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How much bigger should I make itWith that tiny starting distance, Minotaur just swings and oneshot the Hunter before he can fire a single bullet.
Minotaurs are large creatures with an equally large weapon so 7 feet is still way too close. The bull isn't gonna go down in one shot thanks to the AP of the Hunter's weapons only being about 1.5x higher than its highest AP. Consider setting up the fight to be like an actual hunt where both combatants start relatively far away (like 50 meters at minimum) and in a location without immediate line of sight.How much bigger should I make it
Minotaurs are large creatures with an equally large weapon so 7 feet is still way too close. The bull isn't gonna go down in one shot thanks to the AP of the Hunter's weapons only being about 1.5x higher than its highest AP. Consider setting up the fight to be like an actual hunt where both combatants start relatively far away (like 50 meters at minimum) and in a location without immediate line of sight.
it sounds a bit bias but can I use one of this as a location?Minotaurs are large creatures with an equally large weapon so 7 feet is still way too close. The bull isn't gonna go down in one shot thanks to the AP of the Hunter's weapons only being about 1.5x higher than its highest AP. Consider setting up the fight to be like an actual hunt where both combatants start relatively far away (like 50 meters at minimum) and in a location without immediate line of sight.
Oh yeah and he has his camouflage and his cover scent (aka to mask his scent so they don’t smell him)With that tiny starting distance, Minotaur just swings and oneshot the Hunter before he can fire a single bullet.
Of course! You're the OP so you can decide whatever you want. In my opinion, having the fight takes place in one of the Hunter's home turfs makes it fairer, especially since all it takes is one mistake to get him killed.it sounds a bit bias but can I use one of this as a location?
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Delphaeus Hills
"Delphaeus Hills" (misspelled "Delapheus Hills in Carnivores: Dinosaur Hunter HD and Carnivores: Dinosaur Hunter Reborn) is a large coniferious forest and the first and smallest area in Carnivores 2, Carnivores: Dinosaur Hunter, and Carnivores: Dinosaur Hunter HD . As to be expected from the...carnivores-archive.fandom.com
Those will definitely help, though he shouldn't rely too much on them since the Minotaur's senses and tracking ability are ridiculously good.Oh yeah and he has his camouflage and his cover scent (aka to mask his scent so they don’t smell him)
He does have radar though I might have to ask apex if we need to fix the profile again since that counts as limited resistance to stealth masteryOf course! You're the OP so you can decide whatever you want. In my opinion, having the fight takes place in one of the Hunter's home turfs makes it fairer, especially since all it takes is one mistake to get him killed.
Those will definitely help, though he definitely shouldn't rely too much on them since the Minotaur's senses and tracking ability are ridiculously good.
Nah, I think the pistol and shotgun are already enough. His stronger weapons have much higher range and are capable of nearly or straight up oneshotting animals that scale higher than the verse's 9-A AP. Also, I like the idea of him having only one chance to get in the first shot before the Minotaur knows where he is and starts hunting him down.Should the shotgun which is already optional equipment that I gave him be enough or
Should I definitely bring out the sniper rifle and shit
Which btw he also has a X-bow (it fires silently without disturbing other things)
Who wins then in your opinion?Nah, I think the pistol and shotgun are already enough. His stronger weapons have much higher range and are capable of nearly or straight up oneshotting animals that scale higher than the verse's 9-A AP. Also, I like the idea of him having only one chance to get in the first shot before the Minotaur knows where he is and starts hunting him down.
Actually his guns can harm t-Rex who in turn is stronger than a ceolophysis that destroyed a bridgeI don't know about either of these characters, but I'll try analyzing the match-up solely based on their profiles. I'll cover the relevant comparison categories.
Physique
Assuming the Minotaur would be Small Building level in this match, his power scales "vastly" above being "barely" that tier and 36,640,000 joules. The Hunter's physique is just athletic, while his firearms are barely Small Building level, seeing as how his rank comes from one-shotting a T-rex whose power is Wall level and 622,481.87 joules. The Minotaur's power is in the tens of millions of joules, while the Hunter's firearms don't even one-shot a million joules. I'll give the Hunter the benefit of the doubt and presume that his firearms can reliably one-shot most dinosaurs in general, like his profile suggests, and I'll interpret his firearms as baseline Small Building level, which is 20,920,000 joules. I don't know why the Minotaur's durability doesn't have a "likely Small Building level" like his attack potency does, but even without that, the Wall level power the Minotaur scales "vastly" above is 4,248,000 joules, which is 6.8× greater than the T-rex one-shot feat, though not enough to reach Small Building level. I guess the Minotaur may or may not get one-shot. However, the Hunter would certainly be one-shot, since his durability is lower than Wall level.
The Minotaur seems to have the advantage in this categories, but the profiles should do a better job at clarifying.
Opportunity
Through firearms, the Hunter has a lot longer range than the Minotaur, being able to even reach kilometers at best. The Minotaur isn't exclusively close range though, being able to attack several meters away as well. Both characters could see each other in the dark. The Minotaur has a superior sense of smell, but the Hunter could mitigate this a bit using the cover scent item. The Hunter would be able to perform some stealth using camouflage, allowing easier access to strike the Minotaur. If the Hunter would discover what a Minotaur sounds like, then maybe the Hunter could manipulate the Minotaur's position by mimicking sounds.
The Hunter seems to have the advantage in this category.
