Yuta Okkotsu vs Yuki Tsumoko (3-9-0) GRACE

[GodzillavsRayquaza]

People were yelling at each other about this in the JJK general discussion thread

Rules:

• Culling Games Yuta
• Starting distance of 25 meters
• They know as much about each other as they’d know in canon
• In-character, and motivation is they’re fighting to see who’s the stronger sorcerer, but they aren’t suddenly psychopaths so no black hole

Yuta: 3 (@Mommyleona, @Gokukid2005, @Jaynic1)
Yuki: 9 (@Bimbitesthedust, @Bananossauro, @Robo432343, @Buraqibear, @GodEarh206, @Catbowtie, @Anonymous_Learner, @Excellence616, @VoidGoji)
Inconclusive: 0

 

[Mommyleona]

Yuta low diffs frb

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Itadori black flash both frb

 

[Excellence616]

What's Yuta type of girl?

 

[Arkenis]

I don't see much of a way Yuta wins unless he spams Dhruv's ct and makes the best plays of his life to dodge Yuki and Rika somehow doesn't get one shot by a Garuda kick.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Does Yuta have Sky Manipulation here? Either way, Culling game Yuta won't win 70% of the time, yeah. Not only he doesn't start with Rika right away, but Yuki's punch can blow up both Kenjaku arms and I don't see how Yuta is doing better.

Yuki just needs to hit him two or three times in a row

Also, Yuta domain in this key is featless so it's not a barrier diff

 

[GodzillavsRayquaza]

Does Yuta have Sky Manipulation here?

Yes. Should I put you down for a vote?

 

[Mommyleona]

I don't see much of a way Yuta wins unless he spams Dhruv's ct and makes the best plays of his life to dodge Yuki and Rika somehow doesn't get one shot by a Garuda kick.

remind me who's stated to be second only to Gojo at that time

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

No one knows about Yuki's CT, so she wouldn't be registered as second strongest anyway

 

[Arkenis]

remind me who's stated to be second only to Gojo at that time

Yuta is stated to be second to Gojo in abilities.

 

[Mommyleona]

No one knows about Yuki's CT, so she wouldn't be registered as second strongest anyway

what does this have to do with her ct being known by higher ups or not lol? the statement comes from a narrator referring to sorcerers from the modern era

 

[Mommyleona]

Yuta is stated to be second to Gojo in abilities.

blud, its literally on his profile

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

blud, its literally on his profile

It was stated to be based on abilities. Kanji is used regarding abilities

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don't see much of a way Yuta wins unless he spams Dhruv's ct and makes the best plays of his life to dodge Yuki and Rika somehow doesn't get one shot by a Garuda kick.

Not to mention Yuki knows Rika acts as a external storage for Yuta. So she would start with Garuda kick as far as I can tell. That shoot was able to leave Kenjaku dumb folded. Rika definitely ain't reacting or dodging that. Yuta might dodge but I don't think Rika can manifest after complete destruction atleast for some time. Since when partial Rika got destroyed by Ryu we don't see she coming back instantly Yuta need to fight on his own.

 

[Mommyleona]

It was stated to be based on abilities. Kanji is used regarding abilities

and in context what do abilities refer to??? lmao
its about Jujutsu, jujutsu sorcery, ie "supernatural abilities", so Yuta is top 2 in Jujutsu, meaning still above Yuki
there's also the second statement, albeit idk where its from
and those are only statements already showing Yuta is superior, Yuta is stronger anyway

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

and in context what do abilities refer to??? lmao
its about Jujutsu, jujutsu sorcery, ie "supernatural abilities", so Yuta is top 2 in Jujutsu, meaning still above Yuki
there's also the second statement, albeit idk where its from
and those are only statements already showing Yuta is superior, Yuta is stronger anyway

Nothing stated anything about Yuta being superior in power. We see Kenjaku even talks about Yuta's abilities in Shibuya while sealing Gojo. It's clearly you people twisting the words here. Nothing implied Yuta is second based on strength.

 

[Mommyleona]

Nothing stated anything about Yuta being superior in power.

Jujutsu sorcery refers to everything, ill shock you when i say that super strength and power also fall under "supernatural abilities" and again in context even more so as jujutsu sorcery includes everything from your cts to reinforcement to domain skills to everything

We see Kenjaku even talks about Yuta's abilities in Shibuya while sealing Gojo

yeah he says that he thinks Yuta wont compare to Gojo in the future... WOAH. what an anti feat! who else compares to Gojo outside of Sukuna again?

