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  1. Unforgiven0815

    (GRACE) Zoro fights a God-Tier Swordsman: Part 1

    Where exactly does the Road to Laughtale book say that Rocks is stronger than Roger or Whitebeard?
  2. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Based on what? And? If he's as old as Whitebeard or older, then he was 100% in his prime back then. Cope.
  3. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Kizaru was trolling. He acted scared and then continued attacking Law's submarine while Ben was watching him, doing nothing to stop him. The story said that too. It does mean that. So no top tier, right?
  4. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Still sick. Shanks is that guy, but he didn't fight Kaido. We don't know how old Shiki is. Not me, the story.
  5. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Ben: Maybe. Marco: Yes. King: No. Alright but you came with the claim to begin with, so I don't understand what your point is. Being compared to someone, being said to be "just like them", and being put on the same caliber as them, means exactly just that. If YOU say so. Because if he can't...
  6. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Wasn't Roger sick at that point? We don't know. But the fact that Kaido said that he doesn't remember the last time someone was able to go toe to toe with him indicates that there ain't no way he fought Shanks back then. Also, Shanks appeared in Marineford without any injuries. When is "back...
  7. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    They're below the admirals and Yonkos. Except that you're the one who came with the "Roger wasn't going all out" so you're the one who started making headcanons. Ig. Kaido oneshotted Luffy and after 2 weeks of training, Luffy was able to fight him evenly. Roger hit Oden with a haki imbued...
  8. Unforgiven0815

    (GRACE) Zoro fights a God-Tier Swordsman: Part 1

    Since when? Not really. Roger and Whitebeard are the ones who are at the top of the panel.
  9. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Another headcanon. Your question makes no sense.
  10. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    You're the one who puts Shiki above Roger and put Post God Valley Incident Garp above Roger.🤷‍♂️ He literally didn't. Shanks and his crew only stopped Kaido and King. They never fought.
  11. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Nice joke. King is commander level and his daddy Kaido is scared of Oden. Not really. You're the one who started making headcanons. Why wouldn't he? Except he didn't even manage to do that.
  12. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    :geek: You said that Kaido probably forgot about Shiki because he's from way back, but so are Roger and Rocks, yet he put those 3 in his Top 5 alongside Oden, Shanks, and Whitebeard. 🤡 Get to the point.
  13. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    You mean as "canon" as the vivre cards and databooks? Nah, if we go by your logic then it's obviously: Shiki>Garp=Sengoku>Roger. Who are not top tier. No they didn't. Not top tier. Yup, not top tier. Kaido told ACoC, pre Gear 5 Luffy that he doesn't remember the last time someone was able...
  14. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Do a vs match up of it and see how it turns out. Neither of us got proof for this one🤷‍♂️ He literally heard about Oden. He was excited to meet him. When we first see Roger in the flashback, he was eager to meet Oden, then in the next chapter, he gets excited that Oden is coming, and then runs...
  15. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Except she isn't. Oden's presence in Enma was enough to scare her. Kaido considers Big Mom to be pathetic, but fears Oden. Kaido also only knew Roger, Whitebeard, and Rocks from back in the day, yet put them in his Top 5 despite the fact that they are dead. Kaido compared Oden to Roger and...
  16. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Only when you go by the novels. Nah Garp and Sengoku had to team up so that clearly means Shiki>Garp=Sengoku. Kaido was 39 when he fought Oden and then spent the next 20 years with drinking, attempting to suicide, etc. He never fought a single top tier opponent since his fight with Oden, until...
  17. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Basic common sense should tell you that Roger fks someone like King up. Meh. There is no proof that he wasn't trying. It's a named attack. haki imbued, with coc put into it. Roger has never shown an attack stronger than that.
  18. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Not really. Again, Roger>>>>>King, and Prime Oden~Roger. What are you talking about? Kaido build his strength and forces up for 5 years to match Oden. Kaido wasn't rusty at all. No shit. Zoan Kaido got oneshotted by Oden.
  19. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    So? Why would she be in his Top 5 to begin with? Shiki isn't even important enough for Kaido to consider putting him in his list.
  20. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Meh. You heard me right. So Shiki>Garp>Sengoku>Roger? Everything. Look at Old Whitebeard. We don't know that. That's ironic, coming from you.
  21. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    I guess Roger can't beat King either? According to what can King damage Oden? Headcanon. He used a haki imbued, named attack. That's leagues above anything King could pull out.
  22. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    So? Oden isn't Zoro. And? And? Nice joke. Doesn't matter because Roger>>>>>King, and Prime Oden was put on the same pedestal as Roger. Except he didn't. Kaido had to blackmail Oden with hostages for 5 years and a rusty Oden still whooped him. Oden used only one sword. Oden clashed evenly...
  23. Unforgiven0815

    (GRACE) Zoro fights a God-Tier Swordsman: Part 1

    Except that Oden isn't Zoro. You're comparing someone who was put on the same level as Roger, Whitebeard, and Shanks, with Zoro, who got whooped by King. Also, King ain't doing shit to Oden either.
  24. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Lol, then why isn't Garp in Kaido's Top 5? Kaido faced the marines countless of times after all and yet never cared enough to put Garp in his list. Also, didn't Garp and Sengoku have to team up to take Shiki down? Has there been ever a character so far who haki bloomed aside from the Strawhats...
  25. Unforgiven0815

