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-DBG Beerus is removed from #1 2-B since he isn't 2-B anymore
-DBG Zen'O is removed from #1 2-A tied with The Core since he isn't 2-A anymore
-The Entire Low 1-B category needs to go since the tier no longer exists in the new system
So being able to physically punch a Timeline into nothing is not physical?
Being able to physically tank a Multiversal Explosion is not physical?
Your literal 4D life force reinforcing your body is not physical?
The problem here isn't that their bodies are 3D. No, you're completely misreading...
Which is absolute BS given that, again, the literal entire point of amping yourself with 4D energy is that you are... y'know... protected by said 4D energy.
To get into the nut (3D body) inside, you have to get through its shell (4D Amp/Shield).
Also the hell do you mean "They aren't 4D...
Which shouldn't be an excuse if the basis for EE bypassing one's defenses is that the person's 3D in spite of the fact that said person is being actively defended by 4D energy.
It's like saying "My 4D EE still erases you since you only have a 3D body even though you're being actively defended...
That itself is the problem. Existence and Conceptuality is used to describe the transcendence- things that outright do not apply to The Void.
What I'm basically trying to say is, High 1-A can be mathematically described. Since mathematics is in its entirety is completely predated and...
I mean, luckily Sonic isn't one to spam Chaos Control like Shadow does so that would help.
What can Sonic do if DiEnd just does his thing where he summons 3-4 more people to back him up or something?
Also depending on who you ask, Speed Amps are allowed in battles such as these. So summon...
Yeah that's what I thought- that that's the one and only qualification.
Problem is though, Tier 0 as it is is defined as "Outside all extensions of infinity". This shouldn't be here if it doesn't mean anything. Further, the phrases "Existence" and "Conceptual" is used to describe how one...
So uh, yeah I'm confused about what the hell Tier 0 actually is now.
So Tier 0 (Boundless) is defined as:
"Boundless level: Characters who demonstrate an equivalence to, or can create/destroy/affect, transcendental abstract levels of existence which conceptually stand superior to even High 1-A...
That's the thing though-
You're able to punch higher dimensions.
You're able to destroy higher dimensions.
You're able to see higher dimensions.
But you're not higher dimensional...? You have to sort of... y'know... Exist in the higher dimension to do these things?
I absolutely abhor this logic.
What's the difference between a 3D body that's amped with 4D energy and a normal 4D body?
Literally NOTHING. It's an arbitrary AF limitation that has no difference. A 3D body that's saturated with 4D energy is STILL saturated with 4D energy- you can't somehow...
Actually Mecha Goku should defeat Demonbane since from what I gather, the reason for victory is via AP.
Mecha Goku scales to SSB Goku and Vegeta, and SSB Goku >= SS4 Xeno Goku
So uhhh. yeah. Fairly certain Demonbane is in the top 5.
Pardon my sarcasm, but ah yes. A Form which literally uses the Conceptual Energy of a Conceptual Item to make armour and weaponry isn't... conceptual... despite being the same Energy...
Because... it's... not?
Yeah that doesn't really work.
Also High-Godly is being able to regenerate from...
As with all Ryuki fights, since Will has no answer to "lol Mirrorworld", I'll have to vote for Shinji.
It's not even a matter of In-Character either- Shinji literally has the ability to end the fight at a moment's notice by just tackling and ragdolling them both into the lake and into the...
"That or it could be a weakness on the ability itself, like Hit's time skip is outright stated to have trouble working on those stronger than him."
No? It was never stated that like... ever? Where'd you get this? When Goku and Jiren broke through Hit's Time Skip, it was their own feat rather...
The Time Patrol should at least have Type 1, yes.
If they didn't then that means your Majin CaC should've absolutely NUKED the Timeline- but they didn't. Or hell, even just another Saiyan appearing in the Namek Saga.
This is derailing, technically so we should probably stop. Still though Goku should get AZ Resistance since it was nothing special on Vegeta's end, literally all he did was go SS1.
As for "Power" being brought up, no. No supporters of that argument ever referred to "power". Literally every...
Speaking of that, Shouldn't Goku at least scale to resist AZ? It's sort of weird for Vegeta, who's noted to be the relative lesser of Goku, to for some reason have something that for all intents and purposes is MASSIVE of an advantage (Difference of "not getting 1 shot and 1 shot")
Mind you those "people" also has Conceptual Manipulation as all Greeeds do, something Shin completely lacks.
There has been flat 0 instances where a normie person was able to do so.
Hey guys since DBH got upgraded to 2-A, that means every DBG character gets upgraded to 2-A as well- so now there's a power vacuum in 2-B.
So uh... have fun fighting for top 2-B xD
Can't believe I missed this.
"You can have attacks that nullify at the same time, Beerus and Goku have power null for that exact reason. So yes, Jiren's Glare is power ull."
Except you're blatantly ignoring my point. I never argued Jiren would somehow null Eclipsa's Shield, just that you...
Obviously, I agree.
Remember there's also the evidence of how you can meet alternate versions of yourself an infinite amount of times- with it being canon to Heroes given that there's literally a crossover between the Protagonist self and the Heroes version of them.
Seeing as the Medals are INSIDE Eiji's body, that's a little hard.
Also slip shots in between medals he didn't account for and has no knowledge about and by the time they do their thing, Eiji's already in PuToTyra? Does not sound like a good strategy at all.
No, it doesn't get negated. Did...
Hakai not working on stronger opponents has never been a thing supported by canon.
If we take implied evidence then by all means, Goku as of Goku Black Saga should be Low 2-C since he thought he could've done something to Infinite Zamasu if he had a Senzu Bean but we don't, he's still only 3-A...
So the victim never existed? That sounds like Den-O style Erasure where the paradoxed thing never occurred ever.
Which is still doesn't affect Singularity Points.
No, that's 100% a paradox.
The person in "real life" watching Kamen Rider is the people that's making Kamen Rider remain existing- if they remember Kamen Rider, they will come back.
If Kamen Rider's events never happened ever, that means the people in real life never saw Kamen Rider. That's...
Greater Death Knight (ATF) could reliably do it.
First of all, "killing" the Death Knight isn't really possible since it's already dead, so there goes one of the loss conditions. Even if you take off entire limbs and such, it can just eat the souls of the dead mobs to heal them right back up...
On the off-chance that Beerus for some reason doesn't start with Hakai and Anti-Monitor immediately uses Existence Erasure with no hesitation.
A storm is when one side cannot EVER do anything.
A Decisive is when one side wins the vast majority of the time.