It's clearly you people twisting the words here. Nothing implied Yuta is second based on strength.

except everything did, Lightning, the translator you linked, is literally saying the same, that it would refer to Jujutsu

 

[Arkenis]

blud, its literally on his profile

Even if we take this statement at face value it doesn't mean he's tanking Yuki's punches or winning in a fight.

and in context what do abilities refer to??? lmao
its about Jujutsu, jujutsu sorcery, ie "supernatural abilities", so Yuta is top 2 in Jujutsu, meaning still above Yuki
there's also the second statement, albeit idk where its from
and those are only statements already showing Yuta is superior, Yuta is stronger anyway

This bad interpretation to argue supernatural abilities means their overall supernatural abilities is faulty. The statement is already putting us in a context where the general group (sorcerers) are supernatural beings with supernatural abilities. The statement is also within a context where Gojo is the peak, i.e, the character who uses the greatest unique supernatural abilities in their society. It's a statement meant to explain how unique Yuta is as a sorcerer in the modern era, not to weirdly say "he's the second strongest".

 

[Mommyleona]

Even if we take this statement at face value it doesn't mean he's tanking Yuki's punches or winning in a fight.

It does mean that he's winning the fight. Do i have to remind you who on top of those statements is the guy with actual domain feats? or another top tier in his pocket? or actual variety of abilities and not just one trick pony?

This bad interpretation to argue supernatural abilities means their overall supernatural abilities is faulty

it absolutely isnt, the translator themselves is saying what i said.

The statement is also within a context where Gojo is the peak, i.e, the character who uses the greatest unique supernatural abilities in their society. It's a statement meant to explain how unique Yuta is as a sorcerer in the modern era, not to weirdly say "he's the second strongest".

the level of mental gymnastics here is absurd, "actually Gege didnt mean to pretty straightforwardly show us how strong Yuta is, but how weird and unusual his abilities are"

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Bla bla bla Yuki FRA

 

[Mommyleona]

Bla bla bla Yuki FRA

aint no way bro

 

[Arkenis]

It does mean that he's winning the fight. Do i have to remind you who on top of those statements is the guy with actual domain feats? or another top tier in his pocket? or actual variety of abilities and not just one trick pony?

What domain feats does CG Yuta have? Show them.

it absolutely isnt, the translator themselves is saying what i said.

They aren't and they don't represent the context of the manga. I think Lightning would also agree the specific use of those kanjis is about the sorcerers specific abilities.

the level of mental gymnastics here is absurd, "actually Gege didnt mean to pretty straightforwardly show us how strong Yuta is, but how weird and unusual his abilities are"

All I did was explain the broader context the statement is set in.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

You only got a statament, Yuki got the tatics and feats ️

 

[Mommyleona]

What domain feats does CG Yuta have? Show them.

1. We actually have a name and sure hit for his domain, unlike Yuki's
2. Domain skill falls under the jujutsu sorcery

They aren't

they are

they don't represent the context of the manga.

and i already gave you actual context of the manga

I think Lightning would also agree the specific use of those kanjis is about the sorcerers specific abilities.

So Yuta still takes everything i mentioned above...

jujutsu sorcery includes everything from your cts to reinforcement to domain skills to everything

All I did was explain the broader context the statement is set in.

And its wrong, you for some reason narrow it down to i assume just Yuta's ct, and not his abilities as a whole, which has no ground

You only got a statament, Yuki got the tatics and feats

what feats??
punching good 1 time then never ever being able to replicate that feat?
Or her output becoming absolute dogshit whenever using rct? While yuta can keep up with the guy with the highest output ever while using rct?
Cursed speech, Sky manipulation>>Bombaye and Garuda
Add Rika with an actually shown domain and Yuki is cooked

i also like to add that as per given rules

In-character, and motivation is they’re fighting to see who’s the stronger sorcerer,

You think Yuki will just go to blow Yuta's limbs off/for the kill??? yuta has so many more options to put down Yuki without killing her, unlike yuki

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

punching good 1 time then never ever being able to replicate that feat?

After that feat she was crushed by Kenjaku domain, lost one arm and had her organs destroyed, and was never capable to replicate it again.

Can't see how Yuta would make this scenario happen again

 

[Mommyleona]

After that feat she was crushed by Kenjaku domain, lost one arm and had her organs destroyed, and was never capable to replicate it again.

she couldnt replicate it even after she healed with rct

Can't see how Yuta would make this scenario to happen again

5min mode -> "dont move" -> cuts her up or beats her down with Rika or TiB or opens domain
what are Yuki's options outside of hoping to land that 1 punch, which wont even kill Yuta most likely and just force him to go all out?

also why did you ignore everything else?

