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You never said which keys are fighting but if its their strongest versions then Toshiro stomps, even his physical stats are way superior, so his hax on top of that is a stomp. While it wasn't fully shown, an exhausted and damn near ready to collapse Adult Toshiro who couldn't initially stand...
I always interpreted it as Kenny suppressing himself lead to him nearly dying which led to him getting boosts which put him closer to his original strength. Nearly died against Ichigo and showed up Nnoitra level. Nearly died against Nnoitra and showed up Yammy level. Even post Muken where he...
Kubo and Narita can (and sometimes do) use that ‘life or death’/‘near death’ amp in the same way Toriyama used Zenkai boosts…..they could make the boost they get as massive or as insignificant as they want. Writing crutch? Maybe, but it’s not inconsistent writing
A lot of people glance over the possibility that Kensei (as well as Rose and Rangiku) got massively amped post Zombie revival. It’s already a canon and established thing that Bleach characters get massively stronger after life or death experiences and near death experiences. Urahara said it...
In that specific part of the story, Ichigo’s power was fluctuating to an extreme degree. While watching Ichigo fight Yammy, Ulq outright said Ichigo’s Reiatsu surpassed his own at moments. When Ichigo’s power consistently rounded out in regards to that arc specifically, we know he was only...
Ichigo with his Bankai and Mask amp stacked onto each other couldn’t take out a 1 Armed Base Grimmjow who’s not even considered Espada level anymore while spamming Black Getsuga’s. Toshiro tanking Res Luppi’s 8x AP amped attack and one tapping him with a move that isn’t even his best is more...
The issue with Toshiro’s SS key which makes this battle ridiculously tough for him is that it doesn’t take into account his Bankai amp which the next arc showed to be a bigger amp than Ichigo’s Bankai and even Mask amps…simply because the first time his Bankai used was against the main...
Quincy can erase immaterial souls from the soul cycle, essentially erasing them from existence and the cycle of reincarnation. Ichibei can erase beings from existence and completely wipe them out of the reincarnation cycle. Yamamoto can erase beings from existence in terms of the 'physical' soul...
Whether Genjutsu works on Reikaku or not is only really a discussion for Fullbringers and Quincy in their physical bodies. The strongest/most potent Genjutsu in the verse, the Infinite Tsukuyomi has been shown to not affect souls…the Edo Tensei. And iirc, we haven’t had any examples of Genjutsu...
Orihime only made the distinction that a character wasn't outwardly expelling Reiatsu and noted it as something...noteworthy, when Quilge went into Vollstandig. She never made this comment about Ginjo, Tsukishima, herself. All Fullbringers who she has seen in combat
If live action Bleach works like anime/manga Bleach, even though dense Reishi bodies can be touched they have possible invulnerability…as in they can be touched and physically interacted with but not actually damaged by non soul based attacks
But that would be a stomp, so assuming we don’t go...
The argument that all Ceros would be the same speed stems from people simply not thinking. Just like pretty much every other attack in Bleach, the speed and AP of the attack depends on how much reiryoku you put into it. We’ve seen at the bare minimum that Gillian class Menos have 2 reishi light...
I agree for the fear manip/resistance layers for As Nodt and Byakuya. Idk about the limited power null/resistance tho, Rukia isn’t like Toshiro, she doesn’t negate the abilities of whatever she freezes, but she is able to freeze raw energy and Reishi. So As Nodt using his ability while being...
Bleach characters have resisted/outright negged space-time manipulation. As Nodt specifically hasn’t but Gojo is so much weaker than him that he has no answers for the power gap.
Not a stomp for Gojo, As Nodt and every Bleach character with Soul Physiology has limited power null and the gap between As Nodt and Gojo (High 6-A to 5-C vs High 7-C to ‘Far/Even higher’ into Low 7-B) is bigger than the gap between Base Aizen and Shikai Soi Fon (5-C vs At Least 6-B) or the gap...
Ichigo probably takes this. People forget that Royd showed how to counter ZnT West. With energy attacks. Yama had to physically deflect the arrow and went out of his way to stab his sword into the ground to avoid Church Song. Ichigo isn’t an idiot when to comes to battle IQ and Getsuga is...
