The Master vs Simon the Digger

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Speed Equal
Simon is at peak
The Master has prep
Fight takes place in my mother's purse (legit, I think even Yog would get lost in there)

Drum boy: 1
Really stronk mecha pilot: 7
Incon:

 

[BluudyManikin777]

I feel like The Doctor might still take this one via Attack Reflection and Conceptual Manipulation. The Anti-Spiral does have Low-Godly Regen and Higher-Dimensional Existence, but I'm not entirely sure that's going to really help

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

doctor still takes it. Acausality negs probabilty and concept hax screws over the anti spiral

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

So, he wins for the same reason he won last time.

Anti climatic but alright

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

So, he wins for the same reason he won last time.

Anti climatic but alright

Yeap

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Honestly, it all comes down to who does what first. If The Doctor uses Conceptual Manipulation and Attack Reflection as a first move AS is screwed. The Doctor doesn't usually resort to lethal methods, and The Anti-Spiral would, but AS would put themselves down to the opponent's level

Edit: it says the Anti-Spiral wants revenge, which can mean they want to win and are willing to go for the kill and ignore what they normally do, or it's just a hyperbole

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

It's hyperbole

 

[BluudyManikin777]

It's hyperbole

This can still go either way. The Doctor in this case doesn't really know much about AS, so he/she would not resort to to the sonic screwdriver. And if he/she does not use conceptual manipulation or attack reflection first, The Anti-Spiral would win because he'd be able to one shot. Although if he/she were to resort to those abilities The Doctor easily take this. I'm not very knowledgable in Doctor Who, so I'm a little indecisive atm. If The Doctor does start with CM or AR, then I'm voting Doctor, if not, I'm voting Anti-Spiral

 

[Wagdawgwag]

What exactly changed from the first go around with these two in terms of changes to their pages?

 

[BluudyManikin777]

What exactly changed from the first go around with these two in terms of changes to their pages?

I'm not sure about the Doctor, but the Anti-Spiral now has abstract existence (type 1), invisibility and he's immeasurably above infinite 11-D now

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

What exactly changed from the first go around with these two in terms of changes to their pages?

Anti Spiral got some more resistances and AE, he also scales to an infinite 11D multiverse now, so his AP got higher

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Anti Spiral got some more resistances and AE, he also scales to an infinite 11D multiverse now, so his AP got higher

Anti-Spiral isn't just infinite 11-D, they're immeasurably above infinite 11-D. The already infinite sized multiverse will continue to split the instant it is perceived. Since Simon perceived the entire multiverse before observing it, the multiverse's structure became more than just infinite

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

infinitely expanding infinite multiverses aren't infinite above baseline anymore IIRC

 

[BluudyManikin777]

infinitely expanding infinite multiverses aren't infinite above baseline anymore IIRC

It isn't just infinitely expanding. The entire infinite multiverse was being perceived, meaning another infinity was created every instant it was perceived

 

[Wagdawgwag]

Prep gives him the Key to Time which hurt Black Guardian. How does that stack up in the grand scheme of this fight?

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

The Key to Time gives you the full power of this guy actually

 

[Wagdawgwag]

The Key to Time gives you the full power of this guy actually

Yeah but the listed feat is that, with that power, the Black Guardian was damaged.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

The Anti-Spiral's AP is still far above any High 1-C in Doctor Who. The Doctor will need to use the listed hax first thing if he/she is going to win against AS. Literally just one hit from them and the doctor is done

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Alright, what stops them from still nuking Anti Spiral? The Doctor has the key of Time and he has his own probability manip which also works on type 4 acausals.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Alright, what stops them from still nuking Anti Spiral? The Doctor has the key of Time and he has his own probability manip which also works on type 4 acausals.

AS has resistance to probability manipulation

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

AS has resistance to probability manipulation

Not on the level of doctor who.Again the doctors probability hax can work on acausals

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Not on the level of doctor who.Again the doctors probability hax can work on acausals

Can The Doctor interact with Type 1 abstracts?

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Also, Doctor has type 4 acausality. AS' only works on type 2 acausals

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Can The Doctor interact with Type 1 abstracts?

yes

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Can The Doctor interact with Type 1 abstracts?

Yes, the key of time literally blasted an type 2 concept in the face
edit: Ninja'd

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Really? I didn't see it on the profile

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Really? I didn't see it on the profile

The Doctor was capable of using the key to defeat The Black Guardian, who desired its power.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

the Doctor needs a major revision, the page is missing a whole lot of abilities, unless there's some explanation for it

 

[Wagdawgwag]

the Doctor needs a major revision, the page is missing a whole lot of abilities, unless there's some explanation for it

It's under the Key of Time section in the prep time section, right?
The way it's spaced is a bit wonky, though, I think. It's easy to miss the first time around.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

It's under the Key of Time section in the prep time section, right?
The way it's spaced is a bit wonky, though, I think. It's easy to miss the first time around.

Yeah, it doesn't say Non-Physical Interaction or High-Godly Regeneration Negation, the Black Guardian has High-Godly regen

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Alright, the doctor still takes this lol

 

[Wagdawgwag]

Yeah, voting Doctor on account of concept-face-blasting.
And his winning smile.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Shit, I already requested the fight to be added back

 

[Wagdawgwag]

Shit, I already requested the fight to be added back

Y'know, if that's the case, maybe a followup match would be in order?
I'm not well-informed enough to know how viable this is but Simon and The Master both have High 1-C keys. If it isn't a stomp, I think it'd be a fun companion piece of sorts.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Done

 

[deonment]

Done

they said the master not the doctor

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

oof, I'll change it again

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Simon via Higher AP, Speed, Durability and Regeneration Negation

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Temporal Grace and/or Conceptual Bomb GG

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Added both votes