Himeko (Honkai: Star Rail) vs Kai (Ninjago) [0-7-0] (GRACE ENDED)

[Lloydblitzed]

The promised Ninjago vs HSR fight (but its Fire vs Fire)


Rules:
Post Releasement Kai is used and has his Golden Katana
Herta Space Station Arc to Xianzhou Luofu Arc Himeko is used and has access to her suitcase
Fight takes place an empty City of Temples
Speed is equalized
Starting distance: 5m
SBA for the rest

Himeko:
Kai: @AigerTheKing @TheOrangeGuy09 @Arency @Ultimate-Rex1 @TegamiBachi25 @EL_xWatcher1234x @Lloydblitzed
Incon:

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Waiting for him to run fades with the heroic spirits of HSR

Altria Pendragon (Honkai: Star Rail)

Saber (セイバー Seibā?) is a playable character in Honkai: Star Rail. Saber is the Saber-class Servant of the Trailblazer summoned during the Penacony Holy Grail War. Her real name is Altria Pendragon, also known as King Arthur. She is the King of Knights who once ruled the kingdom of Britain. Tier...

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[Lloydblitzed]

Waiting for him to run fades with the heroic spirits of HSR

Altria Pendragon (Honkai: Star Rail)

Saber (セイバー Seibā?) is a playable character in Honkai: Star Rail. Saber is the Saber-class Servant of the Trailblazer summoned during the Penacony Holy Grail War. Her real name is Altria Pendragon, also known as King Arthur. She is the King of Knights who once ruled the kingdom of Britain. Tier...

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Using Low 1-C Kai atp

 

[AigerTheKing]

From my experience with HSR stuff:

Kai's Heat factor is not a wincoin due to her likely smurfed resistances (and is way above Kai's capabilities anyways)

Extreme Heat (15,000,000°C; Can resist the heat from Blaze Out of Space which is as hot as the core of stars)

Kai has the small ah 2x AP advantage

So it really comes down to their skills and abilities, and Himeko's amps

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Waiting for him to run fades with the heroic spirits of HSR

Altria Pendragon (Honkai: Star Rail)

Saber (セイバー Seibā?) is a playable character in Honkai: Star Rail. Saber is the Saber-class Servant of the Trailblazer summoned during the Penacony Holy Grail War. Her real name is Altria Pendragon, also known as King Arthur. She is the King of Knights who once ruled the kingdom of Britain. Tier...

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How does her Satellite ability work exactly?

Planetary with Satellite (Can use her satellite to fire a big energy beam anywhere on the planet she is in)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Using Low 1-C Kai atp

I'll figure out a way to chainscale HSR Saber and Archer to 1-B one day

How does her Satellite ability work exactly?

 

[AigerTheKing]

I'll figure out a way to chainscale HSR Saber and Archer to 1-B one day

Looks like the AP from that beam is higher than Kai's durability as well (well in base)

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Yeah it wouldn't be good for Kai to be repetively struck by that

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Looks like the AP from that beam is higher than Kai's durability as well (well in base)

I think that she would be more encouraged to using the Molten Detonation thing if Kai starts with close range physical attacks (since he has a sword)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

reminder all her notable skills does attack multipliers above her listed AP value"

• Sawblade Tuning (武ぶ装そう調ちょう律りつ Busō Chōritsu<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="wikipedia:Help:Installing Japanese character sets"><span>?</span></a>): Deals fire damage equal to 130% of Himeko's attack to a single enemy.
• Molten Detonation (熔核爆裂ようかくばくれつ Yōkaku Bakuretsu<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="wikipedia:Help:Installing Japanese character sets"><span>?</span></a>): Deals fire damage equal to 250% of Himeko's attack to a single enemy and fire damage equal to 100% of Himeko's attack to any adjacent enemies.
• Heavenly Flare (天墜てんついの火ひ Tentsui no Hi<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="wikipedia:Help:Installing Japanese character sets"><span>?</span></a>): Himeko's Ultimate. Himeko calls upon a orbital laser to deal fire damage equal to 264% of Himeko's attack to all enemies. Additionally, Himeko additionally regenerates 10 energy for each enemy defeated.

 

[AigerTheKing]

I think that she would be more encouraged to using the Molten Detonation thing if Kai starts with close range physical attacks (since he has a sword)

Wouldn't that mean being hit by explosions consistently?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Wouldn't that mean being hit by explosions consistently?

