The Raijin Whip! Kai (Ninjago) vs Ryukendo

[Minaaaa]

Kai is at 267.32 Quettatons & 2673.2 Quettatons with Rising Dragon
Ryukendo is at 1336.6 Quettatons

Rules:
Kai is in Post Releasement key
Ryukendo is in God Ryukendo key
Speed is equalized
Starting Distance: 8m
SBA otherwise


Kai: @Ebihara, @AigerTheKing, @Arkansalter2, @Lloydblitzed, @Shadowslash125, @ReallySwagGuy, @Johner2133451
Ryukendo:
Incon:

 

[Lloydblitzed]

So Ryu can pretty more shock Kai to death via Lightning, while Kai can flame him to death/overpower with RDT. How skilled is Ryu?

 

[Minaaaa]

So Ryu can pretty more shock Kai to death via Lightning, while Kai can flame him to death/overpower with RDT. How skilled is Ryu?

He doesnt start with lighting, he starts in base and uses whatever would be needed to counter (would most likely be blizzard or lightning in this case). Hes less skilled than kai so kai has the skill advantage. How long can Kai use RDT for?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

He doesnt start with lighting, he starts in base and uses whatever would be needed to counter (would most likely be blizzard or lightning in this case).

With his Absolute Zero right?

Hes less skilled than kai so kai has the skill advantage. How long can Kai use RDT for?

For at least around a minute according to Kai and Lloyd's showings, but WOG implied it doesn't have a time limit so it should be reliant on Kai's stamina

 

[Minaaaa]

With his Absolute Zero right?

Yeah

For at least around a minute according to Kai and Lloyd's showings, but WOG implied it doesn't have a tim

he would probably then switch to lightning so he can also fly

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Yeah

What's the range of that?

he would probably then switch to lightning so he can also fly

Kai should be able to overpower it if he decides to shoot him with Lightning while he's in RDT

 

[Minaaaa]

What's the range of that?

it can be ranged but with no set range

Kai should be able to overpower it if he decides to shoot him with Lightning while he's in RDT

Ryukendo could counter with his finisher and cover himself in lightning also attack reflection

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Ryukendo could counter with his finisher and cover himself in lightning also attack reflection

Wouldn't that force Ryukendo to crash on Kai to EE him? Kai can shoot him at a distance via Breath Attack in his RDT like against Nokt

 

[Minaaaa]

Wouldn't that force Ryukendo to crash on Kai to EE him? Kai can shoot him at a distance via Breath Attack in his RDT like against Nokt

He has resistance to extreme temperatures due to surviving in space and earth's reentry so he should be able to power through it long enough to hit him

 

[Minaaaa]

Also he has his own fire which is hotter than kai's resistance

 

[Lloydblitzed]

He has resistance to extreme temperatures due to surviving in space and earth's reentry so he should be able to power through it long enough to hit him

Kai's AP is higher with RDT so it would just overpower him

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Also he has his own fire which is hotter than kai's resistance

Didn't Kai's fire shield also protected him from his re-entry to Ninjago in S3?

 

[Minaaaa]

Kai's AP is higher with RDT so it would just overpower him

Only 2x which isnt alot combined with him being able to reflect attacks

Didn't Kai's fire shield also protected him from his re-entry to Ninjago in S3?

Oh yeah forgot about that

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Only 2x which isnt alot combined with him being able to reflect attacks

Kai can reflect Fire Beams if he wants to

 

[Minaaaa]

Idk if he'd be able to reflect it since is 7x hotter than his resistance

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Oh yeah forgot about that

So why wouldn't his elemental shield resistance also affect his heat resistances/Fire potency to the same lvls as Ryukendo?

Idk if he'd be able to reflect it since is 7x hotter than his resistance

Its stated here that Kai can burn throught matter, so I doubt Ryukendo won't get affected by Kai's blasts

• Heat Manipulation & Magma Manipulation (Kai can melt matter and metal)

 

[Minaaaa]

So why wouldn't his elemental shield resistance also affect his heat resistances/Fire potency to the same lvls as Ryukendo?

hmm, that could work. Probably should make a CRT putting kai's fire at that temp.

Its stated here that Kai can burn throught matter, so I doubt Ryukendo won't get affected by Kai's blasts

not really, matter is just anything physical

 

[Lloydblitzed]

hmm, that could work. Probably should make a CRT putting kai's fire at that temp.

We still need a CRT even tho the ability is already on profile?

• Cosmic Radiation (Can survive in space and enter the atmosphere without trouble with the aid of his Elemental Shield)

not really, matter is just anything physical

Ryukendo still needs to hit Kai with his sword to burn him

Enhanced Fire Manipulation & Deconstruction (His flames increased to 7000 degrees. Anything hit by Burning Ryukendo's sword is burnt)

Kai could quite knock him on the ground with a blast due to superior AP and then crash on him to prevent another attack

 

[Minaaaa]

We still need a CRT even tho the ability is already on profile?

i was meaning a temp for his fire

Kai could quite knock him on the ground with a blast due to superior AP and then crash on him to prevent another attack

yeah but he still has his AZ ice so he could freeze all of kai's attacks

 

[AigerTheKing]

yeah but he still has his AZ ice so he could freeze all of kai's attacks

If Kai is more skilled, then he will just end up outsmarting and outskilling Kenji. He also got real good Stealth Mastery so them fighting in a city, and especially in Central Park won't help Kenji either (As SBA says the default fighting location is Central Park)

Location: Central Park, New York City. The location can be left during the course of battle. If extreme advantages are generated via this location to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread.

