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Izuku Midoriya (Deku) Vs Monster King Orochi (MHA Vs One Punch Man) [17-3-2]

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Izuku Midoriya Vs Orochi

Final War Arc 100% Deku will be used
Attack Potency: 2.54 Exatons, 12.71 Exatons with Fa Jin
Durability: 2.54 Exatons
Lifting Strength: Class P (368,664,600,041,798 Metric Tons)

True Form Orochi will be used

Attack Potency: 5.68 Exatons
Durability: 5.68 Exatons
Lifting Strength: Class P (3,784,396,970,000 Metric Tons)

Speed is equalized
Fight takes place in Kamino Ward

Lore: Some time after defeating The Dominator Of The Universe Lord Boros, Izuku hears reports of "The Monster King" near Kamino Ward and believing it to be either All For One alone or some High End Nomu, rushes over to location since it's thankfully evacuated at this time only to find Orochi. He didn't look like any Nomu he knew but his danger sense was going crazy, gearing up to take down this monster by any means necessary.


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Fight OST:


One For All Hero: @Shadowslaya! @Johner2133451 @SeijiSetto @CastoriceTheFifth @Kingofwolves999 @XSOULOFCINDERX @Arkansalter2 @Anonymous_Learner @STOPAUTOFARMING @EnderLord8 @Spinoirr @Purgy @Inferno3054 @Bruhtelho @Robo432343 @Kavopaco @MrTayman616
Monster King: @Raiden38 @Kachon123 @CBslayeR
Mineta/Kota: @Kazuma_kuwabara @Voidnether
 
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What can Deku do against Technique Mimicry?
There's like high-mid regeneration and elasticity, idk how Deku is going to pull this off. Maybe through LS or something but I mean couldn't Orochi just escape due to its elasticity?
 
Yeah I don't see how Deku can keep Orochi down? Once Orochi gets hit with a blitz once, he'd simply adapt and create his own version and apply it to his hundreds of dragon heads.
 
What can Deku do against Technique Mimicry?
There's like high-mid regeneration and elasticity, idk how Deku is going to pull this off. Maybe through LS or something but I mean couldn't Orochi just escape due to its elasticity?
High mid regeneration is through absorption. He did this to slowly regenerate from when Saitama blasted him into bits. He wouldn’t be able to copy what Deku is doing either since quirks are biological. What Orochi would be copying is something like Deku’s shoot style fighting style which pretty much useless against his quirks. Deku also has soul manipulation and it worked on Shigaraki who had like 2 different soul resistances. Even if Orochi escapes black whip through elasticity, nothing stops him from launching blackwhip again. Fa Jin also gets him even higher than 12.71 exatons. 5x is just the bare minimum. He was stated to being capable of one shotting Shigaraki and leaving nothing of him behind with just Fa Jin while injured. Becomes even higher when combined with Gear shift to go 120% so bare minimum Orochi is getting blasted into bits.
 
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Anything he does at all also charges up Fa Jin. He would also do this or just any abnormally large air punch like the one he did to clear the storms from Japan to the United States. (Unironically the barrage he did here would also charge it up)
 
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Anything he does at all also charges up Fa Jin. He would also do this or just any abnormally large air punch like the one he did to clear the storms from Japan to the United States. (Unironically the barrage he did here would also charge it up)

I don't see how this doesn't just get WSRSF'd?
 
Deku also can't win using fa jin via being the slower one, via being mach 10 at max via author statements, the verse should update it fr fr
Gear Shift doesn’t fall under author statement, MFTL justification here we come.

Anyway yes, Deku activates Gear Shift and blows Orochi in half with >12.71 exaton punch spam while Orochi is completely incapable of doing anything at all since he can’t even perceive Deku to hit him from the speed difference.

Regen requires him to absorb you, his fighting techniques and mimicry don’t matter when he’s getting stat checked and Deku can soul destroy him even if he resists it (assuming he needs to when he can reduce Orochi to a puddle of sludge with no one to absorb to come back from).