He laughed off an explosion from the GWs. I think he should be fine with this espcially since the 170% amp isn't above his AP

 

[Lloydblitzed]

reminder all her notable skills does attack multipliers above her listed AP value"

• Sawblade Tuning (武ぶ装そう調ちょう律りつ Busō Chōritsu<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="wikipedia:Help:Installing Japanese character sets"><span>?</span></a>): Deals fire damage equal to 130% of Himeko's attack to a single enemy.
• Molten Detonation (熔核爆裂ようかくばくれつ Yōkaku Bakuretsu<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="wikipedia:Help:Installing Japanese character sets"><span>?</span></a>): Deals fire damage equal to 250% of Himeko's attack to a single enemy and fire damage equal to 100% of Himeko's attack to any adjacent enemies.
• Heavenly Flare (天墜てんついの火ひ Tentsui no Hi<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets" title="wikipedia:Help:Installing Japanese character sets"><span>?</span></a>): Himeko's Ultimate. Himeko calls upon a orbital laser to deal fire damage equal to 264% of Himeko's attack to all enemies. Additionally, Himeko additionally regenerates 10 energy for each enemy defeated.

Oh I haven't realised Molten Detonation is a 250% amp instead of 170%. Mb

 

[AigerTheKing]

Oh I haven't realised Molten Detonation is a 250% amp instead of 170%. Mb

Tbh the gap isn't big enough to one shot either. Would only be 1.25x higher

 

[AigerTheKing]

reminder all her notable skills does attack multipliers above her listed AP value"

How much Heat can Himeko produce? (Like how much degrees)

He laughed off an explosion from the GWs. I think he should be fine with this espcially since the 170% amp isn't above his AP

Sure but still superior AP to his. She also has a 20% Speed amp

My Childhood (子こ供ども時じ代だい Kodomo Jidai): After "Victory Rush" is triggered, Himeko's speed increases by 20% for 2 turn(s).

 

[Lloydblitzed]

How much Heat can Himeko produce? (Like how much degrees)

If she's just gonna throw regular Fire Beams before pulling the Satellite, I don't see why he can't just reflect back the flames just like against a dragon

Sure but still superior AP to his. She also has a 20% Speed amp

To be able to do that, she has to break his weakness beforehand

Victory Rush (乗勝じょうしょう追撃ついげき, Jōshō Tsuigeki): When an enemy's weakness is broken, Himeko gains a stack of charge (max 3 stacks). If Himeko is fully charged, deals fire damage equal to 170% of Himeko's attack to all enemies after an ally performs an attack, and consumes all charge stacks. Gains 1 stack of charge at the beginning of the battle.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

is himeko even skilled for ts
anyway she also has acces trough imaginary energy via

• Paths (The Trailblaze)

if she utilizes this properly she would be able to win

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

is himeko even skilled for ts
anyway she also has acces trough imaginary energy via

• Paths (The Trailblaze)

if she utilizes this properly she would be able to win

Oh I know a very skilled HSR character that would love to copy all of Kai's weapons

EMIYA (Honkai: Star Rail)

Archer is a playable character in Honkai: Star Rail. Archer is the Archer-class Servant of Aventurine summoned during the Penacony Holy Grail War. His real name is EMIYA and he is dedicated to protecting his planet as a Heroic Spirit and Counter Guardian. Tier: Low 1-C, higher with Unlimited...

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[Lloydblitzed]

is himeko even skilled for ts

Well at least she got wincoins

anyway she also has acces trough imaginary energy via

• Paths (The Trailblaze)

if she utilizes this properly she would be able to win

So Path just turns her Hax/Resistances potency into 1-B stuff?

 

[helello100]

Well at least she got wincoins

So Path just turns her Hax/Resistances potency into 1-B stuff?

Yeah pathstriders has 1-B stuff too not just emanators like Herta or Acheron. They just lack the potency of them

So even a normal path strider just Quantum deconstructs with their attacks through imaginary energy

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Yeah pathstriders has 1-B stuff too not just emanators like Herta or Acheron. They just lack the potency of them

Alright

So even a normal path strider just Quantum deconstructs with their attacks through imaginary energy

Can she start with her Path or she needs to pull up some move beforehand like with the 20% Speed amp thingy?

 

[AigerTheKing]

To be able to do that, she has to break his weakness beforehand

She can just shoot him with the satellite to weaken him

 

[Lloydblitzed]

She can just shoot him with the satellite to weaken him

If Kai realise his opponent can pull attacks stronger than him, he'll use RDT as he did against Shatterspin users and Thunderfang, which by then would only need one hit for him to one tap

 

[AigerTheKing]

Can she start with her Path or she needs to pull up some move beforehand like with the 20% Speed amp thingy?

I think the Traiblaze Path is something she can activate at will via her ult or something

Trailblaze! (開拓かいたく！ Kaitaku): Himeko's Ultimate hits 2 more times, with each additional hit dealing damage equal to 40% of her Ultimate damage to a random enemy.

