and funnily enough eula is also cryo plus forcefield solves most of problems

 

[Sooshirohl]

I see Miyabi's Spatial Manip there, but according to the scan it only works inside of a hollow? or only can do it to a hollow.

i don't really think that's what the scan suggests? miyabi was basically emotionally amped and her attack against bringer resulted in her cutting a hole in the hollow. this was also following her resolving her internal conflicts with tailless. it was a bit of a specific scenario but i don't think there's anything that really suggests it can only work in hollows or the attack only works against hollows

i don't really think the spatial attack would be too helpful here though anyways, it has like a 5 second buildup which gives eula plenty of time to interrupt or dodge the attack given equal speed

grrrr when did that happen!?

as of today, a month ago lol

Don’t disagree, but when going all out she always utilize her charged strikes.
Eula scales higher, so Miyabi would be getting overpowered close range, in which she’ll start attacking from range

eh, the AP disparity isn't overwhelming enough to where i'd say miyabi would be getting completely dominated in CQC (it's only about 1.4x). plus miyabi has ridiculously better LS, which helps her out in things like sword clashes. if anything i'd say she'd probably be the one overpowering eula and not the other way around

 

[MSahla]

i don't really think the spatial attack would be too helpful here though anyways, it has like a 5 second buildup which gives eula plenty of time to interrupt or dodge the attack given equal speed

Then Eula have a better spatial attack here since it doesn't need like a charge attack or something, it only need a powerful attack.
As a vision user, Eula would have Forcefield Creation for her defense. Idk if Miyabi's LS can break through the shield.

 

[BiggestOpp]

i don't really think that's what the scan suggests? miyabi was basically emotionally amped and her attack against bringer resulted in her cutting a hole in the hollow. this was also following her resolving her internal conflicts with tailless. it was a bit of a specific scenario but i don't think there's anything that really suggests it can only work in hollows or the attack only works against hollows

It should be noted that Tailless is a giant lump of Ether. Hollows are exactly that, just Giant bubbles of Ether.
I don’t think it’s a bad assumption to assume she cut the hollow in half due to ether related bs.

eh, the AP disparity isn't overwhelming enough to where i'd say miyabi would be getting completely dominated in CQC (it's only about 1.4x). plus miyabi has ridiculously better LS, which helps her out in things like sword clashes. if anything i'd say she'd probably be the one overpowering eula and not the other way around

Uh???? Idk, I’d like to think that them swinging the swords at each other AP would take priority first and only when their AP is evenly matched would LS play a role.
I think a 1.4x gap is enough to overpower someone

 

[Sooshirohl]

Then Eula have a better spatial attack here since it doesn't need like a charge attack or something, it only need a powerful attack.

how does eula's spatial stuff work? haven't played genshin in a long while so i'm not really too familiar with her admittedly

As a vision user, Eula would have Forcefield Creation for her defense. Idk if Miyabi's LS can break through the shield.

the forcefields would probably come in handy here yeah. i doubt the LS would be able to break through them, though miyabi has ways of damage boosting herself so it's possible she could get strong enough in a prolonged fight to damage/break them

It should be noted that Tailless is a giant lump of Ether. Hollows are exactly that, just Giant bubbles of Ether.
I don’t think it’s a bad assumption to assume she cut the hollow in half due to ether related bs.

i don't necessarily disagree with that sentiment but that's sorta a whole separate thing tbh. regardless though, doesn't really change my stance that her spatial attack wouldn't be too useful here anyways cause of the aforementioned charge time

Uh???? Idk, I’d like to think that them swinging the swords at each other AP would take priority first and only when their AP is evenly matched would LS play a role.
I think a 1.4x gap is enough to overpower someone

that makes sense but ngl i've had a fair amount of debates on here where LS seemed to be prioritized over AP if the AP gap wasn't super massive so idk

assuming miyabi gets overpowered enough to warrant her into retreating to spam ranged slashes though, i don't think she's gonna jump back like hundreds of meters immediately. eula should be able to pursue given the fact that she seems to be able to fly and increase her speed so it'll be hard for miyabi to maintain distance between them

 

[MSahla]

how does eula's spatial stuff work? haven't played genshin in a long while so i'm not really too familiar with her admittedly

I mentioned it before.