Deku is a stat check that Orochi has no means of overcoming before he gets punched to pulp.
 
Deku also can't win using fa jin via being the slower one, via being mach 10 at max via author statements, the verse should update it fr fr
Bro this made me check the versus thread rules page to see if speed equalize is referring to travel speed and not combat speed LMAO

Wank as per usual
I’m just going by his ap justification
 
Orochi can mutate via monsterization.
I don’t know how and why he would be able to copy Deku’s quirks and it’s functionality because of this.
Oh my god, I'm so tired of the Deku spam....
I made a Goku Vs Akaza thread and it graced in 12 messages. I made Loid Vs Yor thread and it’s thirsting for interactions. Want the Ichigo vs Star Rail gauntlet back.
I don't see how this doesn't just get WSRSF'd?
I mean if he’s not using gear shift or fa Jin sure.
 
Gear Shift doesn’t fall under author statement, MFTL justification here we come.

Anyway yes, Deku activates Gear Shift and blows Orochi in half with >12.71 exaton punch spam while Orochi is completely incapable of doing anything at all since he can’t even perceive Deku to hit him from the speed difference.

Regen requires him to absorb you, his fighting techniques and mimicry don’t matter when he’s getting stat checked and Deku can soul destroy him even if he resists it (assuming he needs to when he can reduce Orochi to a puddle of sludge with no one to absorb to come back from).

Deku is a stat check that Orochi has no means of overcoming before he gets punched to pulp.
What are you talking about? Deku is NOT powerful enough to blow Orochi apart, and even when reduced to mush he retains vast amounts of power.

There's no proof that Deku would be capable of blitzing Orochi. Orochi is considered a master Martial Artist superior to the likes of Gouketsu, Iaian, Gouketsu, etc. These are characters with senses able to predict several moves in the future of targets as well as being able to predict and counter the trajectory of 33,334 individual attacks with their eyes closed. Now multiply this a hundredfold thanks to Orochi's danmaku dragon heads that each have their own eyes to see and predict Deku move.

No matter the potency of soul hax or power that Deku's attacks have, if they can't land their mark, it won't do anything. Each and every single one of Orochi's dragon heads can use the Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist, which is a martial arts style capable of reflecting attacks far more powerful that the user themselves and dish it back with 2x the force, which would be 25.42 Exatons (enough to one-shot someone of Deku's durability). Now stack on durability negating slicing shockwaves with massive AoE.

Any quirk ability Deku throws would just integrate into Orochi's biology, allowing him to produce a superior version in terms of power and speed. For example, after getting hit by Fa Jin once, each of Orochi's heads would be able to use a faster and stronger version of it.

Orochi can also shoot heat blasts that would likely melt Deku on contact as they scale above the heat of Electric Catfish Man and Vacuuma's natural lightning.

And if by some chance Deku can deal enough damage to Orochi in a single instance to blow him apart, Orochi's remains still have instant-win properties:
Meaning that if even one of Orochi's remains splatter and touch Deku, the fight ends.
 
Based on Kachon's analysis, seems like Orochi's got the higher wincons here. Waiting for counter-arguments, since Deku also has Analytical Prediction and Extrasensory Perception (although IMO isn't good enough for how Kachon has described Orochi's own analytical predictions).

Just one thing...
Orochi can also shoot heat blasts that would likely melt Deku on contact as they scale above the heat of Electric Catfish Man and Vacuuma's natural lightning.
...Deku has survived getting hit by natural lightning while at 8% or 20%. He has other heat resistance feats from Explosion and Flashfire Fist. So I don't believe this counts as a wincon.

Deku's resistance to mind manipulation and soul manipulation may also shield him from the mind/soul hax.
 
...Deku has survived getting hit by natural lightning while at 8% or 20%. He has other heat resistance feats from Explosion and Flashfire Fist. So I don't believe this counts as a wincon.

