Tanjiro Kamado Vs Gyomei Himejima (Demon Slayer) [8-8-1]

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Tanjiro Kamado Vs Gyomei Himejima

Speed is equalized at their Mark state. They can still amp themselves.
Gyomei starts off in Mark
Sunrise Countdown Tanjiro is used
Both are bloodlusted
Fight takes place in Akaza's waterfall arena from Movie 1

Fight OST:


Tanjiro Kamado: @NikHelton @KnyRaizn @CastoriceTheFifth @Machmatej @AigerTheKing @OiEuSouDuvi @JoeDM021 @JustANormalLemon

Gyomei Himejima: @Epyriel @Kavopaco @Robo432343 @Catbowtie @AppleMaker @Shadowslaya! @Assassin @Mommyleona

Murata: @Shadowslash125

 

[Arkansalter2]

They battle spihrit each other.

following

 

[NikHelton]

Tanjiro appears to be a much more versatile fighter with better agility, a greater variety of techniques, greater stamina, and better opponent analysis.

Tanjiro mid diff

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

They battle spihrit each other.

following

Man, haven't we told you to stop using official art from the manga?

Following.

 

[Epyriel]

Tanjiro was fighting on par with a blinded Obanai who was otherwise just as injured as him, with both of them needing to save each other repeatedly, and attacked Muzan in sync.

Meanwhile Gyomei was carrying a far more healthy Obanai against a far stronger Muzan.

Voting Gyomei.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Tanjiro mid fight and dodging

 

[Kavopaco]

Going for Gyomei fra

 

[KnyRaizn]

Muzan is the strongest demon and easily kills every pillar, not to mention that Muzan's entire fight is PIS, the pillars couldn't even get close to him, since they can't even beat a UPM. Even assuming their feats are valid, Tanjiro has relativity feat 1v1 against Muzan, the only one who shows any evidence of it, he can easily hold his own. Not to mention that Tanjiro has STW, he would literally see Gyomei slow and predict every strike, it would be very easy to dodge and strike without giving Gyomei a chance to react. Tanjiro slaughters him no diff

 

[Robo432343]

Gyomei fra
Tanjiro probably wins inverse tho

 

[Epyriel]

Muzan is the strongest demon and easily kills every pillar, not to mention that Muzan's entire fight is PIS, the pillars couldn't even get close to him, since they can't even beat a UPM.

There is a reason the entire fight centers around Muzan being drugged into being killable by weaker characters. And as such, they do repeatedly get close to him and land a series of blows against him.

Even assuming their feats are valid, Tanjiro has relativity feat 1v1 against Muzan, the only one who shows any evidence of it, he can easily hold his own.

Tanjiro’s 1v1 feats are against a far weaker Muzan that Tanjiro himself credits to the Hashira’s efforts in weakening him. Tanjiro’s feats here are no more impressive than Obanai’s who performed perfectly in sync with him.

Not to mention that Tanjiro has STW, he would literally see Gyomei slow and predict every strike, it would be very easy to dodge and strike without giving Gyomei a chance to react. Tanjiro slaughters him no diff

Gyomei also has TW.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Gyomei also has TW.

 

[KnyRaizn]

There is a reason the entire fight centers around Muzan being drugged into being killable by weaker characters. And as such, they do repeatedly get close to him and land a series of blows against him.

Yes, obviously, the same Tanjiro, who couldn't follow Muzan with his eyes. Base Obanai is definitely relative to Gyiu, and certainly also above Akaza, since he could follow Muzan. Not to mention that Muzan is stated to be much more powerful than the UPMS even in that form. The fight is full of contradictions. The drug has little to do with it, Muzan was still superior to the Hashira and upms and could easily defeat them. Even assuming the feats are correct and ignoring nonsense that the Hashira couldn't realistically do, the nine of them were barely able to do anything. Tanjiro alone managed to hold his own, the same version of Muzan that no-diffed Gyomei and all the others.

Tanjiro’s 1v1 feats are against a far weaker Muzan that Tanjiro himself credits to the Hashira’s efforts in weakening him. Tanjiro’s feats here are no more impressive than Obanai’s who performed perfectly in sync with him.

Far weaker Muzan? It's the same Muzan who killed everyone, literally two panel after muzan no diffed everyone, tanjiro does his first feat against him. Tanjiro himself implies it, saying that attack is the reason everyone lost. Muzan only becomes much weaker when he realizes it and when Tanjiro also slows down. Initially, it's the same Muzan and Tanjiro is perfectly relative to him.

Gyomei also has TW.

