This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
I had thought about that but kinda goes against the courage message, to depend on some convenient conceptual power like that, also the video game like hax became a bit boring near the end of the arc.
Instead, he might just be resistant to Allmighty because he is similar to the soul king being a...
The old king can't be compared because of his state before being sealed.
That's only 90% as dumb, but still dumb.
He tripped him because Gerard is partially frozen which is why Byakuya could harm him, and why his helmet broke from just trippin, the dude is half popsicle.
A zanpakuto can...
Why would you assume nameless Ikko is the same as past Ikko when the thing grows in power trough the novel as does Hikone?
Also again there's no evidence or reason for Zaraki to become exponentially stronger between TWBW and CFYOW, or to think Ichibei would lose when the reason the 0 squad...
Would be arbitrary without all the statements and feats that give the context. Again is not hard to connect the dots.
Weakens over time because of the statements that nothing last forever in bleach including kido and because of Ywach's example, any evidence of the oposite?
Any evidence...
-I didn't ignore that, that's the very reason the argument is about pure swordfigting, that both her and Zaraki are weaker than others overall but still recognized as the strongest in melee.
You don't seem to understand my point at all.
-Can never be prime Ikko because he didn't recover his...
-The title exist for her in the first place, and Zaraki is only the true worthy Kenpachi because he killed her, as he told Issane. Unohana herself said she was the strongest at that point, that she was bored because nobody was stronger, even when Yamamoto exised, she learned to use kaido just to...
I don't really care, just pointing out he didn't eclipse Ichibei because I had already tiped that.
Ichibei can beat him, the enumeration of names isn't taxative and the royal guard isn't mentioned because they excluded themselves from the fight.
Even back then when Ikko was at full power he...
-No, he is recognized because he defeated Unohana, the source and previous owner of the title, Yamamoto being alive would be irrelevant, also no he doesn't eclipse Ichibei in CFYOW, no idea where you got that.
-He didn't have any power up after Unohana, at least none that isn't negligible...
That's a different thing, she is recognized for her strength in a military organization made of the strongest fighters and killers of her world, including Yamamoto himself, Kenpachi is only recognized because he defeated her.
No he doesn't anymore, all his zenkais where is releasing more of...
But Zaraki was never the true Kenpachi until he defeated her, she is also the very source of the title, doesn't make sense for her to not be worthy of a title made to recognize her abilities.
Can't be the strongest period because Yama with RJ, but besides him she is definitely the strongest...
I don't see why anyone would think Aizen is stronger than Yamamoto when he went out of his way to not fight him in base tbf
Also Yamamoto could fight two senior captains at once without a hogyoku.
And is basically stated stronger reiatsu in CFYOW.
Not true, Base Yama has far and away better feats and the tacit acknowledgement of Aizen being weaker, the only way to argue for Aizen is with KS.
-Blitzing Royd
-Containing RJ focused power
-Punching WW into dust with hakuda
Compared to Unohana, she is stronger than Yama except for RJ fire...
I did so in my first post, you had since pretended you don't understand the sentence.
His feats prove his hierro is useless since nobody has any problem cutting him and the novel states giant Hollows just aren't that durable.
Canon novel and the manga have more validity than an old databook...
There's the fact the quakes are stronger the closer to the palace, see LW having a long but mild eartquake while SS has giant ravines and the Seireitei crumbling.
About the Sena feat, I would like more evidence that there's an actual star.
No, the narrator isn't repeating Ikomikidomoe's statement, and it does clarifies that is talking about Barragan when Grimmjow was a Espada.
Yet the canon continuation adds context to giant Hollows not being as resilient, and Yammy himself has pretty underwhelming durability feats.
The text I quoted is from the narrator, and there's no way for the Barragan that Ikomikidomoe talks about to be stronger since it had consumed less Hollows and was not an Arrancar yet.
The novel explains giant Hollows have less reiatsu density than human sized Vasto Lorde.
It does, is right there in the scan clear as day
Grimmjow now would fight Barragan or Aizen even knowing he would lose.
He barely scratched Yammy which is hardly grounds to scale, since giant Hollows have lower reiatsu density than human sized Vasto Lorde. On the other hand Zaraki was the...
I don't see your point, nobody ever senses Ichigo in FGT mode, not even Aizen.
Hikone can be sensed, Aizen can't, meaning you can't scale Hikone to Aizen.
None of those post adress the narrator statement about how current Grimmjow would have fought the Barragan in their time as Espada despite still being weaker, nor is there any base for a Hollow being stronger just because he is younger.
And Byakuya doesn't scale to Yammy so there's no circular...
No, that has to be FKT Espada Barragan, given the context of being refering to the Barragan that Grimmjaw and Harribel knew.
The idea of prime young Barragan is not imposible, but there's nothing to support that interpretation given all we know about Hollows and Arrancars implies he was...
There's no need to scale Tokinada to the attack, the incoherence is him doing anything at all to said attack.
Context is knowing the relative levels of each character, to claim Ginjo went from mid tier to stronger than the god tiers needs at least unequivocal evidence.
That's circular logic...
This makes it clear FKT Barragan was stronger than Gimmjow in the novel
Age is irrelevant to Hollows and lack of training is as well, they simply become stronger trough eating more and they don't lose that strength.
On the other hand, becoming Arrancar makes them surpass their old powers...
With basically just an energy slash.
It should given it's still an attack from an absurdly weaker character, without exaggerating if that Getsuga was the same as the one that killed Ywach it would be the same as chapter 1 Ichigo deflecting Aizen's fragor.
Also, that supposed power up was only...
Not true, by sensing his reiatsu, with his power level at below giant Gerard level, people instinctively knew he had the potential to be like the SK.
In the condition that he developes his power and becomes king.
Said attack was slightly deflected by Tokinada, the novel never says which...
Anyway, does anyone have any valid reason for the timeframes assumed in the calc to be valid, knowing that Hisagi had enough time to Shunpo to Aura and the time distortion thing is purely subjective from the point of view of the surprised alliance members?
No, Hisagi reacting to Tokinada's...
You straight up gave a justification for the calc, I refuted those claim and you are now asking for the mods to come and stop the debate.
You want to see "It's this way because I said so!"?
Nobody has given a valid counter argument, you yourself keep trying to dodge the fact there's no way to get a timeframe do to Hisagi's actions and your misinterpretation about special relativity.
So no, the feat is useless.
Your explanation is wortless given context of them seeing Hikone, there's no real equivalence to the shooting someone example, period.
I'm not the one using wrong definitios to try an justify my point.