Deku's resistance to mind manipulation and soul manipulation may also shield him from the mind/soul hax.
Fair on the heat resistance, though Orochi's blasts still have AP. Getting hit with enough Danmaku for it to be compared to the human brain’s neural network will definitely hurt Deku.

Orochi's mind and soul hax works in tandem/through biological absorption so if Deku doesn't resist that, I don't think he's surviving.
 
Yes, I just specifically pointed out the heat resistance and mind/soul hax. The AP and biohax are still fair game.
 
I thought you were just being facetious earlier, but you actually don't seem to have anything meaningful to say in the thread.
Drop it.
Having a two times ap advantage= being an stat check or getting blasted to bits is literally wanking the character, which is what happens with Deku in all of his fights right now

So no, I am not dropping it
 
Izuku Midoriya Vs Orochi

Final War Arc 100% Deku will be used
Attack Potency: 2.54 Exatons, 12.71 Exatons with Fa Jin
Durability: 2.54 Exatons
Lifting Strength: Class P (368,664,600,041,798 Metric Tons)

True Form Orochi will be used

Attack Potency: 5.68 Exatons
Durability: 5.68 Exatons
Lifting Strength: Class P (3,784,396,970,000 Metric Tons)

Speed is equalized
Fight takes place in Kamino Ward


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Fight OST:


One For All Hero:
Monster King:
Mineta:

Mineta no-diffs both with the mighty power of his balls (idk the winner)
 
What are you talking about? Deku is NOT powerful enough to blow Orochi apart, and even when reduced to mush he retains vast amounts of power.

There's no proof that Deku would be capable of blitzing Orochi. Orochi is considered a master Martial Artist superior to the likes of Gouketsu, Iaian, Gouketsu, etc. These are characters with senses able to predict several moves in the future of targets as well as being able to predict and counter the trajectory of 33,334 individual attacks with their eyes closed. Now multiply this a hundredfold thanks to Orochi's danmaku dragon heads that each have their own eyes to see and predict Deku move.

No matter the potency of soul hax or power that Deku's attacks have, if they can't land their mark, it won't do anything. Each and every single one of Orochi's dragon heads can use the Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist, which is a martial arts style capable of reflecting attacks far more powerful that the user themselves and dish it back with 2x the force, which would be 25.42 Exatons (enough to one-shot someone of Deku's durability). Now stack on durability negating slicing shockwaves with massive AoE.

Any quirk ability Deku throws would just integrate into Orochi's biology, allowing him to produce a superior version in terms of power and speed. For example, after getting hit by Fa Jin once, each of Orochi's heads would be able to use a faster and stronger version of it.

Orochi can also shoot heat blasts that would likely melt Deku on contact as they scale above the heat of Electric Catfish Man and Vacuuma's natural lightning.

And if by some chance Deku can deal enough damage to Orochi in a single instance to blow him apart, Orochi's remains still have instant-win properties:

Meaning that if even one of Orochi's remains splatter and touch Deku, the fight ends.
Overdrive attacks, while Deku is holding back to not kill, punch holes through and tears the limbs off of people superior to himself. Shigaraki with his adaptive growth specifically designed to completely neg attacks that were previously harming him got a hole punched through his chest by an Overdrive attack. Orochi’s stat difference is not exactly saving him from the damage Deku is causing him.

Everyone here seems to be under the assumption that Deku is hitting Orochi with 12.72 exatons. That is incorrect. Fa Jin alone is what gets Deku to 12.72 Exatons. Gearshift by itself provides a strength amp alongside the speed amp, and he then combined the two together to create attacks that can blow limbs off while not even building up max energy.

Orochi’s durability is only 2x higher than the Prime All Might value that Deku was crushing easily while holding back, and already scales above due to the feat he’s scaling from being when he was severely tired and at the absolute dregs of his energy. Nothing about Orochi implies that he has the durability to not get holes punched in him just like Shigaraki did.

