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  1. Icyhawk43

    Teen Goku Speed Upgrade

    I know they aren't linear, they're exponential. So using them in a linear format would be lowballing it. We wouldn't have Mountain level Farmer because he's at the bottom, nothing to scale it like this. We can get Start of Series Goku being x2 as strong as the farmer. Or King Piccolo to be 52x...
  2. Icyhawk43

    Teen Goku Speed Upgrade

    Vegeta states that with a power level increase also comes a speed increase. Meaning Power Levels are a boost of both AP and Speed. And since Power Levels were put in the Orginal Dragonball we can scale things off them. 22nd Budokai Goku has a Power Level of 180. King Piccolo has a Power Level...
  3. Icyhawk43

    Teen Goku Speed Upgrade

    bump.
  4. Icyhawk43

    Teen Goku Speed Upgrade

    bump.
  5. Icyhawk43

    Teen Goku Speed Upgrade

    Currently, Goku is listed as Hypersonic+ for defeating Tao Pai Pai, who was Mach 21. He defeated Tao Pai Pai back in the Red Ribbin Arc, however he is still listed as Hypersonic+ even though he boosted his power to King Piccolo's level, and then trained with Kami and Popo for three years. but...
  6. Icyhawk43

    Jojo Speed Revision

    The entire D'Arby bluff was "He couldn't possibly be fast enough to switch all those cards without be noticing!" and Jotaro making him think he can by getting a cigarette and a drink. I am certainly not taking that out of context. A FTL+ character should not be able to casually block a MFTL...
  7. Icyhawk43

    Jojo Speed Revision

    D'Arby proves it to be inconsistent. A bullet speed power wouldn't be able to do that, but a MFTL+ power should be able to do it without trying. Tower of Grey too. He explains his speed to be able to dodge 10 point blank bullets, and SP can't even touch him.
  8. Icyhawk43

    Jojo Speed Revision

    Yes, but that is the only thing that puts them at that level of speed. Would that not be an outlier?
  9. Icyhawk43

    Jojo Speed Revision

    Are MFTL+ stands not outliers? Star Platinum portrayed as faster than a bullet. Stand much faster than Star Platinum portrayed as much much faster than a bullet. Silver Chariot being faster than the human eye can see. Star Platinum said to be unable to swap 5 cards for a select 5 cards he...
  10. Icyhawk43

    Beerus vs Sans

    Seconds are a long time for someone that's MFTL. Prove to me that the amount you sin = the speed it ticks away. It only seems to apply to the amount of damage it will start to take off. If you sinned more, the bar will just fill faster, and tick away all the same. Beerus will have some amount...
  11. Icyhawk43

    Beerus vs Sans

    It doesn't matter how many times he gets hit. When he gets hit by KR, it will start to tick down. He will not drop dead on the spot. As soon as Beerus realizes he's slowly dying, Sans is a pile of dust.
  12. Icyhawk43

    Sans vs Mewtwo

    Even if Sans hits first, KR doesn't kil Mewtwo instantaneously, as I've said. Which gives Mewtwo all the time he needs to nuke.
  13. Icyhawk43

    Sans vs Mewtwo

    A Multiversal being that slaughtered dozens more people, and was generally seen as more evil. Which is why the KR had that much of an effect on them. It would be toned down here, plus it doesn't kill instantaneously either way. Mewtwo can still teleport up close and nuke his whole career, while...
  14. Icyhawk43

    Sans vs Mewtwo

    Oh yeah, teleporting. Well, do you think their teleportation would cancel each other out? Like if Sans teleports away, Mewtwo teleports up close and attacks?
  15. Icyhawk43

    Sans vs Mewtwo

    Implying Mewtwo is just going to stand in the Gasterblaster. He gets clipped, takes some KR, and nukes Sans before it kills him.
  16. Icyhawk43

    Sans vs Mewtwo

    Mewtwo kills with large scale AOE. Even if KR hits, It wouldn't kill fast enough to stop Mewtwo from nuking him.
  17. Icyhawk43

    Speed Upgrade for Esdese/Akame

    I'd call that an outlier imo.
  18. Icyhawk43

    Beerus vs Sans

    Doesn't matter anymore. KR can't kill in one hit, which is all Sans has.
  19. Icyhawk43