Skill
The Hunter is skilled with weapons and is already experienced with this type of battle due to having hunted dinosaurs. The Minotaur is skilled with weapons as well, and is capable of impressive performance in close combat, but he is mostly dumb otherwise and is prone to abandoning skill and caution in exchange for a burst of power. The Hunter's experience should let him recognize that approaching would be risky and opt for safely outskilling the Minotaur using the weapons.
The Hunter seems to have the advantage in this category.
Conclusion
Based on my analysis, the Hunter would have the overall advantage in the battle, being able to circumvent the Minotaur's physical advantage with greater opportunities to strike with skill. Thus, it would be more likely for the Hunter to win the battle and I vote for him winning the battle.
Thanks for telling me. I found the blog post in the Calculations section of the page for the Carnivores series, and the blog post is accepted by two calculation group members. This should really be put on the Hunter's profile in addition to the T-rex feat, because the profile itself is misleading as it is now.Actually his guns can harm t-Rex who in turn is stronger than a ceolophysis that destroyed a bridge
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35.69 MegaJoules
I forgot about that, but I'm not sure what prompted you to tell me this. Do you mean to tell me that the Hunter being bloodlusted allows the attack potency gap to be closed? The Hunter's firearms wouldn't get such a boost from emotion, and he is physically Athlete level otherwise, so that wouldn't be true. Do you mean to tell me that the Hunter would be less strategic? What evidence is there that the Hunter having the mindset of prioritizing killing the Minotaur over everything else would make the Hunter less strategic? It may be intuitive that a character would be more reckless when bloodlusted, but that's not necessarily the case. There is a relevant distinction between "induced bloodlust" in a versus thread and "natural bloodlust" in a fictional continuity, as explained in the note at the bottom of the Bloodlust page.Also hunter is bloodlusted
Bloodlust is their just more careful and get straight to pointThanks for telling me. I found the blog post in the Calculations section of the page for the Carnivores series, and the blog post is accepted by two calculation group members. This should really be put on the Hunter's profile in addition to the T-rex feat, because the profile itself is misleading as it is now.
In that case, the power of the Hunter's firearms is 35,691,651.5 in joules, putting it close to the Minotaur's 36,640,000 joules without vagueness. This makes the battle a lot closer, but the Minotaur still gets the advantage due to being slightly stronger and being able to one-shot the Hunter who merely has Athlete level durability.
I forgot about that, but I'm not sure what prompted you to tell me this. Do you mean to tell me that the Hunter being bloodlusted allows the attack potency gap to be closed? The Hunter's firearms wouldn't get such a boost from emotion, and he is physically Athlete level otherwise, so that wouldn't be true. Do you mean to tell me that the Hunter would be less strategic? What evidence is there that the Hunter having the mindset of prioritizing killing the Minotaur over everything else would make the Hunter less strategic? It may be intuitive that a character would be more reckless when bloodlusted, but that's not necessarily the case. There is a relevant distinction between "induced bloodlust" in a versus thread and "natural bloodlust" in a fictional continuity, as explained in the note at the bottom of the Bloodlust page.
If I haven't addressed your concern about how the Hunter would be bloodlusted in the battle, then please tell me.
That's even more of a reason for me to vote for the Hunter winning the battle. Did you count my vote?Bloodlust is their just more careful and get straight to point
Like someone who’s nice and friendly won’t go all out and try to end the fight quickly as possible
Bloodlust they end the fight instantly
CountedThat's even more of a reason for me to vote for the Hunter winning the battle. Did you count my vote?
Tbf the hunter has a weapon called the X-bow it’s relatively silent and he can fire off several shots from it without alerting other animals.I mean the minotaur upscales a good bit from it's own rating being able to realistically one shot a Rothé going by stat block and twice the cr. They are unlikely to directly go after their target having a preference to ambush enemies when possible and a
minotaur can visualize every route it might take to close the distance to its prey once it locates them. It's sense of hearing is good with +7 to listening checks, a bonus higher than dogs.
Btw the hunter is able to kill t-Rex with his weapons who is stronger than ceolophysis who destroyed a bridge 35.69 MegaJoulesI mean the minotaur upscales a good bit from it's own rating being able to realistically one shot a Rothé going by stat block and twice the cr. They are unlikely to directly go after their target having a preference to ambush enemies when possible and a
minotaur can visualize every route it might take to close the distance to its prey once it locates them. Its sense of hearing is good with +7 to listening checks, a bonus higher than dogs.
The hunter likely needs to move to find a shot given his stealth mastery justification is just wearing camouflage that likely creates noise.Tbf the hunter has a weapon called the X-bow it’s relatively silent and he can fire off several shots from it without alerting other animals.
Are we using 9-A or 9-B MinotaurBtw the hunter is able to kill t-Rex with his weapons who is stronger than ceolophysis who destroyed a bridge 35.69 MegaJoules
9-AThe hunter likely needs to move to find a shot given his stealth mastery justification is just wearing camouflage that likely creates noise.
Are we using 9-A or 9-B Minotaur
How many shots honestly does it take then for a 9-A Minotaur?The hunter likely needs to move to find a shot given his stealth mastery justification is just wearing camouflage that likely creates noise.
Are we using 9-A or 9-B Minotaur
Massively upscales from 23.11 Megajoules then
It leaves the head entirely visible from what I have found looking at the carnivores wikiBtw it’s still stealth mastery given if your camouflaged people are still gonna have trouble spotting you