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  1. Northern_Wind00

    Regarding Asriel Dreemurr...

    Once again, that's just poetic. As I said, the way I've seen it consistantly interpretted is as Asriel being exactly as I stated. One with everything beyond reality. Such that nothing exists outside. --Once again, I'm no longer arguing here. Just speaking from personal experience within the...
  2. Northern_Wind00

    Regarding Asriel Dreemurr...

    ...I dunno what fan community's you've been a part of for undertale but the vast majority of everyone I've ever spoken to on the subject would argue that Asriel during the fight with him /is/ everything. The community common consensus about the subject appears to be summed up in the line...
  3. Northern_Wind00

    Regarding Asriel Dreemurr...

    ...Symbolism is enough for a lot of other characters. Not that that's all that I presented. I presented theming, general usage, an argument based on powerscaling, an argument based on visual design and composition (literally what it reads as what is happening), an argument based on the changing...
  4. Northern_Wind00

    Regarding Asriel Dreemurr...

    As for my understanding of those rainbows being used to represent the layer of reality with which Frisk can interact -- the answer is simple. SAVE. When they finally gain an action again, it's with those same Rainbows used to highlight the effect. Undertale is a game that makes meaningful use of...
  5. Northern_Wind00

    Regarding Asriel Dreemurr...

    @Saikou The Lewd King http://nosimpleway.brontoforum.us/letsplay/ut/lput1033.png They go from external To internal And the rainbows that were external before disappear from the background. And suddenly his projectiles are all made of far more intensely colored rainbows. and his final...
  6. Northern_Wind00

    Regarding Asriel Dreemurr...

    That's debatable. Chara demands the SOUL, which is, as far as the game is concerned... a property of Frisk, not the player. Frisk is still, therefore, in control -- insomuch as they can be.
  7. Northern_Wind00

    Regarding Asriel Dreemurr...

    As always, you guys have the final say. It's not nonsensical though, at least in my opinion. Especially considering that the removal of those rainbows renders Frisk into a state that Chara did not even upon destroying all possibilities of Undertale's game. Frisk could do more than struggle in...
  8. Northern_Wind00

    Regarding Asriel Dreemurr...

    Would you care to explain how something can exist to a degree that it is completely unaffected by the removal of space and time and not be existing in a state that is beyond them? At the very least the absorbtion of the background behind space and time reads as a distinct and obvious visual...
  9. Northern_Wind00

    Regarding Asriel Dreemurr...

    According to the way that Hyper Goner has been explained as far as I can tell on this wiki, the shapes it pulls in are timelines and the burst of light at the end collapsing is the absorption of all of them. This appears to have held up in several threads that I've seen. If you'd like to...
  10. Northern_Wind00

    Regarding Asriel Dreemurr...

    That fancy background is incorperated into the design of the god of hyperdeath form one for one in the wings. If they didn't DIRECTLY become a part of the character after surviving the end of all of time and space -- they wouldn't matter.
  11. Northern_Wind00

    Regarding Asriel Dreemurr...

    Example?
  12. Northern_Wind00

    Regarding Asriel Dreemurr...

    I have questions about where Asriel's power level has landed on this wiki as well. Also -- he is fundamentally manipulating the rainbow background (which he absorbs into himself, becoming his wings) that existed even after he had purged all timelines from existance. That alone shows complete...
  13. Northern_Wind00

    Ganondorf (High 4-C) vs Bowser (High 4-C)

    The triforce, a mystical power source created by three goddesses capable of granting the posessor a wish undid all of Ganon's magic and destruction in a single wish in A Link to the Past. True, this was after Ganon was already defeated, but it literally undid all of the effects of Ganon's magic...
  14. Northern_Wind00

    Piece!Beatrice vs Sans

    I've been in a couple of other threads as well. *shrugs*
  15. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Yuki Nagato

    From calculations off the Knight Knight's sunlight based attack in Undertale, done assuming Frisk's soul is the size of his body, at around 1.524 meters, which is actually larger than is shown in game (This number should be considered lowballing, for the purpose of calculation). We calculate the...
  16. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Yuki Nagato

    "How is the damage of karmic retribution quantified? As in how much damage would it cause, over a time t, to an opponent that has killed x people" Depending on if you factor my timescale calculations, sans may or may not have enough power to completely annihilate the combined essence of a...
  17. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Yuki Nagato

    Hmm... I'd need to know more about how her Data manipulation works to weigh in on this. I have a really good understanding of the limits of sans, however. I would question her ability to interface with her future self if she's about to die though. That's kinda questionable :P
  18. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    Beyond sound is still not Rel+
  19. Northern_Wind00