 

[Sooshirohl]

I mentioned it before.

oh whoops, my bad lol

how often can she do these attacks? you mention it just needs a "powerful attack" so i assume the spatial properties aren't being imbued with every single one of her attacks and that she needs to empower her attack with it or something along those lines

 

[MSahla]

oh whoops, my bad lol

how often can she do these attacks? you mention it just needs a "powerful attack" so i assume the spatial properties aren't being imbued with every single one of her attacks and that she needs to empower her attack with it or something along those lines

I mean.. It's not like Eula would use a weak attacks anyways, especially if her opponent is Miyabi. It's kinda like this scan, But Itto here was already exhausted. like it doesn't mean it takes a lot of energy to do that spatial attacks.

Eula just needs to infuse Cryo element to every single of her attacks to do so. Like every single elemental users in genshin always infuse their elements onto their weapons/attacks.

 

[MSahla]

Also, Eula's burst animation kinda have that Spatial attack if we look it more closely.

 

[Sooshirohl]

Eula just needs to infuse Cryo element to every single of her attacks to do so. Like every single elemental users in genshin always infuse their elements onto their weapons/attacks.

hmmm. that might prove to be a bit unfortunate then. if eula hits miyabi with a spatial attack then i assume she just kind of dies no? her best bet would be jumping into long range upon realizing she's overpowered in CQC to abuse her superior range, but idk if she'd be able to do that if eula just infusing her attacks with cryo would be enough to kill her

 

[MSahla]

hmmm. that might prove to be a bit unfortunate then. if eula hits miyabi with a spatial attack then i assume she just kind of dies no? her best bet would be jumping into long range upon realizing she's overpowered in CQC to abuse her superior range, but idk if she'd be able to do that if eula just infusing her attacks with cryo would be enough to kill her

Like imagine they about to clash with a powerful attack, Eula's attack would just cut through space because of how powerful it is.

Just like in this video of her burst animation, we can see of how her attack infuse with cryo cut through space. It's almost like DuraNeg through space cutting.

 

[BiggestOpp]

I see Miyabi's Spatial Manip there, but according to the scan it only works inside of a hollow? or only can do it to a hollow.

Though it may not listed on Eula's profile, but every elemental users in Genshin Impact, especially vision users, have Spatial Manip.

Send me the thread where this was accepted to scale to all element users, and explain why Eula would have that.
The video linked not only says that it would require all of this guy’s energy to do the feat, but also mentions that this is occurring because whatever realm they’re in has a specific weakness that allows this.
So I need context

 

[MSahla]

Send me the thread where this was accepted to scale to all element users, and explain why Eula would have that.
The video linked not only says that it would require all of this guy’s energy to do the feat, but also mentions that this is occurring because whatever realm they’re in has a specific weakness that allows this.
So I need context

Look at the history of this, especially edit by @Puppet43

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Elemental_Energy_(Genshin_Impact)?so=search

Before this current state, there was a section of this page named "Fundamental Mechanisms". It's for the core mechanisms and effects of Elemental Power from down from its root aspects. And one of the abilities that was in that section was that Spatial Manip.

Later, this CRT were created by Puppet, basically he debunked a lot of abilities in Elemental Energy page. But here's the thing. He was NEVER debunked the Fundamental Mechanisms section whatsoever, yet he literally removed that section without it being accepted at all. And now, the Elemental Energy page is mess asf, unlike before. That's why i don't agree that we should make a whole new page in that thread of him. All he gotta do is just removed and added new ones. So yeah, the Spatial Manip for all elemental users is basically still a legit thing, like it was never get debunked, or nobody make a proposal to remove it.

As for the thread where it was accepted for all the elemental users, it was a thread made by Garrixian, because he's the one who made that elemental energy page back then. But now that he's banned, i can't find his thread anymore.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Look at the history of this, especially edit by @Puppet43

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Elemental_Energy_(Genshin_Impact)?so=search

Before this current state, there was a section of this page named "Fundamental Mechanisms". It's for the core mechanisms and effects of Elemental Power from down from its root aspects. And one of the abilities that was in that section was that Spatial Manip.

Later, this CRT were created by Puppet, basically he debunked a lot of abilities in Elemental Energy page. But here's the thing. He was NEVER debunked the Fundamental Mechanisms section whatsoever, yet he literally removed that section without it being accepted at all. And now, the Elemental Energy page is mess asf, unlike before. That's why i don't agree that we should make a whole new page in that thread of him. All he gotta do is just removed and added new ones. So yeah, the Spatial Manip for all elemental users is basically still a legit thing, like it was never get debunked, or nobody make a proposal to remove it.