Gyomei doesn't have it like Tanjiro does, he can only sense it a bit like Tanjiro did in SSVA by smelling it. Tanjiro has a STW unlocked through his father's method, his stats have increased, and narratively his strength levels due to that breathing are superior to current swordsmen.

 

[Epyriel]

Yes, obviously, the same Tanjiro, who couldn't follow Muzan with his eyes. Base Obanai is definitely relative to Gyiu, and certainly also above Akaza, since he could follow Muzan. Not to mention that Muzan is stated to be much more powerful than the UPMS even in that form. The fight is full of contradictions.

In terms of regeneration.

The drug has little to do with it, Muzan was still superior to the Hashira and upms and could easily defeat them.

Clearly not.

Even assuming the feats are correct and ignoring nonsense that the Hashira couldn't realistically do, the nine of them were barely able to do anything. Tanjiro alone managed to hold his own, the same version of Muzan that no-diffed Gyomei and all the others.

Far weaker Muzan? It's the same Muzan who killed everyone, literally two panel after muzan no diffed everyone, tanjiro does his first feat against him. Tanjiro himself implies it, saying that attack is the reason everyone lost. Muzan only becomes much weaker when he realizes it and when Tanjiro also slows down. Initially, it's the same Muzan and Tanjiro is perfectly relative to him.

2nd Drug Muzan didn’t no-diff the Hashira, he fought them for an extended period of time (during which they repeatedly damaged him) before catching them off guard with an attack that Tanjiro himself attributes to a surprise attack based on his shapeshifting. Which should already be less effective given Tanjiro just witnessed, but also thanks to the fact that Muzan is actively tiring from every grandiose move thanks to the drugs. And Tanjiro also attributes him being further weakened by the Hashira’s efforts.

Tanjiro then proceeds to be saved by a blinded, poisoned, and crippled Obanai. He clearly isn’t superior to all the Hashira.

Gyomei doesn't have it like Tanjiro does, he can only sense it a bit like Tanjiro did in SSVA by smelling it. Tanjiro has a STW unlocked through his father's method, his stats have increased, and narratively his strength levels due to that breathing are superior to current swordsmen.

Gyomei also unlocked a significant stat boost against Long Sword Kokushibo, and Tanjiro’s TW remains similarly finicky.

 

[Machmatej]

Assuming both of these are healthy, Tanjiro should take it. Considering EOS Tanjiro was fighting as a half dead zombie

 

[KnyRaizn]

In terms of regeneration.

No, the scan clearly separates the two. There's a point, and then it says he has greater power than other demons, which grammatically can't refer solely to regeneration. Furthermore, it doesn't change much since in DS, the demons with the greatest regeneration are the strongest regardless.

Clearly not.

Yes instead, I explained it above

2nd Drug Muzan didn’t no-diff the Hashira, he fought them for an extended period of time (during which they repeatedly damaged him) before catching them off guard with an attack that Tanjiro himself attributes to a surprise attack based on his shapeshifting. Which should already be less effective given Tanjiro just witnessed, but also thanks to the fact that Muzan is actively tiring from every grandiose move thanks to the drugs. And Tanjiro also attributes him being further weakened by the Hashira’s efforts.

It was not offguard as u mean, it was offguard because the Hashira aren't expecting such an attack, which doesn't mean he's not faster and quicker than them, and that's also implied in the manga. Also because everyone was looking at Muzan... It's not possible that they didn't notice an attack coming at them or that more whips were being created.

Yes, it doesn't change the point anyway, Muzan was weakened in the long run, it doesn't change that he still easily slammed every hashira.

Tanjiro then proceeds to be saved by a blinded, poisoned, and crippled Obanai. He clearly isn’t superior to all the Hashira.

A tanjiro who was losing oxygen and bleeding constantly is not the tanjiro I am talking about.

Gyomei also unlocked a significant stat boost against Long Sword Kokushibo, and Tanjiro’s TW remains similarly finicky.

It's not a stats boost, also because it's not shown that Gyomei improves his breathing, as Kokushibo also says, Gyomei only feel it.

 

[Epyriel]

I’ll put aside the Muzan > UMs debate for now since it is derailing.

It was not offguard as u mean, it was offguard because the Hashira aren't expecting such an attack, which doesn't mean he's not faster and quicker than them, and that's also implied in the manga. Also because everyone was looking at Muzan... It's not possible that they didn't notice an attack coming at them or that more whips were being created.

Being surprised by an attack you don’t expect from an exceedingly usual technique based on shapeshifting opening new avenues of attack makes a significant and serious difference, regardless if you are looking at him or not. Tanjiro himself says as much.

