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  1. Edgar81539

    Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 54: Rice Edition

    Low 2-C Aniraza incoming
  2. Edgar81539

    Placeholder for the upcoming Kefla upgrades

    Are you sure you know how much power and what kind of feats you need to demonstrate in order to jump a tier? She has no feats to say she's 2-C, and she has no scaling to back up that claim. It's like trying to say that Vegito is an universe buster just because he was incredibly stronger than...
  3. Edgar81539

    Placeholder for the upcoming Kefla upgrades

    And it seems I was right about you guys jumping the gun. At no point in the fight was she able to hit Goku, and Goku managed to make quite a lot of damage with simple ki bursts and punches, and even those were weak since he couldn't adapt to using Ultra Instinct while attacking (should add that...
  4. Edgar81539

    Placeholder for the upcoming Kefla upgrades

    Sounds like a load of bollocks. Aren't you guys jumping the gun like you did with Caulifla/Kale previously? She kept up with Goku but Goku was tired (explicitely said by Champa) while Kefla was fresh. She needed to transform to defeat Blue + Kaioken and we don't even know what level of Kaioken...
  5. Edgar81539

    Possible Kale Revision ( Not concerning her tier, but justification. )

    ^^ Goku Black is not an accurate sample for Saiyan skills and powers considering his reactive evolution is his alone, along with having Zenkai boosts of his own. ^I agree with the above statement; having Kale be SSG tier is consistent with both episodes while having in consideration that the...
  6. Edgar81539

    Possible Kale Revision ( Not concerning her tier, but justification. )

    Unless it's directly stated by the show, I would refrain from saying that Goku previous forms somehow got stronger while exhausted. Also Zenkai doesn't work that way. You need to explicitely rest/recover (sleep, healing or rest) from the beating to get a Zenkai boost. Also the fact that the...
  7. Edgar81539

    Possible Kale Revision ( Not concerning her tier, but justification. )

    Yeah, it was stated this episode by the Peanut gallery that she somehow got stronger than her berserker form by controlling it. So there it is. Inconsistency. It has been 2 episodes of her being shown as weaker than Goku at his lower forms, why are we still paying attention to an episode...
  8. Edgar81539

    Possible Kale Revision ( Not concerning her tier, but justification. )

    If he was holding back then it's not a feat. There's a reason we don't have Krillin matching Blue Kamehameha as a feat. Same for the "effortlessly tossed SSB Goku", it's inconsistent with later showings.
  9. Edgar81539

    Possible Kale Revision ( Not concerning her tier, but justification. )

    aaaan she was defeated by Goku. While he was in God. And it was her controlled Berserker form. The feat is inconsistent.
  10. Edgar81539

    Possible Kale Revision ( Not concerning her tier, but justification. )

    It seems that the whole thing about Kale tanking Blue Kamehameha was an outlier or Goku was just playing around, since the last episode reveals that even in the company of Caulifla she's unable to fight off an exhausted Goku (unable to keep SSJ3 on more than a few seconds) and will be forced to...
  11. Edgar81539

    New Form Goku

    >There are major statements that Goku got stronger When asked by Krillin if Goku got a power up from absorbing the genkidama, Whis corrects him and says that the depleted energy reserves of Goku were re-supplied by the Genkidama and goes on to talk about self-movement. There's nothing to imply...
  12. Edgar81539

    New Form Goku

    Goku didn't get stronger by the transformation. Jiren is stronger. The thing is that Goku can dodge everything that Jiren throws at him (he literally didn't hit Goku until his form ran out) and meanwhile he's agile enough to damage him. Also something to add is that Goku managed to survive a...
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