    Beerus vs Sans

    Either Beerus effortlessly dodges all of Sans attacks, or he tanks one and realizes he needs the end the fight quickly. It's not like Sans can actually restrain Beerus. It's all riding on tanking it. And KR doesn't even immediately kill. It adds a poison that ticks away your health. You can't...
  20. Icyhawk43

    Sonic (Game) speed upgrade

    Disagree with the changes. Consistently FTL+ to Immeasurable just this once seems like a huge outlier.
  21. Icyhawk43

    Beerus vs Sans

    I, personally, don't believe a single hit from KR will kill Beerus. Beerus might tank the first one, but as soon as he even feels the slightest tingle of pain, he backs off. That one frame of damage, is unlikely to just flat out make Beerus drop dead. The only reason Sans was even bit of...
  22. Icyhawk43

    Boa Hancock vs Tornado of Terror

    Both at their strongest. Winner via K.O. Who would win?
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  23. Icyhawk43

    Hit should be updated to scale with Goku plus there is still some outdated things on the wiki

    I agree.
  24. Icyhawk43

    SSB w/ 10x Kaioken

    So with this 10x Multiplier, what do you believe his new stats would be?
  25. Icyhawk43

    SSB w/ 10x Kaioken

    A 10x multiplier on the previous SSB Goku from the latest episode. Stat upgrades?
  26. Icyhawk43

    Madoka Multiverse Question

    Can I please see the scan that proves that her Multiverse was an infinite amount of universes? I can't find it anywhere :v Thanks in advance.
  27. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher (at his implied strongest) vs Goddess Madoka (at implied strongest)

    He dropped. Yeah, you know what. I might have to vote for Madoka here.
  28. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher Revisions

    I agree with all changes made. Thank you.
  29. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher Revisions

    Guys. the Multiversal Rip does not matter for Bill's AP. He did not make the Rip. He can NOT make Rips like that.
  30. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher Revisions

    @BillCipher 1: No. You are wrong. I have shown you why twice now. 3: No. Even so, he lied about Knowing Everything. 4: Yeah, it got a physical form upgrade. The same thing Bill got. 5: I see... Universal Feat confirmed. If he made his dimension decay like he says.
  31. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher Revisions

    @Nibbler 1: He is 100% way higher than Multi-City. I just have not seen anything that puts him at Multiversal. I accept the Universal one now. 2: Huh? He can't make rips like that by himself. 3: Time Stop =/= Infinite Speeds. He has proven MFTL Travel though. 4: He has no other feats in those...
  32. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher Revisions

    1: Yeah, but his power had nothing to do with opening the rip. He broke the Rift and it made the rip for him. 2: Plot Indused Stupidity : Make a character do/not be able to do something really weak just so the plot moves. 3: What about Infinite Power? Knows Everything? nah this guy...
  33. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher Revisions

    1: He did not make the Rip that could destroy the Multiverse. The Rift did, Bill cannot make rips like that by himself (Proof: He didn't.) therefore he is not Multiversal. 2: It's PIS anyway now that I think about it. 3: The word of a character that exaggerates? Yeah I'm not taking that. 4...
  34. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher Revisions

    Ah yes, thanks. I agree.
  35. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher Revisions

    When did that MFTL+ feat happen?
  36. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher Revisions

    But his physical form is made with his powers, so shouldn't it be around as durable? Not as durable but at least in the same ballpark. Yes, but if he had control over time, shouldn't he just be able to, and not have to use Time Wishes?
  37. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher Revisions

    Matters for Durability. He was harmed by these punches that are not affected by the barrier. Therefore his Physical Form must not have very good durability. (It's better than assuming he has Multiversal.) Hax Power =/= Durability. It is possible he is a glass cannon. In Blendin's Game, he...
  38. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher Revisions

    And it does matter. Because it means that the barrier did not affect the punches and it hurt Bill. How is it PIS if he has never shown anything higher and we just assume his powers? Time Baby could have taken a 3D form. He also is featless and we assume he is 4D. And Time Baby only controls...
  39. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher Revisions

    The Mech was normal attack-wise. Why do I have to say this again? Here is the attack leaving the barrier Here is Bill attacking the arm since it leaves the barrier if it goes too far out. And it is clear he did not "kill" time. As I said, it would not have come back if it was destroyed and he...
  40. Icyhawk43

    Bill Cipher Revisions

    Nope. All his weirdness left but all the buildings and such stayed broken. And again, The Mech only had defensive countering on Bill.
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