Tho it could be something else. They'll tell us

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I think the Traiblaze Path is something she can activate at will via her ult or something

If Kai pulls RDT after getting beamed on once, the ult straight up won't work since its a 10x amp

Tho it could be something else. They'll tell us

Assuming its something she can use by default, Kai should just be able to overpower most of her attacks in base with his beams (and all of them with RDT), not to count he has speed advantage he can use quicker than Himeko (due to needing to complete the Victory Rush before being able to enhance her speed)

 

[AigerTheKing]

Assuming its something she can use by default, Kai should just be able to overpower most of her attacks in base with his beams (and all of them with RDT), not to count he has speed advantage he can use quicker than Himeko (due to needing to complete the Victory Rush before being able to enhance her speed)

What if it deconstructs the attacks too

 

[Lloydblitzed]

What if it deconstructs the attacks too

Like you said before, pulls the Art of the Silent Fist

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Like you said before, pulls the Art of the Silent Fist

Make a matchup where this shit actually works on someone please

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Make a matchup where this shit actually works on someone please

Art of the Silent Fist is basically Kai fighting enemy by "not fighting", and thus willingly dodge everything the guy throws against him and it worked on Nindroids who are Zane's clones

 

[Lloydblitzed]

What if it deconstructs the attacks too

Body slams her with RDT

 

[AigerTheKing]

Make a matchup where this shit actually works on someone please

Am I wrong here or nah?

I think the Traiblaze Path is something she can activate at will via her ult or something



Tho it could be something else. They'll tell us

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Am I wrong here or nah?

Everyone in the astral express is using the trailblaze path 24/7. The trailblaze path is just adapting to harsh conditions or self substance type 3. Theyre just not using imaginary energy haxes 24/7

 

[AigerTheKing]

Art of the Silent Fist is basically Kai fighting enemy by "not fighting", and thus willingly dodge everything the guy throws against him and it worked on Nindroids who are Zane's clones

Her path enhance her stamina

Self-Sustenance (Type 3; The Trailblaze's path passively enhances stamina, allowing the Nameless to operate continuously for as long as needed, after which only needing to make up for it in equivalent rest time)

Which is already pretty high

Stamina: Superhuman (Trailblazers can go days without sleep)

I don't think this is gonna work forever especially since Heavenly Fire is a huge AOE attack

 

[AigerTheKing]

Everyone in the astral express is using the trailblaze path 24/7. The trailblaze path is just adapting to harsh conditions or self substance type 3. Theyre just not using imaginary energy haxes 24/7

Makes much more sense. So they wouldn't be pulling Deconstructing attacks 24/7 right?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Her path enhance her stamina



Which is already pretty high

Fair. I didn't expect this to work against this kind of opponent either, just wanted to fool around

I don't think this is gonna work forever especially since Heavenly Fire is a huge AOE attack

Tbh EMs got pretty good pain tolerance so he should have less trouble surviving attacks of higher AP unlike Himeko

Immense Pain Tolerance (Elemental Masters were consistanly shown to be able to wisthand blows from people scaling vastly above them in power, such as here, here, here, here and here, and can do so even after being rendered powerless.)

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Makes much more sense. So they wouldn't be pulling Deconstructing attacks 24/7 right?

Well then lowkey Kai just massively outranges with big beams. Even if he doesn't start with RDT and she doesn't pull her ult first minute, he can still use Spinjitzu, easily throw her around with it since he has Class T LS and it seems like he outskills her too according to the other guy

Victory Rush also seem to be reliant on a robot she throws which Kai can obliderate and thus keep her from using the 20% Speed Amplifier

 

[AigerTheKing]

Everyone in the astral express is using the trailblaze path 24/7. The trailblaze path is just adapting to harsh conditions or self substance type 3. Theyre just not using imaginary energy haxes 24/7

Does her ult scale to any specific Heat value? Could really impact one of her wincoins in a positive way


Edit: Oh I forgot her Path makes it 1-B, nvm my question

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Yeah pathstriders has 1-B stuff too not just emanators like Herta or Acheron. They just lack the potency of them

So even a normal path strider just Quantum deconstructs with their attacks through imaginary energy

Well at least she got wincoins

So Path just turns her Hax/Resistances potency into 1-B stuff?

Well no, imaginary energy is Concept Type 1, so all abilities linked to it etc will not be accepted as 1-B because according to this wiki abilities such as information or concept or etc... You can't get potency except for 1-A best example is Mana don't get 1-B hax because it's linked to Reality Warping/Information Manipulation

 

[AigerTheKing]

Well no, imaginary energy is Concept Type 1, so all abilities linked to it etc will not be accepted as 1-B because according to this wiki abilities such as information or concept or etc... You can't get potency except for 1-A best example is Mana don't get 1-B hax because it's Reality Warping/Information Manipulation

Her Fire can still be 1-B no? If so than Kai can't afford to be hit by either the beam or flames

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Her Fire can still be 1-B no? If so than Kai can't afford to be hit by either the beam or flames

If her fire related to it so no 1-B