    (GRACE) Zoro fights a God-Tier Swordsman: Part 1

    Oden would slice that shit apart with a toothpick. A Yonko level character would never struggle against one Yonko commander in a 1 vs 1 to the point of being unable to scratch them. If Current Zoro can cut King, then so can the superior swordsman aka Oden.
  26. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    I didn't say why, I stated what his peak was. He was prime age. So Garp>Roger? Magazine 9. Where is the proof that he can get stronger? Shanks became a Yonko a few years ago and is currently at the age where he would be considered to be in his prime. Proof that he isn't? Unless he gets...
  27. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Do you care to elaborate why Oden wouldn't be able to hurt Flame-On King? Also, what does King have that could injure Oden? Because a haki imbued, named attack from Roger only gave Oden minor injuries and Oden returned to Wano many times stronger after his journey.
  28. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    1.Roger and Garp were 39-40 during the God Valley Incident. This was Roger's peak, as he wasn't sick back then. Garp became the Hero of the Marines after he and Roger defeated the Rocks crew. 2.Whitebeard hit his prime 2 years after the God Valley Incident, at the age of 38. 3.Shanks is...
  29. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    ???? How about you read what Sengoku says. He said "38 years ago". The God Valley Incident happend 38 years ago. Kaido was 21 back then, a pirate apprentice under Rocks. Oden fought Kaido 20 years ago, when Kaido was 39, which is the prime age for One Piece characters (Roger and Garp were 39...
  30. Unforgiven0815

    (GRACE) Zoro fights a God-Tier Swordsman: Part 1

    He definitely isn't.
  31. Unforgiven0815

    (GRACE) Zoro fights a God-Tier Swordsman: Part 1

    1.Oden fought Kaido in a 1 vs 1, gave him a massive scar, and nearly killed him. Zoro fought Kaido alongside Luffy, Kid, Killer, Law, Yamato, etc, and his best feat against Kaido is giving him a small scar, where the scar Oden gave Kaido is x20 times bigger and deeper than the scar Zoro gave...
  32. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    When and where was that stated?
  33. Unforgiven0815

    (GRACE) Zoro fights a God-Tier Swordsman: Part 1

    Yes he could lmao. Yamato and Zoro literally look up to Oden and even after Zoro learned how to use acoc, he has a hard time with controlling Enma, something which Oden easily did even as a kid. It's funny how there is more that speaks for Vista beating Mihawk than there is for Zoro beating...
  34. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    That's not how Enma works. We were told that only a strong Swordsman with Ryou can wield it. King is weaker than Kaido. Oden cut the Mountain God so cleanly in half that he sliced its cells and its severed parts could be stitched back together or whatever. I'm pretty sure a acoc slash of his...
  35. Unforgiven0815

    (GRACE) Zoro fights a God-Tier Swordsman: Part 1

    Dear god. I don't even want to go through the absolute delusional discussion that went down here. How the hell could Zoro possibly win this when: 1.Zoro is in awe over how Oden was able to easily wield Enma. 2.Current Zoro can't wield Enma for longer than mere minutes or else it will kill...
  36. Unforgiven0815

    King vs Oden

    Dear god. I don't even want to go through the absolute delusional discussion that went down here. How the hell could King possibly win this when: 1.Zoro, who is in awe over how Oden was able to easily wield Enma, defeated King. 2.King's Captain (Kaido) fears Oden and puts him on the highest...
  37. Unforgiven0815

    One Piece: About Kozuki Oden's Haki (Busoshoku/Ryou and Haoshoku).

    I thought it's advanced Buso? If the pure red one is Hao Infusion, what makes it advanced Buso? The moment where Oden scarred Kaido was the only instance where the lightning was also coming from his blades though. Like. I'm looking at the Togen Totsuka version from the Scabbards and the...
  38. Unforgiven0815

    One Piece: About Kozuki Oden's Haki (Busoshoku/Ryou and Haoshoku).

    So which one is it? Like how many colors do we have? I though red/black lightning is Busoshoku and now red/pinkish lightning is Busoshoku as well? If the redish lightning is advanced Busoshoku and red/black is basic Busoshoku , then what's up with the red/pink-ish Busoshoku?
  39. Unforgiven0815

    One Piece: About Kozuki Oden's Haki (Busoshoku/Ryou and Haoshoku).

    We saw lightning coming from his blades after he used it. It's not my fault that Oda was very lazy with the potryal of the fight. Because Oda cared enough to show it, while Oden vs Kaido lasted like 1 page and we only got that panel to go by. There are panels to go by that aren't half-assed...
  40. Unforgiven0815

    One Piece: About Kozuki Oden's Haki (Busoshoku/Ryou and Haoshoku).

    Except that we didn't see Oden's swords right before he scarred Kaido so we have to by the panel where he scarred Kaido, where Haoshoku Haki is coming from his blades. Not really, there is a gap between Luffy's fist and the lightning, which proves my point. The panels I showed was simply there...
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