42.37 petatons from Weakened, dying, OFA embers Deku << Base Full Cowl <60x< 100% Deku <5x< Fa Jin << Fa Jin + Gearshift

Evolved Shigaraki is already surpassing the 2.54 exatons value with his durability to literally reject all damage to himself and Deku with just Gearshift beat his ass then punched a hole through him with Gearshift + Fa Jin. Orochi’s durability being 2x a value that Deku stomps out of existence casually and already scales above heavily is not impressive. He is getting holes punched through him just like Evolved Shigaraki, and that was all Deku holding back because he wanted to save Shigaraki from his personal beliefs.

As for the absorption, Deku can spawn Blackwhip from inside his body to remove the gunk or he just doesn’t let it touch him. When he punches, the holes he leaves are clean cut created by the subsequent comparable wind pressure that blows everything away, and he is moving wildly faster than Orochi can keep up with in the first place to let bits of his opponent touch him.

Where is it shown that Orochi can copy biological abilities just from being touched by them? He can copy every single facet of your being from getting punched once? Where is that shown? His technique mimicry is the only thing on his profile that implies he copies anything, and that extends solely to martial arts. Quirks are not martial arts, that’s like claiming Orochi can copy Deku’s hair color and turn into a perfect clone of him if Deku so much as touches him. Can Orochi copy Tatsumaki’s telekinesis if she touched him?

Also Deku wears gloves so Orochi isn’t even touching him in the first place to copy his biology, unless it works over clothing and when his body is getting punched across the battlefield with gaping holes left behind.

Deku resists heat on that level in a far weaker key.

If your win condition is on the basis that Deku will allow some part of Orochi to touch him when he is blitzing Orochi so hard that Orochi doesn’t even know what’s happening, then that doesn’t seem solid to me. Orochi cannot copy his abilities, they are not martial arts, and even assuming a small bit of Orochi gets onto Deku, he rips it out of himself via Blackwhip strands inside his body and he’ll act fast because Danger Sense will alert him that something on his body is attacking him. His Blackwhip strands are also gearshift boosted so he can remove any part of Orochi from his body faster than Orochi can perceive. Again, assuming any bits of Orochi get on him when that has never been an issue for Deku prior thanks to his speed.
 
Deku with a fully charged Fa Jin + gear shift and intent to kill > Heavily battle injured Deku with only Fa Jin can completely destroy Adapted Shigaraki in one shot and leave nothing of him left behind if fully charged > Deku 120% blasts a hole into Defensive Shigaraki > Deku 100% with only Fa Jin (12.71 exatons) = Defensive reactive evolution Shigaraki with his durability to literally reject all damage to himself + regeneration > Completed Shigaraki (2.54 Exatons).
 
Orochi>>> Orochi from one piece>>>Orochi King of the Fighters>>>Orochi from myths>>>Deku with a fully charged Fa Jin + gear shift and intent to kill > Heavily battle injured Deku with only Fa Jin can completely destroy Adapted Shigaraki in one shot and leave nothing of him left behind if fully charged > Deku 120% blasts a hole into Defensive Shigaraki > Deku 100% with only Fa Jin (12.71 exatons) = Defensive reactive evolution Shigaraki with his durability to literally reject all damage to himself + regeneration > Completed Shigaraki (2.54 Exatons).
 
We're not talking about in verse stuff here. On the wiki the one shot gap is 7.5 times. Unless deku is above that I'm not about to believe he is one shotting orochi
 
Orochi>>> Orochi from one piece>>>Orochi King of the Fighters>>>Orochi from myths>>>Deku with a fully charged Fa Jin + gear shift and intent to kill > Heavily battle injured Deku with only Fa Jin can completely destroy Adapted Shigaraki in one shot and leave nothing of him left behind if fully charged > Deku 120% blasts a hole into Defensive Shigaraki > Deku 100% with only Fa Jin (12.71 exatons) = Defensive reactive evolution Shigaraki with his durability to literally reject all damage to himself + regeneration > Completed Shigaraki (2.54 Exatons).
Mineta > Deku with a fully charged Fa Jin + gear shift and intent to kill > Heavily battle injured Deku with only Fa Jin can completely destroy Adapted Shigaraki in one shot and leave nothing of him left behind if fully charged > Deku 120% blasts a hole into Defensive Shigaraki > Deku 100% with only Fa Jin (12.71 exatons) = Defensive reactive evolution Shigaraki with his durability to literally reject all damage to himself + regeneration > Completed Shigaraki (2.54 Exatons) > Orochi>>> Orochi from one piece>>>Orochi King of the Fighters>>>Orochi from myths.
 