There is a reason that fight went on for so long instead of Muzan just instantly blitzing everyone while he was even stronger if that is your narrative.

Yes, it doesn't change the point anyway, Muzan was weakened in the long run, it doesn't change that he still easily slammed every hashira.

Getting cut to pieces in a protracted battle is not ‘easily slamming’.

A tanjiro who was losing oxygen and bleeding constantly is not the tanjiro I am talking about.

And a blind, crippled, poisoned, bleeding, and disfigured Obanai wasn’t the one Gyomei was carrying.

This isn’t an argument. Obanai was more heavily injured and still relative with Tanjiro.

It's not a stats boost, also because it's not shown that Gyomei improves his breathing, as Kokushibo also says, Gyomei only feel it.

Gyomei pierced Kokushibo’s guard for the first time thanks to the boost from TW whereas before he couldn’t even get close.

 

[KnyRaizn]

I’ll put aside the Muzan > UMs debate for now since it is derailing.


Being surprised by an attack you don’t expect from an exceedingly usual technique based on shapeshifting opening new avenues of attack makes a significant and serious difference, regardless if you are looking at him or not. Tanjiro himself says as much.

Even Gyomei didn't expect Kokushibo to run into him, yet he reacted. Or when Kokushibo uses LS, he reacts. And in general, it's always been like that in DS. Just because you don't know an attack doesn't mean you can't dodge or defend yourself.

Getting cut to pieces in a protracted battle is not ‘easily slamming’.


And a blind, crippled, poisoned, bleeding, and disfigured Obanai wasn’t the one Gyomei was carrying.

This isn’t an argument. Obanai was more heavily injured and still relative with Tanjiro.

That Tanjiro isn't the Tanjiro I'm talking about. Otherwise, I'd also use Gyomei without oxygen. Tanjiro's strength was drastically declining, as you yourself demonstrated. You can't use it as a Debunk, that's a point that has nothing to do with what I demonstrated.

Gyomei pierced Kokushibo’s guard for the first time thanks to the boost from TW whereas before he couldn’t even get close.

Yeah well, it might be because he can understand and anticipate Kokushibo's attacks, no need to be faster phisically.

 

[Epyriel]

Even Gyomei didn't expect Kokushibo to run into him, yet he reacted. Or when Kokushibo uses LS, he reacts. And in general, it's always been like that in DS. Just because you don't know an attack doesn't mean you can't dodge or defend yourself.

Kokushibo wasn’t exactly growing new appendages to launch a surprise attack on top of his existing ones that Gyomei was already engaging.

Koksuhibo was the only thing Gyomei needed to focus on, attacked from across the room in a straight line, and still Gyomei barely reacted in time despite being relative.

You don’t get to just throw logic out the window, especially when this is an in-universe explanation of how the Hashira were defeated.

That Tanjiro isn't the Tanjiro I'm talking about. Otherwise, I'd also use Gyomei without oxygen. Tanjiro's strength was drastically declining, as you yourself demonstrated. You can't use it as a Debunk, that's a point that has nothing to do with what I demonstrated.

It has everything to do with it.

If Tanjiro ~ Obanai while both in a similar state, then they are simply relative, cut and dry.

It is not like I am saying Healthy Gyomei > Healthy Obanai > Injured Tanjiro.

I am saying:
Injured Obanai ~ Injured Tanjiro
-> Obanai ~ Tanjiro
Gyomei > Obanai
-> Gyomei > Tanjiro

Yeah well, it might be because he can understand and anticipate Kokushibo's attacks, no need to be faster phisically.

That is unlikely, they even seem to portray the same frame of the TW from both Gyomei’s and Muichiro’s perspective who definitely got a drastic speed boost.

 

[Catbowtie]

Voting Gyomei because of Epyriel’s reasons.

 

[KnyRaizn]

Kokushibo wasn’t exactly growing new appendages to launch a surprise attack on top of his existing ones that Gyomei was already engaging.

Koksuhibo was the only thing Gyomei needed to focus on, attacked from across the room in a straight line, and still Gyomei barely reacted in time despite being relative.

You don’t get to just throw logic out the window, especially when this is an in-universe explanation of how the Hashira were defeated.

Kokushibo was the only thing Gyomei had to focus on, and literally the same thing in the Muzan fight. Gyomei had his eyes on Muzan, like all the Hashira.

It has everything to do with it.

If Tanjiro ~ Obanai while both in a similar state, then they are simply relative, cut and dry.