As for the thread where it was accepted for all the elemental users, it was a thread made by Garrixian, because he's the one who made that elemental energy page back then. But now that he's banned, i can't find his thread anymore.

Not to be a jackass, but without a thread to prove what you’re saying there’s no way for me to verify what you’re saying.
As things stand, ts ain’t on the profile and there’s no thread to have to added back/explanation of the mechanics.
Spatial manipulation doesn’t always mean dura neg, and based on the video, there seems to be limitations and nuances behind it. So either get ts added again or it’s just not applicable here

 

[MSahla]

Not to be a jackass, but without a thread to prove what you’re saying there’s no way for me to verify what you’re saying.
As things stand, ts ain’t on the profile and there’s no thread to have to added back/explanation of the mechanics.

As i said, i can't find the thread because the one who made that thread was getting permaban, so i can't find his thread. If i can i already give you here.

Spatial manipulation doesn’t always mean dura neg, and based on the video, there seems to be limitations and nuances behind it. So either get ts added again or it’s just not applicable here

Theres no limitations. That dude is already exhausted after doing all crazy things before that scene/moment.

It's not Non-Combat Applicable either, as you can see here in this video of Eula's burst animation where her attack infuse with Cryo element can cut through space.

 

[BiggestOpp]

As i said, i can't find the thread because the one who made that thread was getting permaban, so i can't find his thread. If i can i already give you here.

I’m aware of that. That’s why i said what i said. With no thread we cannot confirm the mechanics of it, what it was accepted to be capable of nor can we verify the contents of the downgrade. So either get it reapplied or it’s just not usable.

Theres no limitations. That dude is already exhausted after doing all crazy things before that scene/moment.

The first link you gave us has the guy saying he has to use ALL of his power in order to achieve the feat. He also says he’ll only be able to do it once.
Having to use all of his power and not being able to use it consistently is evidence that it’s not something that can be used casually/spammed.
Idc about the guy passing out after doing it, it’s irrelevant to what I’m saying.
“it’ll take everything I got” does not suggest “I can casually do this forever”

It's not Non-Combat Applicable either, as you can see here in this video of Eula's burst animation where her attack infuse with Cryo element can cut through space.

There’s nothing in the scene suggesting that’s a space cut bro lol. It just looks like a traditional anime slash, the OP thinking it’s a space cut doesn’t prove it is. Is there any evidence suggesting this is a space cut?

 

[Sooshirohl]

bump

ngl i am also admittedly a bit skeptical on the whole spatial attacks thing but i can't really confirm anything myself since i don't play genshin. if it checks out though, then i think either eula just enhances her sword with cryo and just kills miyabi immediately or miyabi realizes she's overpowered in CQC and jumps to ranged to start spamming slash attacks

 

[Natsuki012]

I'm going with Miyabi mostly due to her range and superior LS

 

[Sooshirohl]

I'm going with Miyabi mostly due to her range and superior LS

i'll count this vote for the time being, though i'm probably gonna wait to hear a bit more from genshin peeps before i cast my own vote

 

[Sooshirohl]

bump

 

[Sooshirohl]

bump

 

[Mbpoops]

Eula lowkey hotter so she takes it

 

[Mbpoops]

On a serious note miyabi can probably holder her down due to ls but eula has like 5 tons over her so i think eula wins eula’s ass weighs more than the planet

 

[Naito-desu]

The main debaters are banned for a few weeks still Still, I think Miyabi takes this

 

[GodEarh206]

Fox Wife FRA

 

[Sooshirohl]

The main debaters are banned for a few weeks still Still, I think Miyabi takes this

??????? what the hell happened to the genshin debaters dawg

On a serious note miyabi can probably holder her down due to ls but eula has like 5 tons over her so i think eula wins eula’s ass weighs more than the planet

The main debaters are banned for a few weeks still Still, I think Miyabi takes this

Fox Wife FRA

i'll count all three of these votes though

 

[BiggestOpp]

Count my vote goober

 

[Sooshirohl]

Count my vote goober

you didn't say you were officially voting till now smh counted

 

[Naito-desu]

I'm pretty sure they got banned for trying to bypass the slur filter. They'll be back it's just a one month ban