    Asriel Dreemurr vs Prime Bolas

    Could you please specify Oldwalker Bolas there?
  20. Northern_Wind00

    Asriel Dreemurr vs Prime Bolas

    I'm not referring to the meditation plane with Tetsuo. I'm referring to the place he retreated to during the madaran rift. Bolas said that he created a place where to go in case of the Multiverse collapses. He left there after closing the Madaran rift. This place thus must have been outside the...
  21. Northern_Wind00

    Sans (Undertale) VS Homura (Devil Form)

    Either we assume linear extrapolation of stats or we do not. Human HP =/= Monster HP, as is clearly the case from how easily a human can shred Asgore at LV 1 while tanking a lot of his damage.
  22. Northern_Wind00

    Asriel Dreemurr vs Prime Bolas

    I do not think so, as Bolas' planeswalker powers dissolve without mana. Destoying all the sources of mana, including that gem (which it would, since Bolas is reduced to a spiritual entity outside of the multiverse, which is essentially Asriel's domain), is enough to completely cut him off from...
  23. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    Yes, but he didn't GAIN those equations at faster than hypersonic speed. THAT is the point.
  24. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    No, what I'm saying is, sure, if accelerator HAD that many equations already in his head, he could solve them, but there's no reason to assume he can process that many equations INTO his head from sensory input that fast. "he would have to perceive somewhere in the magnitude of 10^100^100 or so...
  25. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    You seriously don't get the simple point that Calc Speed does not have any bearing on reaction speed? Really? And you're calling ME biased after attempting several NLFs in your favor? I'm sorry, but there's something wrong with that. I'm not convinced because the reaction feats of his don't...
  26. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    On the contrary, I do believe the word of the author that he can calc that fast. I just don't see it in his reactions, meaning his reaction speed IS only MHS. Just because he CAN calc that much that fast doesn't mean he's capable of percieving enough to get to that point instantly.
  27. Northern_Wind00

    Asriel Dreemurr vs Prime Bolas

    True enough. This could be closer than I thought, though to be fair, splitting Bolas into a spiritual entity (as he is when he is existing outside of the multiverse), gives Asriel an advantage nonetheless. I'm sticking with my vote, however, if only because Asriel wouldn't TOY with Bolas like he...
  28. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    Word of God is a colloquial term for when a series creator states that something is fact, even though it's not shown through the character's actions directly or would not be measurable under normal circumstances. The fact of the matter is, they stated that that's how fast he can calculate, but...
  29. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    Actually no, that's a false equivelancy. It's stated that's how fast he can calculate by word of god, but nowhere is it stated that that's how fast he can percieve.
  30. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    Isn't that exactly what I just said? Or are you arguing that his reaction speed should be raised as the result of his calc speed? Or... what?
  31. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    Exactly. Sans outreacts him, therefore his calc speed is irrelevant.
  32. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    His calc speed doesn't matter if he can't react fast enough to put it into effectual action from when they hit GO.
  33. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    Sans obliterates Frisk in, at the very most, 2.2 seconds. If my timescale is taken into account, it's WAY shorter than that, something in the 1/200,000,000ths of a second range, with his attacks. "We've never seen angel accelerator in a serious fight though," This would be the crux of the...
  34. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    That's assuming he can manipulate a vector well beyond the speed of Frisk's attacks, but it's also important that sans has the higher /reaction/ speed here. Reaction speed gets the first attack off, even if Accel can calc his attack, he can't perform it faster than Sans can obliterate him...
  35. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    "Massively Hypersonic reactions/close combat speed" Calc speed =/= Reaction Speed.
  36. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    And yet, by feats, he's only clocked in at MHS+, and passively reflecting light. he's never calced anything anywhere near as fast as sans beams.
  37. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    I'm not exactly sure he would have a reaction speed advantage, due to the timeframe calc, but I'll agree to the latter. I do think Sans would get the first strike, however.
  38. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    Ahhh, okay, this makes more sense. didn't realize you hadn't played the game. Alright here, I'll provide some relevant links and explain the speed of light calc, the speed of the beam calc, and exactly how crazy this is. At this point in this video you will see a battle with a foe called Knight...
  39. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    Unfortunately, assuming his calc speed is infinite is NLF, so it can't be accepted. It's tied to his calc speed by a feat, ergo it is necessarily tied to the fastest thing he's known to have calced. Feats > Everything. The beam is far beyond double the speed of light due to light travelling...
  40. Northern_Wind00

    Sans vs Accelerator

    Aura, you can't just say that things that are shown to be faster than light are not faster than light. That's just how things work. I explained how it's instantaneous to beings that percieve light to be slower than instantaneous, ergo it absolutely MUST be faster than light. There's no getting...
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