It is not like I am saying Healthy Gyomei > Healthy Obanai > Injured Tanjiro.

No it doesn't make sense, you use a beaten Tanjiro to debunk my stuff when I took the feats of a Prime Tanjiro against Muzan, it's a completely different thing.

I am saying:
Injured Obanai ~ Injured Tanjiro
-> Obanai ~ Tanjiro
Gyomei > Obanai
-> Gyomei > Tanjiro


That is unlikely, they even seem to portray the same frame of the TW from both Gyomei’s and Muichiro’s perspective who definitely got a drastic speed boost.

What does it have to do with injured Tanjiro and injured obanai being relative? Are you saying that because they're in bad shape, they're at the same level in FP? No, it doesn't work that way, especially in DS, where it depends on the slayer's ability to breathe. Tanjiro might breathe poorly in that state, but he can do it much better than Obanai, having better FP stats.

 

[Epyriel]

Kokushibo was the only thing Gyomei had to focus on, and literally the same thing in the Muzan fight. Gyomei had his eyes on Muzan, like all the Hashira.

Muzan had like 9 back whips on top of his 2 extendable arms before growing 8 more thigh whips, all of which could attack independently.

No it doesn't make sense, you use a beaten Tanjiro to debunk my stuff when I took the feats of a Prime Tanjiro against Muzan, it's a completely different thing.

What does it have to do with injured Tanjiro and injured obanai being relative? Are you saying that because they're in bad shape, they're at the same level in FP? No, it doesn't work that way, especially in DS, where it depends on the slayer's ability to breathe. Tanjiro might breathe poorly in that state, but he can do it much better than Obanai, having better FP stats.

The idea that Tanjiro can be relative to Obanai when they are both injured (and arguably Obanai to a greater extent) but massively above him when they are both healthy is completely baseless.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

If I didn’t say anything yet I voted Tanjiro

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Would this be Tanjiro’s 13th Form?

 

[AigerTheKing]

Tanjiro FRA

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

After reading the entire CRT, I’ll give my honest opinion in a comment.

Tanjiro 13th Form solos with a SpeedBlitz.

When Muzan used his thigh whips for the first time, he SpeedBlitzed all the Demon Slayers who were fighting him—three Hashira-level (Zenitsu, Inosuke, and Kanao), two Marked (Sanemi and Tomioka), and two Marked with Transparent World (Obanai and Gyomei). Right after that, he tried to kill Kanao and was intercepted by Tanjiro, who up to that point was on the verge of death, having been the very first to be hit by Muzan’s cellular destruction in his eye near the brain, literally carrying a massive tumor on his face.

The two began to fight, and Tanjiro was hit by the same thigh whips as everyone else, along with suction, mini-tornadoes, and the rest of Muzan’s tentacles—all alone—and even so, he kept fighting for at least six minutes. During this fight, Tanjiro was getting weaker from overloading his body and taking constant injuries, while Muzan was being weakened by repeated strikes from the red blade + Sun Breathing for several minutes, on top of the heavy toll of the drugs.

Only after Tanjiro lost Transparent World and Selfless State, being extremely injured, did Obanai save him—against an already heavily weakened Muzan.

Considering all of this, Gyomei would be fighting someone who alone faced the same Muzan that SpeedBlitzed him and six other comrades, all without presence and while leaving afterimages.

Tanjiro SpeedBlitz No~Low Diff.

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

After reading the entire CRT, I’ll give my honest opinion in a comment.

Tanjiro 13th Form solos with a SpeedBlitz.

When Muzan used his thigh whips for the first time, he SpeedBlitzed all the Demon Slayers who were fighting him—three Hashira-level (Zenitsu, Inosuke, and Kanao), two Marked (Sanemi and Tomioka), and two Marked with Transparent World (Obanai and Gyomei). Right after that, he tried to kill Kanao and was intercepted by Tanjiro, who up to that point was on the verge of death, having been the very first to be hit by Muzan’s cellular destruction in his eye near the brain, literally carrying a massive tumor on his face.

The two began to fight, and Tanjiro was hit by the same thigh whips as everyone else, along with suction, mini-tornadoes, and the rest of Muzan’s tentacles—all alone—and even so, he kept fighting for at least six minutes. During this fight, Tanjiro was getting weaker from overloading his body and taking constant injuries, while Muzan was being weakened by repeated strikes from the red blade + Sun Breathing for several minutes, on top of the heavy toll of the drugs.

Only after Tanjiro lost Transparent World and Selfless State, being extremely injured, did Obanai save him—against an already heavily weakened Muzan.