 

[Arkenis]

1. We actually have a name and sure hit for his domain, unlike Yuki's
2. Domain skill falls under the jujutsu sorcery

What are the feats?

And its wrong, you for some reason narrow it down to i assume just Yuta's ct, and not his abilities as a whole, which has no ground

No I don't. It's several things, output of pos energy, rct, boundless energy, copy, domain. You are misinterpreting my argument. These are unusual abilities. Sorcerers manipulating their cursed energy isn't unique unless it's like Gojo or Sukuna.

 

[Mommyleona]

What are the feats?

just named them, what are the feats for Yuki's domain? Does it even exist or did she make it up to sound cooler?

No I don't. It's several things, output of pos energy, rct, boundless energy, copy, domain.

so you agree with what i said, yet you still disagree with what i said
you just disagree to disagree

These are unusual abilities. Sorcerers manipulating their cursed energy isn't unique unless it's like Gojo or Sukuna.

all of sorcerers's abilities are unusual by default, as i said in the context those abilities mean jujutsu sorcery, "unusual abilities 2nd to Gojo" means the same as "Jujutsu sorcery 2nd to Gojo"

 

[Arkenis]

just named them, what are the feats for Yuki's domain? Does it even exist or did she make it up to sound cooler?

You didn't show any feats? What are the feats? And idk why this point is being argued, I didn't even argue Yuki and Yuta would get into a domain battle.

so you agree with what i said, yet you still disagree with what i said

This isn't agreement but alright.

all of sorcerers's abilities are unusual by default, as i said in the context those abilities mean jujutsu sorcery, "unusual abilities 2nd to Gojo" means the same as "Jujutsu sorcery 2nd to Gojo"

Refer to my explanation of the context. I already disagree with this interpretation.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

What's Yuta type of girl?

Maki Zenin

 

[Mommyleona]

You didn't show any feats? What are the feats?

For god's sake stop arguing semantics

And idk why this point is being argued, I didn't even argue Yuki and Yuta would get into a domain battle.

why wouldnt they? and obv yuki fans dont wanna argue that as there is NOTHING to say about yuki's domain

Refer to my explanation of the context. I already disagree with this interpretation.

Your interpretation makes less sense

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

2nd Strongest sorcerer under Satoru Gojo FRA

 

[Mommyleona]

count me in for Yuta as there's legit no argument for Yuki made yet outside of "stronk punch" with no regard for Yuta's own abilities and counters and so much more
im going to sleep

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Yuki does seem to have some form of range via Garuda and Domain is good both offensively and defensively. While Yuta does have some better range via dhruvs and the rika beams (not the versions in vol 0) both generally go for cqc from what I remember

Yuki gets my vote ig

 

[Bananossauro]

Yuki FRA.
That Yuta statement means almost nothing in this fight due to the way they fight. She can block and evade his hits but he can't block her without needing to nerf himself and using RCT. If they go for h2h she wins faster, if not, maybe he can squeeze a win via withering her down so she can't just take out chunks of his body with punches, but Yuki also has range via Garuda soI think that ain't very probable.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

she couldnt replicate it even after she healed with rct

Of course, but she won't need to use her RCT of such level here

5min mode -> "dont move"

"Don't move" is useless if the sorcerer knows about it. He didn't even used it against Ryu after the first time against Uro, and I doubt Yuki does not know about Yuta's techniques

also why did you ignore everything else?

Lazy for the rest

 

[Buraqibear]

Yuki blitzed Kenjaku and a special grade curse with her Garuda kick, I honestly think she might take it

 

[GodEarh206]

Bruhh, Yuki FRA

 

[Catbowtie]

Yuki FRA

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Jujutsu sorcery refers to everything, ill shock you when i say that super strength and power also fall under "supernatural abilities" and again in context even more so as jujutsu sorcery includes everything from your cts to reinforcement to domain skills to everything

Oh brother it never stated as jujutsu sorcery. Yuta stuff is copy technique which gives him various other stuff and Rika as external storage.

yeah he says that he thinks Yuta wont compare to Gojo in the future... WOAH. what an anti feat! who else compares to Gojo outside of Sukuna again?

He pointed out why everyone looks after him "his ability to copy CT & boundless CE" NOWHERE stated anything about him being second only to Gojo.
Same Kenjaku while fighting Yuki questions himself if he can take her down.

There is no reason to believe in Yuta being second to Gojo while Kenjaku only doubted himself against Yuki while he sees Yuta as a nobody.