 

[Minaaaa]

If Kai is more skilled, then he will just end up outsmarting and outskilling Kenji. He also got real good Stealth Mastery so them fighting in a city, and especially in Central Park won't help Kenji either (As SBA says the default fighting location is Central Park)

Stealth mastery wouldnt work since he has ESP

• Extrasensory Perception (Can see spirits<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ryukendo#cite_note-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a>. The Madan Ryu can sense aura)

 

[AigerTheKing]

Stealth mastery wouldnt work since he has ESP

• Extrasensory Perception (Can see spirits<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ryukendo#cite_note-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a>. The Madan Ryu can sense aura)

Does everyone have aura by default in Madan Senki? Cuz if not, its gonna be useless

 

[Minaaaa]

Does everyone have aura by default in Madan Senki? Cuz if not, its gonna be useless

This wouldnt matter as kai has aura on his profile

 

[AigerTheKing]

This wouldnt matter as kai has aura on his profile

My other arguments still stands. And if I recall right, Ryu needs to charge most of his attacks (like summon keys and stuff) which isn't a good thing against Kai. Ig the fact RDT also needs like 1-2 seconds to load also makes compensate for the issue anyways

 

[Minaaaa]

My other arguments still stands. And if I recall right, Ryu needs to charge most of his attacks (like summon keys and stuff) which isn't a good thing against Kai. Ig the fact RDT also needs like 1-2 seconds to load also makes compensate for the issue anyways

Would kai ever use RDT against an opponent he doesn't know the strength of? He's already 5x stronger than base kai, any hit he does is gonna feel like a train. Also gekiryuken would tell him how to counter kai's fire, which would be blizzard

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Would kai ever use RDT against an opponent he doesn't know the strength of? He's already 5x stronger than base kai, any hit he does is gonna feel like a train. Also gekiryuken would tell him how to counter kai's fire, which would be blizzard

If Kai shoots him and he realise the opponent take little damage, he will def use RDT

 

[Minaaaa]

If Kai shoots him and he realise the opponent take little damage, he will def use RDT

forgot to mention, blizzardshark can also fly

 

[Minaaaa]

Ryukendo still needs to hit Kai with his sword to burn him

also remembered, his fire is also ranged

 

[Lloydblitzed]

also remembered, his fire is also ranged

I mean won't RDT protect him from the fire since it covers his body?

 

[Minaaaa]

I mean won't RDT protect him from the fire since it covers his body?

They'd probably cancel out if he decides to use fire and not blizzard, which he would do against fire. Also how does Kai counter something like this.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

They'd probably cancel out if he decides to use fire and not blizzard, which he would do against fire. Also how does Kai counter something like this.

Pretty sure RDT is based on Spinjitzu which amps speed, so he'd be faster and thus have an easier time dodging. Also, Kai can pull out explosion manip and knock Ryukendo around with huge explosions

 

[Minaaaa]

Pretty sure RDT is based on Spinjitzu which amps speed, so he'd be faster and thus have an easier time dodging. Also, Kai can pull out explosion manip and knock Ryukendo around with huge explosions

explosions are more of a durability thing, also he cant do anything if his attacks are getting frozen

 

[Arkansalter2]

How often / when would Kai pop dragon?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

How often / when would Kai pop dragon?

So far, he used it in every fight he got in (2 fights) since he learned the technique. He use it against Shatterspin, which is a technique that amps the users far above Base Kai's power lvl ranges (its a 10x power amp), which is why I said Kai will likely use RDT if he realise Ryukendo is stronger than him in base

 

[AigerTheKing]

explosions are more of a durability thing, also he cant do anything if his attacks are getting frozen

The explosions don't need to it Kenji. It could hit the ground and still blow, and with Kai's amps it should work. The intelligence gap between Kai and Ryukendo is enourmous tho, and on top of that Kai can attack faster than Ryu if he's amped by Spinjitzu like amps.

 

[Minaaaa]

The explosions don't need to it Kenji. It could hit the ground and still blow, and with Kai's amps it should work. The intelligence gap between Kai and Ryukendo is enourmous tho, and on top of that Kai can attack faster than Ryu if he's amped by Spinjitzu like amps.

Im saying the explosions wont do anything due to the AP gap. Also kenji could just freeze the blasts before they even hit him. Also regular spinjitzu wouldnt do anything also due to the AP gap, one hit and kai would get knocked out of it.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Im saying the explosions wont do anything due to the AP gap. Also kenji could just freeze the blasts before they even hit him.

Kai skill gaps him

Also regular spinjitzu wouldnt do anything also due to the AP gap,

RDT is based on Spinjitzu, and Kai with RDT would be faster than Kenji here

one hit and kai would get knocked out of it.

Kenji cannot overpower RDT

 

[Minaaaa]

Kai skill gaps him

Wouldn't matter due to range attacks. He'd immediately switch to ice once kai starts using fire

RDT is based on Spinjitzu, and Kai with RDT would be faster than Kenji here

One, spinjitzu doesn't have a speed multipler and two, it only amps attack speed, not travel speed

Kenji cannot overpower RDT

Doesn't need to with ice, his own fire and electricity

 

[Lloydblitzed]

One, spinjitzu doesn't have a speed multipler

Its not quantifiable but its still listed as a Speed Amp for a reason

and two, it only amps attack speed, not travel speed

Spinjitzu almost only used for combat lol

Doesn't need to with ice, his own fire and electricity

Ant told me a CRT isn't needed to add the Fire shield temperature, so the Fire and Electricity arguments don't work anymore

 

[Ebihara]

not quantifiable

Seems rather silly to argue using it if we don't know by how much? Is there a range? Is it cause it's uses vary in speed so much? Seems pretty useless in versus agurments as a point if we don't know how much faster it makes him.