Undyne's danmaku isn't that crazy at first tho. Maybe he can hold his own while using his summons to aid himself?
Ah hell no she’s definitely not dodging HotK’s strikes lol. He can tag Beheaded, that is nearly equivalent to hitting someone with rain dodging skillwank bs or whatever.
Fair but what would he do when she does utilize her danmaku? He summons only like 5 jobbers at once so they'd get shreaded by danmaku too
If ur refering to the acid can feat that's danmaku confined to a smaller area in a much bigger environment making it far from actual rain dodging since all he has to do is roll around it which is whats assumed anyway everytime you roll to dodge an attack.
They don't necessarily need to carry the fight for HotK (not like they'd be able to anyway). Just being able to help him block the spears more easily is enough, especially since he knows he'll die in exactly 4 hits here (plus he can just summon more after the current horde gets shredded). And again, Undyne's danmaku is only decent, and having more enemies means she has to divide all of her bullet hells between them, while also trying to dodge or block their attacks.
Yeah that’s why I said "nearly", should I bold it for you? It can be confined to a smaller area, yet still large enough overall to force him to actually dodge through it, rather than just moving to the side and whatnot, which I assume is what you're claiming. And there are similar feats showing he can’t simply 'move around to evade' like you said.
The enemies themselves are significantly less durable and would die even quicker so this isn't a setback long term (especially when he has no way to abuse this)
How would it be "nearly" when that's literally all he has to do? What suggests the attack is big enough to where he can't just roll to the side to dodge the entire thing?
Which are?
Undyne can turn the fodder into bloodstains pretty quickly yeah, but the Elites are decently tough. They can still be used effectively to buy time. And i dunno, he kinda can abuse it? Like, unless you think he’s literally only able to summon them once per phase because of a game mechanic, there’s no reason he wouldn’t keep summoning after each horde is gone, it’s one of the very few things he can actually do to avoid getting his soul obliterated.
Because he literally can’t just walk to the side? It’s an attack that’s going to press him into a corner, and he has no choice but to dodge forward duh. I guess you could make an argument about it being 2D and that in actuality he moves to the side to evade it so there’s that.
What’s shown in the profile, plus the times he dodged Death’s AoE moves, and he can also parry ******* explosions.
How would they tank that much hits when they don't resist soul hax tho? (granted ut soul hax still half relies on dura but their durability and endurance downscale from a guy who we've already established will die in 4 hits)
you would still have to prove his summoning works in a way to where he could spam summon them
The attack is approaching him at a decent speed ofc he has to move quickly to the side to dodge it which would making things like rolling and dashing more efficient
Then i can just refute it by pointing out how it being a general dodge animation does nothing beyond suggesting he usually dodges attacks in that manner making it a bit fallacious because you'd have to prove he's legitimately dodging this for this to be applicable
you mean this? The attack has a second of delay and gaps more than big enough for him to dodge it through rolling.
Parrying explosions isn't a skill feat without added context
I mean I thought that by saying ‘die even quicker’ you were implying they’d all go down in fewer than that four hits. But you (finally) pointed that out now so whatever.
You can force him to summon again ingame if you cheese his health bar too fast, but yeah ingame slop. Still, judging by how effortlessly he does the summons, I’ve got nothing else to say except that you’re kinda falling into that burden of proof territory.
). Wait for an actual Dead Cells debater to argue for this ig (there are none)
if we're using this then undyne would still kill him eventually
What i'm basically asking is what suggests this skill feat is rain dodging? What can he do to abuse his summons acting as meat sheilds for him? Bop doesn't really effect my stance since i'm putting your arguments into question and you haven't answered anything yet
Indie games that arent mega iconic usually don't recieve alot of traction so one can only hope igOther than that, I’ve got nothing else to say really (my feet joke got ruined
Don't forget that Undyne has that "You can't move now but you get a shield in only one direction" move too.
The pacifst fight, the first thing she does is turn our soul green
Thats after you've been running away from her while she shoots a bunch of spears at you
