Grace [0-0-7] Baba vs Reinhard Van Astrea

[Nonynho]

Disclaimer - I intended this match thinking of an incon, like both characters, any of them winning is very nice

Rules:
No DUST for Baba, no Reid for Reinhard, Baba physically is considered 9-B, not 4C
4km is the starting distance, speed is equal
Baba starts being himself only, has access to all his optional equipment (and the resistances they give), the rule that gives him type 4 Immo and BABA IS YOU behind WALLs and 10s of prep time with no prior knowledge

Spoiler: Rules active on the start

BABA HAS BABA
WORD IS SWAP
ENEMY IS DEFEAT
ROCK IS PUSH
BABA IS YOU
WALL IS STOP

Baba:

Reinhard:

Incon: noninho, Laxxius, Johner2133451, Arkansalter2, Naito-desu, MysticBrawler, Ixasaga

 

[Nonynho]

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[Arkansalter2]

Can't baba use "Baba is hide" then do "Baba is win" and just "win"??

 

[Nonynho]

Well, he has to move the rules and this takes a bit of time
AFAIK/IIRC you have to reach what is win, so BABA IS WIN wont work, but I have to check

 

[Arkansalter2]

Rein has a bunch of anti-hax.
1. How does he lose this?
2. How is he losing matches? (Prolly bc most of his matches are a mismatch / stomp for him).

 

[Nonynho]

1. How does he lose this?

Depends on the creativity of both sides

Basically we can Plato & Socrates our way to how they win against the other
And they start with their respective unavoidable Type 4 Immos.

I think the main strength for Baba in this case is because he's not using magic cuz Reinhard is natural and instantly amazing at nullifying them, normally. The words start on a way that makes him unable to move them (and I don't think will be able to do this), so the only way Baba wins here is if he gets enough time to do like WALL IS WIN or something alike before Rein's instincts get him brutalized in a microsecond.

I'm very comfortable that it's either incon or Baba, 99,9% incon

 

[AThe1412]

Why is "REINHARD IS DEFEAT" a rule? He can already oneshot Baba with a sneeze. Also, what does "WORD IS SWAP" do?

Can't baba use "Baba is hide" then do "Baba is win" and just "win"??

Reinhard can see things with layered invisibility.

 

[Nonynho]

Why is "REINHARD IS DEFEAT"

It's usually how his levels work, pointing out the opposing characters as DEFEAT

He can already oneshot Baba with a sneeze.

Being DEFEAT doesn't change your capabilities, only some adjectives or nouns change how you work
Being DEFEAT tells Baba that touching you will kill him

Also, what does "WORD IS SWAP" do?

X IS SWAP is a condition that makes you tp to other instance of X, without properly doing anything to it
Meaning Baba and Reinhard can't touch the words at the start of the battle

 

[AThe1412]

X IS SWAP is a condition that makes you tp to other instance of X, without properly doing anything to it
Meaning Baba and Reinhard can't touch the words at the start of the battle

Then how does Baba do anything if he can't touch the words? And like... Wouldn't this rule just work once then immediately cancel itself out the moment it is formed because "WORD IS SWAP" is a group of words touching each other?... I don't know, I have no idea how all of this works.

 

[Nonynho]

Then how does Baba do anything if he can't touch the words? And like... Wouldn't this rule just work once then immediately cancel itself out the moment it is formed because "WORD IS SWAP" is a group of words touching each other?... I don't know, I have no idea how all of this works.

1-if there isn't anything saying otherwise, rocks are pushable by default, and pushing rocks up on the words to change a rule that is not benefiting Baba atm is a common strategy to solve the puzzles.

2-if the words touch themselves, they don't swap, cuz SWAP is about Baba or Reinhard touching any word while the rule is active.

Not being petty, it's an actual recommendation (both cuz it's a cool game and for you to understand how his powers work) to throw "Baba Is You" at YouTube that I'm making rn

 

[Nonynho]

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[SatellaTheWoE]

This feels like an inside joke I am not part of

 

[Nonynho]

This feels like an inside joke I am not part of

The only stressing/ hard to understand thing involving Baba is when you're trying to solve some puzzles cuz the can get hard af
Throw Baba is You in YouTube and you can get a pretty decent grasp of what's going on

I'd love I'd this match was incon

 

[Nonynho]

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Will add myself as an incon voter

 

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[Laxxius]

Hello I'm the resident baba expert here (I guess). I can try to respond to a few things

Can't baba use "Baba is hide" then do "Baba is win" and just "win"??