Considering all of this, Gyomei would be fighting someone who alone faced the same Muzan that SpeedBlitzed him and six other comrades, all without presence and while leaving afterimages.

Tanjiro SpeedBlitz No~Low Diff.

Sorry for any grammatical mistakes, I’m not a fluent English speaker.

 

[Epyriel]

After reading the entire CRT, I’ll give my honest opinion in a comment.

Tanjiro 13th Form solos with a SpeedBlitz.

When Muzan used his thigh whips for the first time, he SpeedBlitzed all the Demon Slayers who were fighting him—three Hashira-level (Zenitsu, Inosuke, and Kanao), two Marked (Sanemi and Tomioka), and two Marked with Transparent World (Obanai and Gyomei). Right after that, he tried to kill Kanao and was intercepted by Tanjiro, who up to that point was on the verge of death, having been the very first to be hit by Muzan’s cellular destruction in his eye near the brain, literally carrying a massive tumor on his face.

The two began to fight, and Tanjiro was hit by the same thigh whips as everyone else, along with suction, mini-tornadoes, and the rest of Muzan’s tentacles—all alone—and even so, he kept fighting for at least six minutes. During this fight, Tanjiro was getting weaker from overloading his body and taking constant injuries, while Muzan was being weakened by repeated strikes from the red blade + Sun Breathing for several minutes, on top of the heavy toll of the drugs.
Considering all of this, Gyomei would be fighting someone who alone faced the same Muzan that SpeedBlitzed him and six other comrades, all without presence and while leaving afterimages.

Tanjiro SpeedBlitz No~Low Diff.

Putting aside the fact that speed is equalized for this match,

2nd Drug Muzan never blitzed the Hashira, he fought them for an extended period of time (during which they repeatedly damaged him) before catching them off guard with what Tanjiro himself attributes to a surprise attack based on his shapeshifting.
Which should already be less effective given Tanjiro just witnessed it, but also thanks to the fact that Muzan is actively tiring from every grandiose move thanks to the drugs. And Tanjiro also attributes him being further weakened by the Hashira’s efforts, meaning the 2nd Drug Muzan Tanjiro fights by himself is significantly weaker than the one fighting the Hashira at the beginning.

Not to mention the fact that the Hashira and even the non-Hashira fighters did react to the attack, with Inosuke later noting that the Hashira protected the non-Hashira fighters.

Only after Tanjiro lost Transparent World and Selfless State, being extremely injured, did Obanai save him—against an already heavily weakened Muzan.

Tanjiro needed to be saved by a blinded, poisoned, and crippled Obanai who had also lost access to the Transparent World due to injuries. He clearly isn’t superior to all the Hashira, he’s not even getting much beyond Obanai.

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

I hadn't seen it, it will take me a while to respond due to lack of internet,...my imgurs aren't saving

And even writing in English is buggy...

 

[Arkansalter2]

Eu não tinha visto, vou demorar um pouco para responder devido à falta de internet,...meus imgurs não estão salvando

English, fella.

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

English, fella.

Thanks for letting me know!

 

[JoeDM021]

Tanjiro FRA

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

English, fella.

Do you have vote

 

[AppleMaker]

Gyomei FRA

 

[Shadowslaya!]

Gyomei FRA.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

@Epyriel when i vote tanjiro with this video fr fr

 

[Catbowtie]

7 seconds in and it's already spouting nonsense

 

[Assassin]

Tanjiro Kamado Vs Gyomei Himejima

Speed is equalized
Gyomei starts off in Mark
Sunrise Countdown Tanjiro is used
Both are bloodlusted
Fight takes place in Akaza's waterfall arena from Movie 1

Fight OST:


Tanjiro Kamado: @NikHelton @KnyRaizn @CastoriceTheFifth @Machmatej @AigerTheKing @OiEuSouDuvi @JoeDM021

Gyomei Himejima: @Epyriel @Kavopaco @Robo432343 @Catbowtie @AppleMaker @Shadowslaya!

Speed being equalized really shuts down any possibility Tanjiro has. That's the only thing he can be argued above Gyomei in. Every other important stat like strength, durability, BIQ, etc go to Gyomei.

Gyomei wins low-mid diff

 

[Shadowslash125]

I'll see myself in the incon vote pile since there's no shifting of uneven votes.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

you can't vote incon because both characters are capable of defeating one another

Do it anyways

 

[Shadowslash125]

you can't vote incon because both characters are capable of defeating one another

Wait, doesn't that in turn just become an incon? I assumed incon also meant that it's a tossup between who can defeat who.