Overdrive attacks, while Deku is holding back to not kill, punch holes through and tears the limbs off of people superior to himself. Shigaraki with his adaptive growth specifically designed to completely neg attacks that were previously harming him got a hole punched through his chest by an Overdrive attack. Orochi’s stat difference is not exactly saving him from the damage Deku is causing him.

Everyone here seems to be under the assumption that Deku is hitting Orochi with 12.72 exatons. That is incorrect. Fa Jin alone is what gets Deku to 12.72 Exatons. Gearshift by itself provides a strength amp alongside the speed amp, and he then combined the two together to create attacks that can blow limbs off while not even building up max energy.

Orochi’s durability is only 2x higher than the Prime All Might value that Deku was crushing easily while holding back, and already scales above due to the feat he’s scaling from being when he was severely tired and at the absolute dregs of his energy. Nothing about Orochi implies that he has the durability to not get holes punched in him just like Shigaraki did.

42.37 petatons from Weakened, dying, OFA embers Deku << Base Full Cowl <60x< 100% Deku <5x< Fa Jin << Fa Jin + Gearshift

Evolved Shigaraki is already surpassing the 2.54 exatons value with his durability to literally reject all damage to himself and Deku with just Gearshift beat his ass then punched a hole through him with Gearshift + Fa Jin. Orochi’s durability being 2x a value that Deku stomps out of existence casually and already scales above heavily is not impressive. He is getting holes punched through him just like Evolved Shigaraki, and that was all Deku holding back because he wanted to save Shigaraki from his personal beliefs.

As for the absorption, Deku can spawn Blackwhip from inside his body to remove the gunk or he just doesn’t let it touch him. When he punches, the holes he leaves are clean cut created by the subsequent comparable wind pressure that blows everything away, and he is moving wildly faster than Orochi can keep up with in the first place to let bits of his opponent touch him.

Where is it shown that Orochi can copy biological abilities just from being touched by them?
1. Overdrive punch holes to people superior to deku? Nobody in the verse is superior to deku so I don't even get this statement. Care to explain? And no one is claiming orochi wouldn't get harmed by deku's attacks. We and the wiki just don't think a 2times difference is what you're making it out to be.

2. So he scales> 2 times to an unknown degree. That doesn't change the argument much. You keep repeating this blowing limbs up even while you know everyone he blew up is weaker than orochi. Your argument doesn't make much sense to me. Someone 2+ times weaker than orochi got holes blown in them and as such orochi who is stronger will have the same fate? Like yeah someone about 5times weaker than deku will most definitely have holes in them. That's pretty close to the one shot gap. That's not the same as a 2 times gap.




3. You can't resist it like that. I'm pretty sure it attacks you on a cellular level but I'll leave that to opm experts.

Also his copying is based on his monsterization which is biological so that's why the argument for copying quirks is possible
 
so are scaling chains just to be ignored then? i do not understand your position here
Deku is stronger. I just don't believe a 2 times gap amount to the splitting in half or leaving holes in them that others are saying. Orochi still gets damaged sure but it's not something he can't deal with
 
Deku is stronger. I just don't believe a 2 times gap amount to the splitting in half or leaving holes in them that others are saying. Orochi still gets damaged sure but it's not something he can't deal with
the point being made is that Deku's base already scales above his numerical value, the 5x is PURELY Fa Jin alone, combining that with Gearshift is another even higher buff
 
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