I consider WIN as just a game mechanic rather than an ability, but I guess you could interpret it that way. Indeed if baba makes BABA IS WIN, then baba wins the level (as long as BABA IS YOU)

It's usually how his levels work, pointing out the opposing characters as DEFEAT

Being DEFEAT doesn't change your capabilities, only some adjectives or nouns change how you work
Being DEFEAT tells Baba that touching you will kill him


X IS SWAP is a condition that makes you tp to other instance of X, without properly doing anything to it
Meaning Baba and Reinhard can't touch the words at the start of the battle

I'm philosophically opposed to making any sentient characters DEFEAT unless it means they get killed (or are immune to the fact that this should kill you), but there's no precedence for this so whatever. Being DEFEAT does change your capabilities. If you're DEFEAT, you will automatically destroy any YOU objects that come into contact with you. Finally, that is not what X IS SWAP does. SWAP's effect is so weird i'd just ignore it in casual baba conversation lol.

1-if there isn't anything saying otherwise, rocks are pushable by default, and pushing rocks up on the words to change a rule that is not benefiting Baba atm is a common strategy to solve the puzzles.

rocks are not pushable by default. Nothing in Baba is anything by default (except the very laws of reality which are the text blocks you can push around) ((and some other things but dont worry about it))

Spoiler: Rules active on the start

BABA HAS BABA
WORD IS SWAP
REINHARD IS DEFEAT

if there is no BABA IS YOU, baba can't do anything. WORD IS SWAP is an invalid rule (so it does nothing), and ill ignore the last rule.

 

[Nonynho]

I'm philosophically opposed to making any sentient characters DEFEAT unless it means they get killed (or are immune to the fact that this should kill you), but there's no precedence for this so whatever. Being DEFEAT does change your capabilities. If you're DEFEAT, you will automatically destroy any YOU objects that come into contact with you.

That was the intent, since DEFEAT is not making Reinhard weaker or something, so putting there or taking it off makes no real difference

Finally, that is not what X IS SWAP does. SWAP's effect is so weird i'd just ignore it in casual baba conversation lol.

That's both how I remember it and how my research returned me that it works
How does it work then? I wanna make both Baba and Reinhard uncapable of touching the words directly at start cuz it would make it easier to just winning, and SINK could make it way too hard I think

rocks are not pushable by default.

My bad, adding that and BABA IS YOU to the rules

WORD IS SWAP is an invalid rule (so it does nothing), and ill ignore the last rule.

You can ignore it; why does it not work?

 

[Laxxius]

You can ignore it; why does it not work?

you probably mixed up WORD and TEXT. WORD is a property that can be applied to things. You (perhaps sadly) cannot apply the property of SWAP to the property of WORD. You can apply SWAP to TEXT, though, making the text SWAP.

That's both how I remember it and how my research returned me that it works
How does it work then? I wanna make both Baba and Reinhard uncapable of touching the words directly at start cuz it would make it easier to just winning, and SINK could make it way too hard I think

if an object is SWAP, it gains the ability to swap places with adjacent objects. This can be done either by the SWAP object itself (assuming it can move), or one of the adjacent objects (even if they aren't SWAP, and assuming they can move). To give some examples, let's say BABA IS SWAP and WALL IS STOP. If baba runs into a wall, instead of being stopped at the wall, baba and the wall will swap places. Another example: Let's say FLAG IS SWAP, and BABA IS MOVE, and baba is moving towards the flag. Rather than coming into contact with the flag, once baba is adjacent to the flag, baba and flag will swap places when baba next moves.

You probably mixed up SWAP with TELE, based on your description. If you want neither of them to be able to move the text around, you can do TEXT IS NOT PUSH, which actually works

 

[Arkansalter2]

An actual baba supporter.

 

[Nonynho]

you probably mixed up WORD and TEXT. WORD is a property that can be applied to things. You (perhaps sadly) cannot apply the property of SWAP to the property of WORD. You can apply SWAP to TEXT, though, making the text SWAP.

if an object is SWAP, it gains the ability to swap places with adjacent objects. This can be done either by the SWAP object itself (assuming it can move), or one of the adjacent objects (even if they aren't SWAP, and assuming they can move). To give some examples, let's say BABA IS SWAP and WALL IS STOP. If baba runs into a wall, instead of being stopped at the wall, baba and the wall will swap places. Another example: Let's say FLAG IS SWAP, and BABA IS MOVE, and baba is moving towards the flag. Rather than coming into contact with the flag, once baba is adjacent to the flag, baba and flag will swap places when baba next moves.

You probably mixed up SWAP with TELE, based on your description. If you want neither of them to be able to move the text around, you can do TEXT IS NOT PUSH, which actually works

I think I'll make TEXT IS TELE, what about it?
I'd like to give this edge to BABA cuz Reinhard will take 0.0001 second to discover that the words control the rules, so giving this difficulty that BABA deals better would be nice imo

 

[Laxxius]

I think I'll make TEXT IS TELE, what about it?
I'd like to give this edge to BABA cuz Reinhard will take 0.0001 second to discover that the words control the rules, so giving this difficulty that BABA deals better would be nice imo

TEXT IS TELE will have very weird results. If TEXT IS TELE, you can still push text. X IS TELE just makes you tp to other instance of X if you walk on top of X.