Why wouldn't Fullbringer Ichigo have Reiatsu Crush? That and Saitama has no resistance to Soul Manipulation so any hit from Ichigo would kinda dura neg him, they both could one shot each other
Why is there an entire Cursed Energy page linked to JJK characters profiles made then 💀
I can tell you it definitely wasn’t made to ignore the powers and abilities it grants them
I’m neutral towards Low 7-C Maki, but what I dont think using points 3, 4, and 5 are valid justifications. Toji doesn’t have low 7-C scaling and Kenjaku calling her a heavy hitter and being weary of her isn’t necessarily valid justification. Kenjaku is on the outside looking in and is always...
You could make in verse arguments as to why or chalk it up to an inconsistency or Gege forgot, but Muzan isn’t even from the same verse and has 0 tolerance to it or any resistance to curse manip
Issue with this battle is Hakari’s 8-A key is subsonic+ and speed is unequalized. Hakari’s Jackpot state is what gives his MHS speed scaling but it also makes his AP Low 7-C. Which should be fine since Muzan has regen and Hakari uses H2H but it depends on how OP sets the match.
There’s a few...
Ichigo was 3-C, Aizen was 4-A but what’s weird with the profiles is that Ichigo scales to 12x the attack that burned his arm but sort of explains it as Ichigo being casual. What makes more sense to me is that Ichigo’s Zanpakuto which negged the Ultra Fragor is just that much more durable than...
That’s got nothing to do with the fact that you can’t use any of the abilities on the Shinigami physiology page besides enhanced invisibility, limited spatial manip, and limited healing without a zanpakuto. And the latter 2 are exclusive to Gotei tech with the Senkaimon and Gentai Kaijo...
VS Battle wiki won’t accept it, but on other places where scaling isn’t so tight knit, you can argue that Mahoraga >>> the True Sphere via adaption (which does affect his stats). Could argue that the True Sphere isn’t a conventional hax and basically is just a lot of (infinite) pressure, and so...
Does Yhwach really have anything usable for Shinigami Physiology without a Zanpakuto? Every ability on there besides enhanced invisibility is predicated on having a zanpakuto or tech/equipment only the Gotei gives out
How does Shunpo work in these speed equalized matches with Ichigo as the slower one naturally? But that aside, Superman’s soul hax resistance basically allows him to not get negged by Ichigo’s attacks, but he was saying the soul based attack made it so that he could barely concentrate or fly
If...
Technically speaking, don't all analytical prediction users have to at least predict not where their opponent is, but where their opponent will be in short timeframes into the future? But either way, Goku fought people with comparable combat intelligence to Ichigo who don't have their own...
Idk if the curse was ever graded, but what is at best a Grade 1 curse was able to drop Maki who had no resistance to curses from a slight scratch in what seemed like less than a minute based on the manga panels. (I don't remember how long it took in the movie). Kashimo in Base is a special grade...
If Naruto spams like...a thousand clones from the start and tries to overwhelm Ichibei like that, then it's possible, but if he starts with just a few like he usually does then its more likely for Ichibei to tag him with ink or other hax
Base FKT Yoruichi = Urahara = Base Aizen. TYBW Yoruichi in her highest Shunko forms can blitz Askin who in base could blitz Shunko Yushiro. (Yushiro is considered relative to her in terms of speed.) Urahara has a Bankai that can directly amp his stats, so he can in a sense get stronger. There's...
Idk how to reply into split up segments neatly like you do so I'll just go point by point
1.) Knowledge isn't relevant if you're already under KS since he doesn't have to recast it, it's one and done. That and if you're already under KS, knowledge that you're in an illusion doesn't help. But if...
Yhwach cooks Aizen pretty bad. He has knowledge of KS so he’s not gonna get caught by the activation of it, he should be able to bully Aizen around stat wise since Yhwach scales above Yama and can casually contain and control his Bankai while Aizen scales below Shikai Yama and scales to people...
If they’re equalized to Kashimo’s MHS combat speed then Kashimo’s Lightning Discharge and EM Waves are win cons due to their attack speed. Pikachu won’t take damage from the electric aspect but the curses
Pikachu being faster does make it interesting, but I’m not sure the exact AP gap or how...
From the looks of it, Pikachu has higher AP and Durability at Low 7-B compared to Kashimo’s High 7-C, they both resist each others electricity with Pikachu being able to absorb it, but Pikachu has like no resistance to cursed energy so even if he can take Kashimo’s physical attacks CE would mess...