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Deceived and LGS are one of the most frequent bleach supporters in vs threads and they've never once claimed RC is solely soul manip so idk who "statement" you got that from...
Then why do you keep assuming how Reiatsu Crush works and ignoring when two separate users explain it to you?
Or better yet, why make a match about a character you know nothing about?
Also to say Reiatsu Crush is just soul manipulation is fundamentally not correct at all.
The very reason why Aizen has mid-godly is very proof of this...
Funny thing is, for god tier characters in bleach they actually have to make a conscious effort not to constantly crush people around them with RC the moment they step in to their sphere of influence.
I don't see how Yhwach's passives like reiatsu crush and almighty will be trumped by Shiki.
Is mystic eyes passive? The profile says it takes no exertion but is it something that she has to will for it to cut?
Kaguya has wincons since some of her techniques can turn Pernida into dush/ash which is above Pernida's regen level, but I don't see her being able to pull it off considering Pernida's first move of turning her into a meatball stops her from using ash bone or TSB. Plus Pernida has cloning and...
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I'm not even gonna bother asking what people think of other proposals for Gerard and SK in this thread if fricking power null for matured bankai toshiro is a contentious topic already LMAOO
But what i'm trying to point out here is that we have no solid correlation between the explanation of how hoffnung works and matter not functioning when frozen.
This is setting aside the fact that Hoffnung clearly isn't functioning the way normal matter works (It's reishi and not kishi, which...
Tabaluga is a classic but I wouldn't say I grew up with it well enough to consider it one of my favorite cartoons.
Maya and the Bee idk i didn't grow up with that.
Why interpret it like this rather than just interpreting it as Power Null via Ice Manipulation?
And Toshiro's explanation on how it works when applied to how Gerard explains hoffnung wouldn't really.....clash with each other if anything.
Nothing points towards the hoffnung not working when...
He still needs to drag them. These two cases of him using it on Diego required him to use physical force.
Implying that just contact is required to dimension hop others goes against how dimension hopping works (being between two things). And you can't compare him dragging diego to him...
Yeah and that's the case I originally wanted to bring up.
Diego was relative to Valentine and D4C, physically (tier 8). But Ichibei is High 6-A and the gap between the two in physicals is astronomical.
It's nigh-impossible for Valentine to pull Ichibei between two things here.
I mean, this is just a staple of Bleach and Shonen in general. If not superpowered fiction as a whole.
An effect of an ability not correlating to how it is done is just a hallmark of supernatural themes.
Idk why we're getting nitpicky on toshiro's case here.
I can easily just counter this...
I don't think you can compare clones of Valentine coming to the main universe to him pulling versions of his opponents to the main universe
The clones are cooperative in this regard, Ichibei is not.
Also this is ignoring the fundamentals of how valentine travels to alternate universes.
Even...
At the very least, it's not likely that just contact is required to do it. We know valentine also has to have them between two things to travel to the main universe and that requires a certain amount of force to do.
The best he can do here is what he does in Eyes of Heaven where he uses the...
I mean if i'm not mistaken, yeah?
Physically valentine and D4C is like tier 8-C, the gap between that and High 6-A is massive.
It'll be like a kid pulling a boulder with his bare hands.
Or maybe we just don't consider this in Valentine matches?
Yeah but like for him to cause a paradox, he needs to grab this other universe version of his opponent to whatever he is squeezed between and make them meet each other?
Doesn't Valentine's hax require him to physically externally move Ichibei to paradox him? How is he gonna do that given the massive AP gap? Not to mention that Valentine is still hampered by passive spiritual pressure which will make things harder for him to move, cause his stamina to drain...
If they are gonna be restricted for a while, Just Yhwach (And by extension the Soul King) should be sufficient.
None of the other characters get threads made for them as much as Yhwach.
As a supporter of the verse who frequents vs threads of Bleach, I agree.
None of the vs threads regarding bleach have been concluded at all. It either gets closed due to obvious stomp in favor of one over the other or it gets closed due to things getting heated.
We also have a sudden influx of...
Yeah dude, totally.
Tbh this is the fun part of vsb bleach lmao it's not like one of those boring matches where everyone unanimously agrees on something.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/mustache-man-vs-tooru.132408/page-2#post-4552173
Thread is getting increasingly toxic for some reason.
User with around 200 edits started going condescending and obnoxious.
And chariot at all didn't do a good job explaining how the limitations that vsb put on AE is something that doesn't apply to WoU.
Vsb has restrictions on the scale of embodiment that Abstact beings are able to embody and until further notice from feats and statements in the series, it is...